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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.06 16:34:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 06/11/2008 16:34:50
Edited by: Gumpy Nighthawk on 06/11/2008 16:34:33
Originally by: Darth Syphils
Edited by: Darth Syphils on 05/11/2008 21:50:34
Originally by: Fred0
...
Quote:
Because you have to whine to CCP like the NC alts whine on CAOD.




Says the GBC alt Rolling Eyes

halp me
Minmatar
THE INTERNET.
Posted - 2008.11.06 19:46:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Llondon Hilton
Originally by: Nooto
failhydra. go defend ur space oh wai.... Twisted Evil


The NC stoops to new lows every day when I see this sort of thing.

Did Hydra have the same help from you MM is getting? Did Hydra have Goons, TCF and PL helping them?

Bottom line is not all Northern Coalition were ever created equal, "friends" as it's spun now is a joke. What is truly left of the NC? How would Razor and MM fare if left alone to defend their own space without help from the south?

There are too many similar comments like this to even buy disclaimers from the rare diplomat stepping in to say "these are not our views".


I may not be NC but even I could tell from a mile away hydra was a pet.... trying to spin otherwise ia desperate and poorly thought out attempt at a semi intelligent troll

you sir are fail

Cheffffffe
Gallente
Anti Behemoth Shipyards
Posted - 2008.11.07 01:05:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Llondon Hilton
Originally by: Nooto
failhydra. go defend ur space oh wai.... Twisted Evil


The NC stoops to new lows every day when I see this sort of thing.

Did Hydra have the same help from you MM is getting? Did Hydra have Goons, TCF and PL helping them?

Bottom line is not all Northern Coalition were ever created equal, "friends" as it's spun now is a joke. What is truly left of the NC? How would Razor and MM fare if left alone to defend their own space without help from the south?

There are too many similar comments like this to even buy disclaimers from the rare diplomat stepping in to say "these are not our views".


So what would BoB have achieved in the north without:

X13 Alliance
Interdiction
Blade.
Skunk-Works
BeachBoys
HUN Reloaded
R.U.R.
Pupule 'Ohana
Frontal Impact
The Five
Southern Cross Alliance
Axiom Empire
Executive Outcomes
G00DFELLAS
The Church
Warped Mining
Confederation of Independent Corporations
T e r c i o s
DeaDSpace Coalition
andwhateverothernapallianceicantrember ?

BoB alone would have done nothing at all in Tribute and the only reason they are still in the north is the throw-in of even more pets. pets. pets.

FubarSF
Caldari
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2008.11.07 01:14:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Cheffffffe
Originally by: Llondon Hilton
Originally by: Nooto
failhydra. go defend ur space oh wai.... Twisted Evil


The NC stoops to new lows every day when I see this sort of thing.

Did Hydra have the same help from you MM is getting? Did Hydra have Goons, TCF and PL helping them?

Bottom line is not all Northern Coalition were ever created equal, "friends" as it's spun now is a joke. What is truly left of the NC? How would Razor and MM fare if left alone to defend their own space without help from the south?

There are too many similar comments like this to even buy disclaimers from the rare diplomat stepping in to say "these are not our views".


So what would BoB have achieved in the north without:

X13 Alliance
Interdiction
Blade.
Skunk-Works
BeachBoys
HUN Reloaded
R.U.R.
Pupule 'Ohana
Frontal Impact
The Five
Southern Cross Alliance
Axiom Empire
Executive Outcomes
G00DFELLAS
The Church
Warped Mining
Confederation of Independent Corporations
T e r c i o s
DeaDSpace Coalition
andwhateverothernapallianceicantrember ?

BoB alone would have done nothing at all in Tribute and the only reason they are still in the north is the throw-in of even more pets. pets. pets.


You don't get MAX, do you ? Wink

Vaustrien
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.11.07 01:31:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Cheffffffe
Originally by: Llondon Hilton
Originally by: Nooto
failhydra. go defend ur space oh wai.... Twisted Evil


The NC stoops to new lows every day when I see this sort of thing.

Did Hydra have the same help from you MM is getting? Did Hydra have Goons, TCF and PL helping them?

Bottom line is not all Northern Coalition were ever created equal, "friends" as it's spun now is a joke. What is truly left of the NC? How would Razor and MM fare if left alone to defend their own space without help from the south?

There are too many similar comments like this to even buy disclaimers from the rare diplomat stepping in to say "these are not our views".


So what would BoB have achieved in the north without:

X13 Alliance
Interdiction
Blade.
Skunk-Works
BeachBoys
HUN Reloaded
R.U.R.
Pupule 'Ohana
Frontal Impact
The Five
Southern Cross Alliance
Axiom Empire
Executive Outcomes
G00DFELLAS
The Church
Warped Mining
Confederation of Independent Corporations
T e r c i o s
DeaDSpace Coalition
andwhateverothernapallianceicantrember ?

BoB alone would have done nothing at all in Tribute and the only reason they are still in the north is the throw-in of even more pets. pets. pets.


Not to mention that BOB itself absorbed a ton of people from its failed pets.

Dathremar
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2008.11.07 01:31:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Cheffffffe
Originally by: Llondon Hilton
Originally by: Nooto
failhydra. go defend ur space oh wai.... Twisted Evil


The NC stoops to new lows every day when I see this sort of thing.

Did Hydra have the same help from you MM is getting? Did Hydra have Goons, TCF and PL helping them?

Bottom line is not all Northern Coalition were ever created equal, "friends" as it's spun now is a joke. What is truly left of the NC? How would Razor and MM fare if left alone to defend their own space without help from the south?

There are too many similar comments like this to even buy disclaimers from the rare diplomat stepping in to say "these are not our views".


So what would BoB have achieved in the north without:

X13 Alliance
Interdiction
Blade.
Skunk-Works
BeachBoys
HUN Reloaded
R.U.R.
Pupule 'Ohana
Frontal Impact
The Five
Southern Cross Alliance
Axiom Empire
Executive Outcomes
G00DFELLAS
The Church
Warped Mining
Confederation of Independent Corporations
T e r c i o s
DeaDSpace Coalition
andwhateverothernapallianceicantrember ?

BoB alone would have done nothing at all in Tribute and the only reason they are still in the north is the throw-in of even more pets. pets. pets.


I'm probably going to get chewed out for posting but I feel it needs to be said.

I love these posts because of how completely wrong they are. I don't want to come off sounding like these groups haven't done anything to help. Most of us have put in our time and effort into this campaign. Exe and Axe have really poured a lot of resources into it and should be commended for it.

However, to somehow say that BoB is using massive amounts of outside help to achieve its goals is just plain wrong. Have you looked at any killmails? Do your spies not keep tally on how many are in fleets? Who do you think is doing the most work out of us all. BoB for major fleet fights are always outnumbering their "pets". They are doing it all and could probably do the whole campaign on their own. They don't necessarily need us, but us smaller alliances sure need BoB.

To even compare BoB's nap list to the Norths is just plain nuts. I feel it almost a complement that you consider us to be the same strength as, TCF, PL, Razor and the various other pets that you guys have. Right now the fight is between 1 super power and it's smaller allies vs 3 to 4 powers and their smaller allies. Not to mention that nearly half of that list is wrong or the alliances are so small that they can only bring a few members at a time.

Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.11.07 02:09:00 - [97]
 

The simple fact that neither side completely outnumbers the other makes it clear that both NAPlists are pretty similar.

Whether you've got 5 alliances of 1000 or 2 of 2500 NAP'd up, the end result is the same amount of NAPpage.

Even more to the point, at the end of the day its all about how many each side can effectively put in the field. The advantage to being able to do it with a smaller number of distinct groups is better C&C. BoB usually benefits there, while the NC has to struggle with larger coordination.

Both sides are wasting bandwidth complaining about it. Shoot people.

KOTH Fluf
Caldari
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.11.07 07:15:00 - [98]
 

You dont need spies to find the numbers. Just go to the Northern Coalition killboard to the battles section and each battle shows the alliance and corp numbers. RAWRS killboard has those features too.

Its Tribute and Morsus Mihi who are under attack, and they are consistanly fielding the largest numbers. As far as C&C Mistress, I would have to disagree with you that BOB has the advantage there as if you look at the battle reports from say, Monday this week in E-0, the NC had fewer entities and have had better coordination in the last several weeks. TCF/KIA coming over to help on major ops when they can is the only C&C problems, and to be honest they are very few. BOB had to get Goodfellas into help this week, as their numbers have been dropping for the last few weeks from the 650 support they brought in for the beginning of Max in July.

Too bad its not just BOB vs Morsus Mihi. Now that would be fight.


Helen
Amarr
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.11.07 07:44:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: KOTH Fluf
You dont need spies to find the numbers. Just go to the Northern Coalition killboard to the battles section and each battle shows the alliance and corp numbers. RAWRS killboard has those features too.

Its Tribute and Morsus Mihi who are under attack, and they are consistanly fielding the largest numbers. As far as C&C Mistress, I would have to disagree with you that BOB has the advantage there as if you look at the battle reports from say, Monday this week in E-0, the NC had fewer entities and have had better coordination in the last several weeks. TCF/KIA coming over to help on major ops when they can is the only C&C problems, and to be honest they are very few. BOB had to get Goodfellas into help this week, as their numbers have been dropping for the last few weeks from the 650 support they brought in for the beginning of Max in July.

Too bad its not just BOB vs Morsus Mihi. Now that would be fight.




So mistress was right then about C&C that with a smaller number of distinct alliances you have better results, if what your saying is true fluf then your amount of alliances dropping has increased your effectiveness going by what your saying.

Zeveron
Caldari
Exiled Gathering
HELL4S
Posted - 2008.11.07 07:51:00 - [100]
 

Quote:
Too bad its not just BOB vs Morsus Mihi. Now that would be fight.



Your past prooved the oposite.
Insteed to go 1 vs 1 you napped every north entity + drone regions to kill TRI and Insurgency.

Let say BoB wasnt there.
The hole NC blob + KIA + TCF would have attack TRI and GODS to take them out so some fail alliances like IRON, PURE, HYDRA take back their space and be your pets.

So stop complain and fight with/vs the blobs.

Its your choise. Thats the way you fought in the past, that gona be your way of fighting in the future

Colonel Xaven
Caldari
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.07 10:45:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Zeveron
Quote:
Too bad its not just BOB vs Morsus Mihi. Now that would be fight.


Let say BoB wasnt there.
The hole NC blob + KIA + TCF would have attack TRI and GODS to take them out so some fail alliances like IRON, PURE, HYDRA take back their space and be your pets.



So you assume if Bob+pets wasn't there Tri v2 and Gods would have taken the space on their own? Rolling Eyes Furthermore I doubt that kia, tcf and many others wouldn't participate if Bob wasn't here. My 2 cents. Additionally there is no "pet system" in the NC. No NC alliance is a puppet of another.

Zeveron
Caldari
Exiled Gathering
HELL4S
Posted - 2008.11.07 10:54:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Originally by: Zeveron
Quote:
Too bad its not just BOB vs Morsus Mihi. Now that would be fight.


Let say BoB wasnt there.
The hole NC blob + KIA + TCF would have attack TRI and GODS to take them out so some fail alliances like IRON, PURE, HYDRA take back their space and be your pets.



So you assume if Bob+pets wasn't there Tri v2 and Gods would have taken the space on their own? Rolling Eyes Furthermore I doubt that kia, tcf and many others wouldn't participate if Bob wasn't here. My 2 cents. Additionally there is no "pet system" in the NC. No NC alliance is a puppet of another.


your past speaks for you.
Its not an assumption, its a fact.

And yes I belive GODS and TRI would have taken the space w/o bob beeing there, if they fought hydr, pure and iron and not the whole north + whatever else is on the field atm

Schwermetall
Amarr
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:14:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Helen
...if what your saying is true fluf then your amount of alliances dropping has increased your effectiveness going by what your saying.



So thats the reason why BoB gets slapped around lately after the Max Campaign started so splendidly ^^

Katherine Marx
Caldari
Muff Diving
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:15:00 - [104]
 

HEY GUYS! I have a great idea! Let's go attack the north, take deklein, goto tribute, get our asses handed to us, and then go post on the forums about how super ridiculous the NC is for having friends and defending their space! We won't look like jack asses I promise! I mean come on, we are attacking with 350 capitals and 600 support. Not like we are blobbing or anything. Not like we have a blue list as long as Maverick's Johnson (Top Gun, long and distinguished). Maybe people will believe us when we say we are still the best and the N.Y. Times will post a huge article about it.. right next to Barack Obama's victory procession.

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:16:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Cheffffffe
Long list of allies


Being quite honest, most of the entities there will field between 2-10 maybe 15 people, with EXE/AXE/WARPED being the exception, giving max fleets a larger quantity of people turning out. Bob still, by and large(Read: most the time), outnumbers in fleets all the allies.

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:19:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Katherine Marx
HEY GUYS! I have a great idea! Let's go attack the north, take deklein, goto tribute, get our asses handed to us, and then go post on the forums about how super ridiculous the NC is for having friends and defending their space! We won't look like jack asses I promise! I mean come on, we are attacking with 350 capitals and 600 support. Not like we are blobbing or anything. Not like we have a blue list as long as Maverick's Johnson (Top Gun, long and distinguished). Maybe people will believe us when we say we are still the best and the N.Y. Times will post a huge article about it.. right next to Barack Obama's victory procession.


I can do this too:

HEY GUYS, lets get a rediculous amount of allies, go attack bob, push to delve, try to take nol, get our asses handed to us, then proclaim Cyno jammers and titans are overpowered.

See, I can play this game too, and it's the exact same **** that your friends type out.

Katherine Marx
Caldari
Muff Diving
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:26:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Proxay

I can do this too:

HEY GUYS, lets get a rediculous amount of allies, go attack bob, take multiple regions push to delve, try to take nol, get bored from owning BOB, then wait for a weak attempt at retaliation and own them again

See, I can play this game too, and it's the exact same **** that your friends type out.


fixed

Goose Hypocrisy
Caldari
Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:35:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Helen

So mistress was right then about C&C that with a smaller number of distinct alliances you have better results, if what your saying is true fluf then your amount of alliances dropping has increased your effectiveness going by what your saying.



It doesn't surprise much, the GBC is having the same problem of the coalition in Delve, albeit on a different scale. While BoB is indeed BoB and sports a stamina and dedication, coupled with numbers, that no one else can match, their allies are far less battle hardened.

Defending is also a lot easier than attacking, and all those that reaped hundreds of kills in Delve are now stunned by the necessary losses you need to take when you are attacking. In the end you see that alliances with great numbers bring one caracal and two ceptors in fleet, helping very little, and when it comes down to capital partecipation the BoB/GBC ratio almost becomes embarassing.

So, like in Delve, the numbers on paper mean little when you can't convince your allies to log in, and with the current POS mechanics and multi-alliance federations, there is little you can do without numbers. However, like in Delve, the NAP lists still make a great propaganda tool and you can't ignore the fact that, on paper, the GBC vastly outnumbers the NC.

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.11.07 11:51:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Goose Hypocrisy
Originally by: Helen

So mistress was right then about C&C that with a smaller number of distinct alliances you have better results, if what your saying is true fluf then your amount of alliances dropping has increased your effectiveness going by what your saying.



It doesn't surprise much, the GBC is having the same problem of the coalition in Delve, albeit on a different scale. While BoB is indeed BoB and sports a stamina and dedication, coupled with numbers, that no one else can match, their allies are far less battle hardened.

Defending is also a lot easier than attacking, and all those that reaped hundreds of kills in Delve are now stunned by the necessary losses you need to take when you are attacking. In the end you see that alliances with great numbers bring one caracal and two ceptors in fleet, helping very little, and when it comes down to capital partecipation the BoB/GBC ratio almost becomes embarassing.

So, like in Delve, the numbers on paper mean little when you can't convince your allies to log in, and with the current POS mechanics and multi-alliance federations, there is little you can do without numbers. However, like in Delve, the NAP lists still make a great propaganda tool and you can't ignore the fact that, on paper, the GBC vastly outnumbers the NC.


Hang on a sec, one minute you're saying that the GBC is vast with thousands of allies doubling or even tripling BoB's own forces. The next your saying that BoB's allies are fading away and losing interest?

Stick to one line memes, clippylippis. They're not very funny, but least you can't get them wrong.

Thimerion
Minmatar
BOAE INC
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.11.07 12:10:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Goose Hypocrisy
Originally by: Helen




Hang on a sec, one minute you're saying that the GBC is vast with thousands of allies doubling or even tripling BoB's own forces. The next your saying that BoB's allies are fading away and losing interest?

Stick to one line memes, clippylippis. They're not very funny, but least you can't get them wrong.


If you bothered to read it properly you would have realised that the point that was being made was that even though the sum of GBC alliance members vastly outweighs that of the NC alliance's NC fleets still somehow managed to vastly outnumber GBC's

Personally I think it may have something to do with the horrific losses GBC are taking at the hands of these so called care bears. Oh and what happened to all this talk of BoBís super-capp kill ratio against the NC that they bragged so much about?

In all seriousness though, max has ground to a halt and in doing so it has by all definitions failed, the high end moons that have been acquired along the way are now no longer able to fund all the losses being taken and BoB have resorted to bunkering up in M-O under there cyno jammer. Props to \GBC though for providing EVE with the most destructive 3 months it has probably ever seen and for even just in wiping our IRON accomplishing some very impressive victories but at the end of the day MM anf RZR proved just that little to big and well organised even for BoB.

My 2 cents, rage/troll/flame away.

Diehard Si
Gallente
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2008.11.07 12:52:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Diehard Si on 07/11/2008 12:52:57
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Originally by: Zeveron
Quote:
Too bad its not just BOB vs Morsus Mihi. Now that would be fight.


Let say BoB wasnt there.
The hole NC blob + KIA + TCF would have attack TRI and GODS to take them out so some fail alliances like IRON, PURE, HYDRA take back their space and be your pets.



So you assume if Bob+pets wasn't there Tri v2 and Gods would have taken the space on their own? Rolling Eyes Furthermore I doubt that kia, tcf and many others wouldn't participate if Bob wasn't here. My 2 cents. Additionally there is no "pet system" in the NC. No NC alliance is a puppet of another.
Can't speak for Tri, only Gods.

If BOB wasn't in the north, Gods could have taken on Iron and Pure collectively and won. We couldn't of taken on the whole NC due to sheer cap numbers. I think any Gods member would agree with me on this.

However BOB being there, meant that the big boys ( Rzr and MM ) were obviously busy. This allowed to us to attack the alliances 1 against 1, and pick them off. Ok we took our time, but as an alliance was new to pos warfare.

In short, we saw an opportunity, and took it. Yes we know if BOB and Tri get pulled out of the north we're going to have a hell of a lot on our plate. But we love a fight, and will go wherever the fights are. If they come to us then great. As it is, we've gone to the fight now, sorted GBC standings again and getting people to the front line donw in tribute. I think our fate will probably be decided there.

Dark Angelete
Gallente
Dark Angel Battalion
Posted - 2008.11.07 12:55:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Katherine Marx
our alts are best at rage quiting and shiet posting.rzr for the mad props


i concur.

Dark Angelete
Gallente
Dark Angel Battalion
Posted - 2008.11.07 13:00:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Dark Angelete on 07/11/2008 13:02:29
Originally by: Goose Hypocrisy
GBC vastly outnumbers the NC.


lawl at your propaganda attempts.stick to your normal forum burns at least you seem decent at them.

im honestly just surprised that shamiz bite on goonies and ex bitter tris attempts at manipulating pl as an alliance to do their bidding and move north.pvp is pvp and maybe thats what pl wanted to do all along.but the way after these guys joined and pushed the alliance north was easy to see weeks in advance even by the most clueless people.


General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.11.07 14:19:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: "General Windypops"
Stick to one line memes, clippylippis. They're not very funny, but least you can't get them wrong


Originally by: Dark Angelete
stick to your normal forum burns at least you seem decent at them.


Hey! Get your own crushing putdowns, and stop nicking mine!



Margie O'Neill
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.07 14:27:00 - [115]
 

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Marlon Shakespeare
Gallente
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.11.07 14:28:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Diehard Si

If BOB wasn't in the north, Gods could have taken on Iron and Pure collectively and won. We couldn't of taken on the whole NC due to sheer cap numbers. I think any Gods member would agree with me on this.


LOL.




Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.07 16:52:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Diehard Si

If BOB wasn't in the north, Gods could have taken on Iron and Pure collectively and won.


No you couldn't.

Haradgrim
Caldari
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2008.11.07 16:55:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Diehard Si

If BOB wasn't in the north, Gods could have taken on Iron and Pure collectively and won.


No you couldn't.


This is not an arguement

yes it is

no it isn't

Laughing

C4w3
Minmatar
Corp 1 Allstars
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.11.07 16:59:00 - [119]
 

Friday --> Gooooo monkey posters go0o0oo

Diehard Si
Gallente
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2008.11.07 17:06:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Diehard Si

If BOB wasn't in the north, Gods could have taken on Iron and Pure collectively and won.


No you couldn't.
We could and could of fairly easily. Its not our fault the allainces didn't help each other out, it would of made it more interesting but would of been the same result.

But anyway, i can't be bothered arguing over ifs and buts, and this thread isn't about Gods anyway.


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