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Locii
Posted - 2008.11.01 10:25:00 - [1]
 

1. are npc web's also gonna be max 60%? including spider drones webs?
2. are the distance to the gates going to be reduced to over come the reduction in bs speed?
3. would it be posible with the nerf to drones to remove the need to kill all frigs to unlock teh gates?
4. is it the intention to nerf the amount of isk mission runners can make per hour? as without lp its max 20mil from a lv4/hour atm. and looking at how the changes will effect mission runners( slower ships, less damage to bs's, bc's and cruisers) a drop in that rate will happen as it stands

if one of the dev's could answer these i would be most grateful
Locii

Ishmael D'ren
Gallente
Krypteia Brotherhood
Rough Necks
Posted - 2008.11.01 11:12:00 - [2]
 

Also, could I ask if my drones are going to get insta popped in missions because of their higher sig?

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.11.01 14:06:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/11/2008 14:05:46
1) Probably not.

2) Probably not. Battleship is not the only ship class. Maybe fit an AB.

3) Probably not, and rightfully so. Yeah, I know that it sucks that your ubermissionwinboat isn't going to be that incredible anymore..

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.


Locii
Posted - 2008.11.01 14:16:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/11/2008 14:05:46
1) Probably not.

2) Probably not. Battleship is not the only ship class. Maybe fit an AB.

3) Probably not, and rightfully so. Yeah, I know that it sucks that your ubermissionwinboat isn't going to be that incredible anymore..

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.




im wondering where its documented that a lv4 mission runner can make 35-40mil from just bounties per hour.. as im dam sure i cant. please provide me with links to these documents. thanks

Draahkness
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.11.01 14:31:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Draahkness on 01/11/2008 14:31:07
Edited by: Draahkness on 01/11/2008 14:30:52
A raven cant. A golem probably can. Kill all spawns, loot all wrecks and build something nice with the refine, salvage all wrecks and build rigs. Then maybe 35m/h

Other then that the most profitable mission I know, no loot or salvage, is DED blockade. If you gather all the tags they sell for approx 30 mil, the mission takes about 2 hours if you solo it in a bs.

edit: spelling x2

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.01 18:52:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Soporo on 01/11/2008 18:54:25

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/11/2008 14:05:46

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.




Flat out lie.

Maybe with 2 accounts, multiple level 4 ageants in the same system, a pimp Golem and complete understanding of all the missions. The average is about 12-17 mil/hr t2 Raven. Oh, and this will change for the worse now with what's on test.

Koyama Ise
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.03 08:05:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.



Is this after or before the torp reconfiguration, cause if it's before your figures are irrelivent and if it's after the T2 missioning raven is overpowered cause I could never make that much in my especially after the nerf to end all nerfs.

Locii
Posted - 2008.11.03 14:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Koyama Ise
Originally by: Kahega Amielden

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.



Is this after or before the torp reconfiguration, cause if it's before your figures are irrelivent and if it's after the T2 missioning raven is overpowered cause I could never make that much in my especially after the nerf to end all nerfs.


well its not possible to make 40mil per hour in bounties pre patch.. 20mil/hour is about max and from running a couple of missions on sisi i know well. im expecting my missioning income to drop at least 20%. id guess with some of teh missions with a great deal of small ships on the drop will be more like 50%. as now for your drones to actually hit the frigs you will have to down grade to smalls

Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
Bloody Amarr's
Posted - 2008.11.03 14:41:00 - [9]
 

try rturets they miss 99% time small ships in mission :D. Ow i forgot you want iprint is button, but dont worry lp store prices will rise, so your income too ;]

Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
Posted - 2008.11.03 20:15:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven.

show me your sources (aka proof or stfu).
i've heard it from a friend's friend does not count.

Locii
Posted - 2008.11.04 09:00:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
try rturets they miss 99% time small ships in mission :D. Ow i forgot you want iprint is button, but dont worry lp store prices will rise, so your income too ;]


ive flown missions in megas and domi's.. mega dps sucks in a mission. domi is great for afk'ing missions just slow. would like to try a kronos. but with teh wed nerf hitting that hard. ill stick to a standard t2 raven. even with its advantages missions are gonna take longer. and as you know all us cearbears do is run missions and sell lovely shinny mods to you in jita. it will hit everyone in the end

Strill
Posted - 2008.11.04 10:59:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Strill on 04/11/2008 11:14:41
Originally by: Locii
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/11/2008 14:05:46
1) Probably not.

2) Probably not. Battleship is not the only ship class. Maybe fit an AB.

3) Probably not, and rightfully so. Yeah, I know that it sucks that your ubermissionwinboat isn't going to be that incredible anymore..

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.




im wondering where its documented that a lv4 mission runner can make 35-40mil from just bounties per hour.. as im dam sure i cant. please provide me with links to these documents. thanks

I don't know anything about making 35-40 mil from just bounties, but the person you quoted didn't say anything about that. I certainly can, however, make 35-40 mil an hour from level 4 missions. Angel extravaganza takes about an hour to run, and gives ~18 mil bounties, 3 mil agent reward, and 5.5k LP = 5.5-11mil ISK depending on which items I use to convert it. Loot and salvage come in at anywhere from 15 to 30 mil depending on how many armor plates, tritanium bars, and large guns drop.

For what I use to run the missions, I fly a domi. Usually I fit rails, gardes, wardens, and ogres (yes that means no small or medium drones), but on some missions (such as angel extravaganza) I fit blasters since almost all of the enemy battleships are close-range.

And no, I have no problems hitting frigates with my heavy drones.

Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.11.04 11:46:00 - [13]
 

CCP needs to overhaul their missions... again.


Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.11.04 11:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Strill

I don't know anything about making 35-40 mil from just bounties, but the person you quoted didn't say anything about that. I certainly can, however, make 35-40 mil an hour from level 4 missions. Angel extravaganza takes about an hour to run, and gives ~18 mil bounties, 3 mil agent reward, and 5.5k LP = 5.5-11mil ISK depending on which items I use to convert it. Loot and salvage come in at anywhere from 15 to 30 mil depending on how many armor plates, tritanium bars, and large guns drop.

For what I use to run the missions, I fly a domi. Usually I fit rails, gardes, wardens, and ogres (yes that means no small or medium drones), but on some missions (such as angel extravaganza) I fit blasters since almost all of the enemy battleships are close-range.

And no, I have no problems hitting frigates with my heavy drones.


The extravaganza's take a lot longer than an hour for the average player. Are you using 2 accounts? Under an hour is typically two accounts and that is under 20m per hour per account. Can make the same amount mining with two accounts.

3/4 of level 4 missions are not that flash in terms of payout, are you guys just rejecting all the missions until you get the big pay-out missions?

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2008.11.04 12:20:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 04/11/2008 12:23:18
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 04/11/2008 12:20:34
Originally by: Soporo
Edited by: Soporo on 01/11/2008 18:54:25

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 01/11/2008 14:05:46

4. Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven. Secondly, if this is a nerf to missionrunners then I am definitely all for it, although unfortunately I doubt it will be that significant.




Flat out lie.

Maybe with 2 accounts, multiple level 4 ageants in the same system, a pimp Golem and complete understanding of all the missions. The average is about 12-17 mil/hr t2 Raven. Oh, and this will change for the worse now with what's on test.


Blockade level 4 nets you 25-30m in bounties alone and can be done in 40min with t2 raven - off-c ... you need to fit it right. Angel extravaganza without bonus nets you 25+ and can also be done in 35+ min. Gone Berserk nets you 12min in bounties but can be done in under 20min in t2 raven. Damsel in Distress is 20-25min and nets about 8m in bounties but around 1m trit and other assorted mins.

I'm sorry ... you were saying what ?

Originally by: Locii
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
try rturets they miss 99% time small ships in mission :D. Ow i forgot you want iprint is button, but dont worry lp store prices will rise, so your income too ;]


ive flown missions in megas and domi's.. mega dps sucks in a mission. domi is great for afk'ing missions just slow. would like to try a kronos. but with teh wed nerf hitting that hard. ill stick to a standard t2 raven. even with its advantages missions are gonna take longer. and as you know all us cearbears do is run missions and sell lovely shinny mods to you in jita. it will hit everyone in the end


Kronos is similar to Mega. If you can make the Mega work for missions, Kronos will work too. Unfortunately, if you want to get close to efficiency of CNR in missions where big tank is not needed, you will need an alt with logistics running on the Kronos and with tracking links.

Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.04 13:12:00 - [16]
 

a Maelstrom or whatever turretship worked perfectly fine for missions last time i tried, you just had to use your brain and move some to down the transversal velocity

Raven was better yes but now that cruises are getting nerfed that era will end, throwing them all on a equal ground just as intended (siege raven will still be the pawn for ratting closerange rat types post patch)

i just love that this bear patch came back to hit the bears where it hurts the most =) the beloved CNR's!

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.04 13:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Chi Quan
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Firstly, it's been documented...people have been able to make 35-40 mil/hour with a single account with a t2-fit raven.

show me your sources (aka proof or stfu).
i've heard it from a friend's friend does not count.


From my tests, using a Golem with T2 fit and almost maximized skills it is possible to get an average above the 30 millions hour BUT that number is possible:

1) salvaging and looting during the mission;

2) refining most of the lot with perfect skills and no tax;

3) no corp tax;

4) including the LP rewards and the storyline implant rewards;

5) counting only the time from mission acceptance to loot delivery, not the time for selling loot or minerals.

A more average mission runner with a raven will get about 20 millions all inclusive (again LP rewards, salvage, loot, bounties and mission rewards). the capability of the golem to salvage and loot on the fly has a noticeable impact on looting time.


Even the golem pilot will get way less than 30 millions/hour (and probably less than 20/hour) if you include things like delivery of the loot to market hubs, time dedicated to converting the LP, waiting time to when getting unsuitable missions and so on, i.e. when you consider total PVE play time against isk gained.


Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2008.11.04 13:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Locii
2. are the distance to the gates going to be reduced to over come the reduction in bs speed?
3. would it be posible with the nerf to drones to remove the need to kill all frigs to unlock teh gates?



2. Not that i've seen, so what? I fit an afterburner to my pulse apocalypse. Maybe for those missions with long distances between gates, you should use a different ship? Maybe a Raven isn't the ideal mission ship for all occasions? Big deal.

3. Drones are fine. Hammerheads hit frigates fine.

Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
Bloody Amarr's
Posted - 2008.11.04 13:58:00 - [19]
 

77km torp fit ravens i wonder how they will work ;]

Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
Posted - 2008.11.06 21:25:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Chi Quan on 07/11/2008 20:27:47
Originally by: Muad' Dib

Blockade level 4 nets you 25-30m in bounties alone and can be done in 40min with t2 raven - off-c ... you need to fit it right. Angel extravaganza without bonus nets you 25+ and can also be done in 35+ min. Gone Berserk nets you 12min in bounties but can be done in under 20min in t2 raven. Damsel in Distress is 20-25min and nets about 8m in bounties but around 1m trit and other assorted mins.

blockade - no it nets those 25 including loot, which has to be scooped, thus loosing time
"you need to fit it right" - faction mods for your "t2"-fit?
damsel - dude that structure alone needs 10 minutes to get blown up and that trit comes from asteroids which have to be mined and from loot that needs to be scooped

sure, i can blitz through "Recon" using a shuttle in 10 miuntes, but YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT because i don't bring home salvage parts and no stuff to reprocess, stuff YOU need.

Originally by: Bobbechk
a Maelstrom or whatever turretship worked perfectly fine for missions last time i tried, you just had to use your brain and move some to down the transversal velocity

Raven was better yes but now that cruises are getting nerfed that era will end, throwing them all on a equal ground just as intended (siege raven will still be the pawn for ratting closerange rat types post patch)

i just love that this bear patch came back to hit the bears where it hurts the most =) the beloved CNR's!

wtb agent that gives beltrat spawns? wtb bs weapons that track figs after the web nerf (and right now on tq even with current webs)? wtb frig that tanks bs rats?

i bet the bears with CNRs were not the ones complaining about nanos, it was ignorants like you.

where do you clueless ppl think does all the isk go? ok i'll give you options:
1) GTC, providing you with salvage and minerals in the process
2) mods, bought from you guys out there where the deadspace bs spawn
3) pvp ships, to provide you with targets to shoot


 

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