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Kita Radeon
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2008.10.22 03:50:00 - [61]
 

lol, gl.

The main reason it wont work is it only takes a decent understanding of the game mechanics in order to **** people off. Great, you kill all the griefers in the game and made them cry irl.

What about the new players joining the game every day?

Nalar Marnith
Minmatar
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.10.22 03:58:00 - [62]
 

Come to low sec, we'd be happy to show you a good time.

Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
Posted - 2008.10.22 05:07:00 - [63]
 

Glad you are on the scene, I'm a bantam pilot, and these big mean hulks keep stealing all the asteroids. THEY ARE GRIEFING ME!! Please come kill them... Also they litter the asteroid fields with old secure containers, it makes things really ugly, which is GRIEFING right? Please help me get rid of them all..

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.22 06:20:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: ScaR97731

Such is the historical pattern of the very stupid, human race.


You're such a shining example of this.


~~~Keep on postin' you beautiful butterfly.~~~o7o7o7o7o7

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2008.10.22 07:45:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Never going to happen with the people in High Sec. They will not band together for the Greater Good. They will run to Momma CCP to moan and groan that the Bad People are giving them grief. They will never do anything for themselves.


There is some serious wisdom here. Wink

Also huge majority of high sec inhabitants will not only never do anything for themselves, but are also usually the easier target the more they bunch together. Smile

Still very amusing OP, thanks for a good read.

Zar Terra
Posted - 2008.10.22 08:21:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Celora Venustas

Lots of hyperbolic ranting



Yeah....you go right on ahead...
I'll be right behind you with some looters and salvagers.

Also....
your stuff, can I has?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.10.22 08:42:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Garreck
To be honest, this says it all about griefing in Eve:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

'Griefing' is the most massively overused term in Eve.


Nah, it's around #3, behind 'whine' and 'can I have your stuff'.

Neo Rainhart
Guerilla Republik
Excuses.
Posted - 2008.10.22 09:43:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Celora Venustas
Griefers are the worst kind of people in the Eve Community


NO U

Celora Venustas
Posted - 2008.10.22 09:49:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Celora Venustas on 22/10/2008 10:07:14
Edited by: Celora Venustas on 22/10/2008 09:59:53
Originally by: UrsaeMajoris
Edited by: UrsaeMajoris on 21/10/2008 15:21:33
And just how do you define when an individual/corp/alliance meets your criteria of being griefers?

For example, if a guy was to can flip you - would you immediately dismiss this as griefing?


of course not.

Originally by: UrsaeMajoris

Point I'm trying to convey here is that true griefing isn't such an easy distinction to make and whatever it is in EVE that falls under the definition of "griefing" is always subjective.

Just because a corp decs a bunch of industrialists doesn't mean their intentions are to grief - for most players, making tears usually takes a backseat to making ISK.


I'm well aware of this. Read the whole entire post again.

I'm talking about players who're actively trying to make corps fall apart and players leave the game.
I'm talking about continuous harassment over months and months.
Following players/corps as they corp jump and/or form new corps. Following them as they move to systems 15+ jumps away.
Three year old players that smack talk etc, and do nothing but kill noobs who're less than a couple months, some less than a week old.

These are the worst kind of people. The worst kind of bullies who should be punished for their despicable and disgusting actions.


You can't deny that the following isn't pathetic: A 3 year old player going around killing only newbies who're less than 2months old. Furthermore this player creates an alt on a trial account and kills that trial account alt many times when it's in its noob ship. And then posts it on a killboard!


All i'm doing is forming an alliance. It's an alliance designed to fight against these kind of people. Alliances are formed everyday for many different reasons. There's nothing wrong with forming alliances to control 0.0 sec space, there's nothing wrong with forming pirate alliances. There's nothing wrong with forming mercenary alliances. There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.

Thanks again for all the replies.

Cheers

Vharl Ochre
I Heart Chaos
Posted - 2008.10.22 10:21:00 - [70]
 

Well good luck with your alliance Very Happy

H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:09:00 - [71]
 

Good luck with your endeavours - and please keep the C&P community updated. After all we are part of the 'good people of the Eve Community' too.

Very Happy

Gunja Ancient
Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:18:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Vharl Ochre
Is it now that I get to ask for your stuff?


Na, I think there is a 24hr waiting periodLaughing..oh waitShocked...did I just grief you..Embarassed...sorrySad

Mickey Simon
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:30:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Celora Venustas

There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.Cheers

Of course not.
But in doing so, realise that you're being a hypocrite, and are most likely going to fail miserably.

Gunja Ancient
Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:37:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Celora Venustas

There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.Cheers

Of course not.
But in doing so, realise that you're being a hypocrite, and are most likely going to fail miserably.


Bitter much?Rolling Eyes

Good luck with this Super Mega Griefer Killing Alliance thingyWink

StainLessStealRat
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:38:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Celora Venustas
[blah blah blah


Get over it and grow some nads

Mickey Simon
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:42:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Gunja Ancient
Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Celora Venustas

There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.Cheers

Of course not.
But in doing so, realise that you're being a hypocrite, and are most likely going to fail miserably.


Bitter much?Rolling Eyes

Good luck with this Super Mega Griefer Killing Alliance thingyWink

Why should I be bitter? I don't understand.
I don't engage in a lot of "griefing" but I've enough sense to know that trying to form an alliance to "get rid of all the griefers!" is a sort of griefing in itself, and I've also the sense to know that the people likely to join such an alliance are also not likely to have a lot of PvP experience, or be exceptionally skilled at PvP (there are exceptions, obviously). Compare that with the so called "griefer" corps who have pilots hungry to kill, and who have done so on numerous occaisions and who aren't afraid to lose their ship if it means a chance to do the same to someone else.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.10.22 11:58:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Havohej on 22/10/2008 12:05:50
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Originally by: Wobbly Hog
Er....ummmm....wouldnt this make YOU griefers??


umm no. It's punishing the griefers for their wrong doing. It's giving the Highsec community their freedom back!

These "griefers" aren't your ordinary corps war dec'ing over disputes or asteroids etc.. they're People who deliberately want to ruin the game for others.

Nothing wrong with mercs, and pirates if that's what you're doing as a role.


GoonSwarm lives in 0.0, not highsec. wuts goin on in dis thred?

EDIT: I'm gonna miss these forums. But I'll be back Very Happy

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:05:00 - [78]
 

I have never griefed a single person in Eve. Ever.

Marchocias
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:06:00 - [79]
 

This thread delivers... the OP has failed so stunningly, and it has just got better since then.

Declaring war on a corp for ransom is not greifing. It is a way of making money. If this is how you're attempting to make money, it only makes sense that you do as much damage a possible, so that your target takes you seriously.

If your target doesn't pay up, then you can either drop the wardec (and thereby demonstrate that you don't have the will to take the wardec to its conclusion) or you can keep going until they do pay, or members stop logging in/ corporation falls apart.

In the case that the corp falls apart and you still haven't recieved the cash, wardeccing the corp which the CEO moves to could be considered a rather wise move... you're showing that you not only have the will to follow the wardec to its conclusion, but also that you'll follow it to its meta-conclusion (namely that you'll get your money somehow, no matter how long it takes, how many decs it requires, etc).

This isn't griefing.

This is ensuring that in future, if you wardec a target, they'll know that you're serious, and be more likely to pay up.

But anyway, I wish you all the success in the world... your alliance sounds like the most hilarious target ever, and I'm dying to get involved, so thanks!

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:06:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Jack Gates
I have never griefed a single person in Eve. Ever.


So you're going to give me back my "recruitment processing fee", then? Laughing

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:15:00 - [81]
 

I would like to join the griefers, where do i sign up?

Caldari Citizen54637869013
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:18:00 - [82]
 

Thread delivers, Troll 9/10 Laughing
sheet i just paosted EmbarassedShocked

Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:29:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Jack Gates
I have never griefed a single person in Eve. Ever.


So you're going to give me back my "recruitment processing fee", then? Laughing


I'm a legitimate businessman and well-known recruiter. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Lando Paladin
Posted - 2008.10.22 12:56:00 - [84]
 

this alliance idea while altruistic in nature (from the point of view of carebears) is bound to fail.

True griefers are all the lone ones hiding out in the NPC corps. they are the ones to stay in NPC corps knowing full well they can behave like asshats and never suffer a wardec, typically they ride around in crapola T1 disposable ships insured to the hilt and primary purpose is simply to force PVP on a unwilling participent, you cant really call even a kestrel taking on a bantam or osprey fitted with nothing but mining lasers PVP - its simply lame ship shooting, even the idiota NPC's attempt to put up a decent fight.

So how is a alliance going to stop that? you cant wardec a NPC corp. even if all your alliance members can shoot during the aggro counter at a griefer they are simply getting what they wanted.

As for the larger "griefer corps" who take delight in shutting down POS's etc. Wealthy carebear corps already have a number of avenues to deal with them.

1: pay for their own security force. Hire their own PVP'rs and give them ships, ammo and isk to look after their corp.
2: Pay off whoever griefs them like the mafia protection thing, accept its a cost of doing business and being weak and put their prices up to compensate.
3: use the money the griefer ransom wants to pay a much better merc corp to grief the griefers.
4: stop being whiney, poney up, join a REAL alliance and head for nullsec where resource gatherers and PVP'rs gain mutual benefit.

Its very simple. good carebear corps are huge isk generators, they can easily spend billions on hiring the games best mercs to grief their enemies 24/7. they will always have more resources than the griefers so its easy to shut them down, if you arent a rich enough corp to do that then you should consider merging and not running a mom and pop operation.

Mainly people get griefed because they either dont stand up for their own interests, or are too greedy to pay out their isk to others to look after their interests. But if you play the game the right way you won't ever get griefed in empire.

so all your alliance is doing is smacking (all the wrong targets) into griefing your members even more.

Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold and with surprise. a Carebear should never alert their opponent to the amount of pain they are unleashing upon them via mercs/


Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari
G.M.O.T.H
Posted - 2008.10.22 13:18:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Celora Venustas

You can't deny that the following isn't pathetic: A 3 year old player going around killing only newbies who're less than 2months old. Furthermore this player creates an alt on a trial account and kills that trial account alt many times when it's in its noob ship. And then posts it on a killboard!



The killing noobs thing is pathetic, but the whole "creates an alt on a trial account and kills that trial account alt many times when it's in its noob ship" ... uh, so what. The guy gets his jollys over pew pewing himself. I suppose he also gets jollies over being ridiculed about his bloat killboards - I mean aren't killboards to brag about ... and what's there to brag about when all you did was blow up you alt in a noobigate?

Sounds like you have more of a problem with this then many others, you've mentioned this 3 year player a couple of times. What's really going on here?

Julien makka
Racketeers
Posted - 2008.10.22 14:27:00 - [86]
 

Im a griefer. Im in a griefer corp.

I take pride in the fact that we are unrivaled in the amount and quality of smack we daily produce. Killing carebears is one of our favourite activities. We also eat babies.

Please, try and stop us. :)

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2008.10.22 14:35:00 - [87]
 

An honest griefer is a wonderful thing.

Sral TBear
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2008.10.22 16:04:00 - [88]
 

you my friend is on dangerous grounds. You have to make sure that you define the word grief correct.

Some merc corps operates by a werry low information policy, and many of these "noob" corps actualy bring it to them selfs by not being able to control there members.

Many many many wars in eve are startet by words (smack/trash talk) and when a corp ends up in a war they scream griiiiiief but the case is that some of there members actualy brought it down on them selfs. Sometimes you should think twice if a guy on local say *stop that talk or we send a war dec* because there are quit a few who will do that in an instant.

There are griefers out there, seen plenty, war decced plenty. But there are also those who earn isk that way from client, or that simply dont take smack easely.

Because of the "defenition" on the word grief i promise you that i will be in the first coalition that will fight the empire wannabe concord.....in eve, the bad guys tends to be the good guys and the good guys cant figure out where to begin eating a donut, there is no way in, you have to bite the ring....

"this is not alliance bla bla so bla alliance bla bla"

TBear


Leon vanUber
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.10.22 17:24:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Leon vanUber on 22/10/2008 17:25:52
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 21/10/2008 16:54:25

Sorry but anti-pirates tend to be the biggest smacktards you'll ever meet. Most of these "griefers" are just out for fun and know how to take being beaten themselves because they've been on both sides. A carebear however will spend half an hour going into explicit detail on your death.

Next time you find a "Griefer" Open a conversation with him and state something like "ahh, good job you got me" and chances are you'll see they're just out for fun and have a good conversation. Most carebears only get harrassed by "griefers" after they've made an idiot out of themselves in chat.


^this

i dont see the problem in miner/industrial corps being disbanded by empire wardecs.

i once participated in a war against a miner/industrial corp that was being wardecced for their ceo being a smacktard. we killed his members, camped them in station, used locator agents to find the ones hiding ect.
it was obvious that said corp didnt stand a chance, all we demanded was an apology to drop the dec. he didnt want to apologize and continued smack talking, so we continued until his corp was decimated from about 30 people to less then 5.
we didnt want to kill his corp entirely, so we decided to drop the dec at that time.
our corp consisted of only 5 people.

i blame the ceo for the fall of his corp, all he had to do was to stop smacktalking and apologize. yet we were called griefers for making people leave his corp or even quit the game.

miners and industrialists call everyone griefer, be it some corp wardeccing them for money, or some noobcorp guy popping their barge through use of aggro mechanics.

that being said, form that alliance, i cant wait for you guys to get your asses handed to you by the next best 'griefer' corp bored enough to bother with you. YARRRR!!


Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2008.10.22 19:25:00 - [90]
 

You missed the point of this game, there is no "good guys" and "bad guys". Eve is the rat race - a quarter million people clawing at each other to get ahead of the rest of the pack.


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