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Dragon Lord
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.28 13:59:00 - [1]
 

Looks like the changes on sisi mean that frigs will be unkillable using torps or cruise and cruisers very hard to kill, and larger drones have had there tracking screwed so i guess soloing lvl4s became alot more interesting.
Will haveto see the final changes but looks like the solo lvl4 pwn ship that was the Raven will be dead very soon. And i guess that also includes the CNR and Golem. I suppose the drone tracking nerf on small targets might also screw the domi, oh well guess only time will tell.

Good excuse to finally trains guns though :)

Lana Lanee
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:00:00 - [2]
 

stfu, guns are nerfed too. good excuse to finally start mining!

Roidest
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:07:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Dragon Lord
Looks like the changes on sisi mean that frigs will be unkillable using torps or cruise and cruisers very hard to kill, and larger drones have had there tracking screwed so i guess soloing lvl4s became alot more interesting.
Will haveto see the final changes but looks like the solo lvl4 pwn ship that was the Raven will be dead very soon.

You can try lvl4 on SISI to be sure about this.

As for Domi, well, there is enough dronebay for light and medium drones.

Hayman Wakefield
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:09:00 - [4]
 

Have you actually been on sisi and tested this out yet? I have in my standard t2 fit cruise Golem and yes there is definately a damage reduction but hardly OMG the sky is falling. You will have to mount a target painter to help but thats no great shakes and I've been using one for ages anyway. Drones tbh still do their thing vs frigs, standard cruisers and BC's can still be 1 vollied, dessies still can be wiped out with a single missile (granted from a golem). Frigs especially the AF style ones do take 3 vollys so I'm sticking to drones for them. So recap, target painters help missile boats (no change there) drones still useful vs frigs, and no the sky is not falling and the Raven group of BS are still the pve kings.

DukeHilton
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:19:00 - [5]
 

can i have your raven+cnr+golem stuffz

Guygeboe
Caldari
Viper-Squad
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:25:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Guygeboe on 28/10/2008 14:25:44
What about torps? they seriously dont damage frigs? that sounds too weird...what use is the explosion velocity bonus than on Golems? apart from hitting cruisers then...

I see no problems...frigs are meant to be killed by your drones anyway. It does kinda suck when they all get shot in the mission though...

edit: so this is why i read about the nighthawk going to be faster then ravens and golems :P

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:26:00 - [7]
 

1. Warhead Rigor Catalyst 1
2. Profit

FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
Posted - 2008.10.28 14:49:00 - [8]
 

In all my time flying missions I have not fired a single cruise missile or torp at a ship smaller than a cruiser. Drones handle these ships just fine. With proper spawn management, my drones can kill all the small stuff in about the same time it takes me to kill the big stuff with proper weapons.

The only thing I would be concerned about is if cruise missiles or torps now have a harder time killing larger ships - especially BSs (but also BCs or cruisers). Is this the case?

vanBuskirk
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.28 15:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: FT Diomedes
In all my time flying missions I have not fired a single cruise missile or torp at a ship smaller than a cruiser. Drones handle these ships just fine. With proper spawn management, my drones can kill all the small stuff in about the same time it takes me to kill the big stuff with proper weapons.

The only thing I would be concerned about is if cruise missiles or torps now have a harder time killing larger ships - especially BSs (but also BCs or cruisers). Is this the case?


Interesting. I find that sometimes firing a single cruise at a frigate in a swarm of them gets aggro, and they then MWD towards me - which makes cruise missiles very effective against them.

Granted, this is only worth doing with frigates, initially at long range, that can get you killed if they get in close - which basically means the tacklers. Keeping the option to run away (sorry, make a tactical retreat Razz ) is always nice. Smile It's also a good idea to have the radial velocity column enabled, and watch it. Over 500m/s and they are probably on MWD.

Srioghal moDhream
Posted - 2008.10.28 15:48:00 - [10]
 

Also keep in mind, just because it is on sisi today does not mean it will go to patch.

It is a test server, they test out ideas there. That's the point of a test server. To test things. You know, different things. To test if they work or not.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.10.28 17:40:00 - [11]
 

All of this spells... N i g h t h a w k.

Sofia Kyodai
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.10.28 18:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dragon Lord
Looks like the changes on sisi mean that frigs will be unkillable using torps or cruise and cruisers very hard to kill, and larger drones have had there tracking screwed so i guess soloing lvl4s became alot more interesting.
Will haveto see the final changes but looks like the solo lvl4 pwn ship that was the Raven will be dead very soon. And i guess that also includes the CNR and Golem. I suppose the drone tracking nerf on small targets might also screw the domi, oh well guess only time will tell.

Good excuse to finally trains guns though :)


And you think that's really world shattering? Train Guided Missile Precision and Target Nav Prediction for Cruise, Golem already has 2 bonuses for torps, namely the TP bonus AND a built in Target Nav Prediction bonus. No, the next expansion will be anything but the death of missile BSs...

PS: oh, and i can use guns too, but wont need them anyway Twisted Evil

Krasnij Okjabre
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.10.28 18:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Akita T
All of this spells... N i g h t h a w k.



I found a well fitted Cerberus worked better. Far superior range... hehe

That was when I ran missions...

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2008.10.28 18:38:00 - [14]
 

Or just fit heavy missile launchers in two slots...

onoma
Posted - 2008.10.28 20:00:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lana Lanee
stfu, guns are nerfed too. good excuse to finally start mining!


LOL so true

Sig Sour
Posted - 2008.10.28 20:05:00 - [16]
 

Way to be creative on picking solutions. There is one out there, but Ill leave that up for someone who has something to prove to tell you.

Khraunus
Amarr
Black Forest Operatives
Posted - 2008.10.28 21:08:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ghengis Tia
1. Warhead Rigor Catalyst 1
2. Profit

you forgot 1.5. ????? Razz

Yeah, Ravens got nerfed down so that now they don't instapwn anything frigate sized, but I have to say I do think that was needed. They did a pretty high ammount of damage pre-nerf.

FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
Posted - 2008.10.28 22:05:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Or just fit heavy missile launchers in two slots...


Fail.

Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.10.28 22:56:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Joss Sparq on 28/10/2008 22:55:52
Originally by: Dragon Lord
and larger drones have had there tracking screwed

So use medium drones? Neutral

FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
Posted - 2008.10.29 01:28:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Joss Sparq
Edited by: Joss Sparq on 28/10/2008 22:55:52
Originally by: Dragon Lord
and larger drones have had there tracking screwed

So use medium drones? Neutral


Or fit omnidirectional tracking CPUs, which all good Dominix fits should already include.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.10.29 06:22:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre
Originally by: Akita T
All of this spells... N i g h t h a w k.

I found a well fitted Cerberus worked better. Far superior range... hehe

I don't know, I find ~70km to be more than enough range already Wink
And the DPS difference between a Cerberus and Nighthawk... huge. Heck, a Drake outdamages a Cerberus.

Ruban Boatbuyer
Posted - 2008.10.29 07:08:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Ruban Boatbuyer on 29/10/2008 07:27:33
and what am I supposed to do when I get a disconnect like last night and lose all my drones, hit the self destruct because an unkillable frigate has me scrambled? I'm off to tell the King the sky is falling :P

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.10.29 07:18:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ruban Boatbuyer
and what am I supposed to do when I get a disconnect like last night and lose all my drones, hit the self destruct because an unkillable frigate has me scrambled?


Logoffski ? Unlike in pvp it is not considered very lame if you do that to NPC's as far as I understand.

Dragon Lord
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.29 10:29:00 - [24]
 

well after reading all the posts i guess the best thing to do is test it myself, for the record i have max missile support skills and marauders 5 + implants so the missile chages should be reduced as much as they are possible to reduce, i use javs so will have to see how they fair in this brave new world.
Oh and scrap gun training by the sounds of whats happening on sisi there getting screwed worse than missiles lol

Caldari Silence
Requiem.
EvE Rookie Collective Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.29 12:00:00 - [25]
 

I Just Ran Enamys Abound 1 of 5 (Level 4) on the Test server in a standard T2 fitted Raven......was there supposed to be a difference? If anything i completed the mission quicker then usual. I Always pack Tech 2 Drones to handle frigs and crusiers normally, and leave torps and cruise misiles to the BS's.

In all honesty if there was a change made it was hardly noticable on a Level 4, however for PVP im sure there is a major difference. NPC's dont have good skills ya see ;)

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2008.10.29 13:27:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Khraunus
Originally by: Ghengis Tia
1. Warhead Rigor Catalyst 1
2. Profit

you forgot 1.5. ????? Razz

Yeah, Ravens got nerfed down so that now they don't instapwn anything frigate sized, but I have to say I do think that was needed. They did a pretty high ammount of damage pre-nerf.


1.5? Enlighten me please....

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2008.10.29 19:56:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: FT Diomedes
In all my time flying missions I have not fired a single cruise missile or torp at a ship smaller than a cruiser. Drones handle these ships just fine. With proper spawn management, my drones can kill all the small stuff in about the same time it takes me to kill the big stuff with proper weapons.

The only thing I would be concerned about is if cruise missiles or torps now have a harder time killing larger ships - especially BSs (but also BCs or cruisers). Is this the case?


I only fire cruises on frig-sized ships twice. Worlds Collide 2nd room, Angel base, and uhm another I forgot the name on, 4 groups sitting at 70km+ away and the frig group can be single pulled. MWDing frigs pop from 1-2 cruises there, could as well be taken with drones.

As for the changes, I tried them on test server and I honestly didn't notice any difference at all. Then again just like the guy I quoted, I use drones for everything below BC size.

Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
Posted - 2008.10.29 19:57:00 - [28]
 

My T2 Hobgoblins seem to work just fine on them, as do my T2 Hammerheads, Hornets, Vespas, and whatever combo I decide I want to run based on the rats I will be fighting. That wont be changing.

And, like many others, I rarely, if ever toss a cruise/torp at a frig class ship from a Raven.

About the only time I actually DO toss a cruise at something s maller then a cruiser is when I'm flying a Manticore.

Dragon Lord
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.30 12:08:00 - [29]
 

Well having tested my Torp Golem on SISI it looks like ships still die just as quick even the small fry, twin painters help and max missile support skills and implants + marauders 5 defo helps, would be interesting to see how a torp raven fairs on lvl4s, think they may have to drop to cruise missiles.
Interesting that the certificates recommended for a Golem do not include torp spec, just cruise spec 4. I would thik with the golems bonuses Torps should be used although i see the logic in using cruise.

Zalathar
Minmatar
Trannyz
Posted - 2008.10.30 12:14:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Zalathar on 30/10/2008 12:14:28
Step 1: buy 5 tech 2 light drones
Step 2: buy 5 tech 2 medium drones
Step 3: use the meds on BS and cruisers and lights on frigs
Step 4: missile launchers focus on BS
Step 5: successfully adapt and play like CCP intended the game mechanics to work.



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