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Dephar Arcarnum
Amarr
The Compass Reloaded
Posted - 2008.10.20 17:44:00 - [1]
 

Im either looking in entirely the wrong place or there is none. but is there an anti aliasing feature on eve because the jagged lines of the ships do annoy me a tad.

Daroek Ko'thon
Amarr
Blue Republic
Posted - 2008.10.20 17:47:00 - [2]
 

Has to be done from your gfx settings in windows, if I'm not mistaken.

Dyison
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.10.20 17:53:00 - [3]
 

There is no AA control within the games Visual settings.

If you want to force on AA then you will have to use your Video Cards Control Panel, and edit the Eve profile.

However, it is my understanding that on Nvidia hardware you cannot have both AA and Hdr Lighting. Since Eve makes use of HDR lighting (at lest the premium version does) you wont be able to make use of AA, even if you force it "on" in your game profile. This may or may not apply to ATI hardware, Im not sure.

Ascuris Wurm
Posted - 2008.10.20 18:43:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Ascuris Wurm on 20/10/2008 18:43:53

If you turn off HDR you can use anti-alias from your NVidia settings... but, while the ships did look better to me, the fps were affected quite a bit on my pc, so I ended up switching back...
(I have a 8600 GTS 256MB)


Xaria
Caldari
Ogame Veterans
Posted - 2008.10.20 18:49:00 - [5]
 

Does anyone actually know why CCP hasn't included an AA option into the eve client? It's quite annoying that I have to force AA on with the gfx drivers / nHancer, especially since it doesn't seem to work at all if you are playing in windowed mode.

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.10.20 18:52:00 - [6]
 

As said, DirectX 9 has a problem with it. Read here.

Dephar Arcarnum
Amarr
The Compass Reloaded
Posted - 2008.10.20 18:56:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dmian
As said, DirectX 9 has a problem with it. Read here.


if other games can support both then that cant be true

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.10.20 19:04:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum
if other games can support both then that cant be true

Hey!, don't kill the messenger.

Dephar Arcarnum
Amarr
The Compass Reloaded
Posted - 2008.10.20 19:06:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dmian
Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum
if other games can support both then that cant be true

Hey!, don't kill the messenger.


aha dont worry ill just tie you down and beat you YARRRR!!

Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2008.10.20 19:59:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum
Originally by: Dmian
As said, DirectX 9 has a problem with it. Read here.


if other games can support both then that cant be true


You're misinterpreting Lingorm. DirectX 9 has a problem with running both HDR and AA simultaneously, it can run one of the two just fine.

As to why they don't include AA in options and only let people activate it when HDR is off, I have no idea. Maybe they're just lazy?Razz

Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.20 20:13:00 - [11]
 

Put ur GFX card in the microwave for 1 minute 26 seconds exactly, this will force AA on it and make it uber!


Note: the 1:26 mins is for an 800 watt microwave, if your microvave is a lower/higer wattage please factor this in!

Cashflow Broker
Posted - 2008.10.20 20:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Put ur GFX card in the microwave for 1 minute 26 seconds exactly, this will force AA on it and make it uber!


Note: the 1:26 mins is for an 800 watt microwave, if your microvave is a lower/higer wattage please factor this in!


word

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.10.20 20:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: Dephar Arcarnum
Originally by: Dmian
As said, DirectX 9 has a problem with it. Read here.


if other games can support both then that cant be true


You're misinterpreting Lingorm. DirectX 9 has a problem with running both HDR and AA simultaneously, it can run one of the two just fine.



This is bull****. Read here how to run EVE with HDR and AA simultaneously.

Shard Merchant
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.20 20:55:00 - [14]
 

Pyramid quoting is prohibited.Applebabe

Be careful what you term bull****. DirectX 9 has a problem running both, it doesn't mean that it can't. The two features aren't used at the same time because it causes a massive performance hit. Go ahead sir, enable it and see. CCP isn't going to use what is essentially a hack, and put it in their options menu for people to complain about.

OMGJITA
Posted - 2008.10.20 21:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Put ur GFX card in the microwave for 1 minute 26 seconds exactly, this will force AA on it and make it uber!


Note: the 1:26 mins is for an 800 watt microwave, if your microvave is a lower/higer wattage please factor this in!


you win

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.10.20 21:05:00 - [16]
 

Pyramid quoting is prohibited.Applebabe
I've been running with both since the Trinity upgrade last November (?). No problems.

8800GTX @ 1920x1200 @ HDR+bloom low, shadows standard, 4xAA, 8xAF : 120FPS in space with a few ships. Low 30-20's with hundreds of ships during fleet action (all effects on).

Shard Merchant
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.20 21:19:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Shard Merchant on 20/10/2008 21:19:09
First, it does cause a massive performance hit. But are you talking about 120 fps zoomed out, with like one ship on screen? My overclocked 8800GT is virtually identical to your 8800GTX, and at 1680x1050 it would drop to 30 fps from 150 using HDR+AA. It would easily go up if I zoomed out where LOD factored in, but that's hardly useful.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.10.20 21:59:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Shard Merchant
Edited by: Shard Merchant on 20/10/2008 21:19:09
First, it does cause a massive performance hit. But are you talking about 120 fps zoomed out, with like one ship on screen? My overclocked 8800GT is virtually identical to your 8800GTX, and at 1680x1050 it would drop to 30 fps from 150 using HDR+AA. It would easily go up if I zoomed out where LOD factored in, but that's hardly useful.

Does 768Mb on the card make a difference? Running at stock speeds.

The 120FPS is not zoomed out, with 1-3 ships. I just undocked my alt at Oursulaert (SP?), and with 8 ships and the station, not zoomed out I got a variation of 88-102, with 95 most of the time. With about 20-30 ships it can go down to 50-80FPS, especially bad at a POS.

Fleet action is zoomed-out.

Aganola
Amarr
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.10.20 22:19:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: OMGJITA
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Put ur GFX card in the microwave for 1 minute 26 seconds exactly, this will force AA on it and make it uber!


Note: the 1:26 mins is for an 800 watt microwave, if your microvave is a lower/higer wattage please factor this in!


you win
Oh God!

I can see in my eyes! The poor - but entusiastic - newb...

Thinking that this will ACTUALLY help... does this...

OMG!

It's like the legend with the old woman trying to dry off her cat in the microwave oven... poor bastard got coocked at 1000w for 5 minutes or so! aarrgghhhhShockedConfusedRolling Eyesugh

MenanceWhite
Amarr
Emi Raaf's Corporation
Posted - 2008.10.20 23:15:00 - [20]
 

I previously made a topic on the Tech Lab regarding the same thing- no dev responses yet.

Why they can't have a function that allows either only HDR or AA is odd. I guess they're busy with other things atm.

DukeHilton
Posted - 2008.10.21 08:50:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: DukeHilton on 21/10/2008 08:50:57
Originally by: Dyison
There is no AA control within the games Visual settings.

If you want to force on AA then you will have to use your Video Cards Control Panel, and edit the Eve profile.

However, it is my understanding that on Nvidia hardware you cannot have both AA and Hdr Lighting. Since Eve makes use of HDR lighting (at lest the premium version does) you wont be able to make use of AA, even if you force it "on" in your game profile. This may or may not apply to ATI hardware, Im not sure.


Newer nVIDIA cards can do AA+HDR just fine.. Just not EVE... nHAncer and all the tricks that people are talking about doesn't work or it only works for the selected few. I'm just hoping CCP has this on their to-do list. Even if it is, they will prolly not fix it in the next 100 years.

And about the no-dev response: do you notice that for all the valid issues that are posted by memebers and where there is no dev-response (which is almost every) they simply ignore you all together or don't have a ****ing clue what to do about it?

CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2008.10.21 09:28:00 - [22]
 

We have posted about this issue in the threads that seem to turn up about once a month.

The correct Articles have been pointed too.

'Other Companies' that get referred to that have 'done both' actually either code a pre-rendering optimisation system before it gets passed to DirectX (from what I understand). As we wanted to make Premium available for the widest practicable set of hardware so HDR was used.


MenanceWhite
Amarr
Emi Raaf's Corporation
Posted - 2008.10.21 10:27:00 - [23]
 

But at least restore it on the classic client then :(

Speculative Sally
Posted - 2008.10.21 10:42:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Speculative Sally on 21/10/2008 11:39:24
You can force HDR+AA to work on ATI cards, or just AA in the classic client, if you: clone the eve\bin directory (make a copy and call it eve\bin-hdr or something), rename the eve.exe in the new directory to oblivion.exe, and finally create a shortcut pointing to the new oblivion.exe file with the "start in" path changed to the original eve\bin directory.

Now force AA in your driver settings and Bingo! HDR+AA.

For the record, the game looks pretty amazing with HDR+AA turned on but it runs like ass unless you've got a high end SLI or crossfire setup.

I just went through all of this tonight on my 4870x2, and some other garbage to clock only 1 core up from low power 2d mode when I run eve in a window. Annoying, yes.

Kazang
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2008.10.21 11:45:00 - [25]
 

AA > HDR


Molly Mayhem
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.21 12:21:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Molly Mayhem on 21/10/2008 12:21:35
Originally by: Kazang
AA > HDR


AA + HDR is full of win, and by win I mean frame lag.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2008.10.21 12:34:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 21/10/2008 12:34:06
Originally by: Razin
Pyramid quoting is prohibited.Applebabe
I've been running with both since the Trinity upgrade last November (?). No problems.

8800GTX @ 1920x1200 @ HDR+bloom low, shadows standard, 4xAA, 8xAF : 120FPS in space with a few ships. Low 30-20's with hundreds of ships during fleet action (all effects on).
Fascinating. I don't force AA+HDR but I have the same card and resolution. During FW fleet engagements (and some of those were pretty blobby) I think I occasionally saw my FPS drop below 60. I run with interval=1 so can't comment on how high it normally runs but if you're seeing low 30s then it suggests that AA+HDR is indeed a nasty performance hit.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.10.21 14:34:00 - [28]
 

I'm not sure what you have done with the SiSi build but AA is no longer possible to force (at least not with ATI cards).

The Slayer
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2008.10.21 14:54:00 - [29]
 

I can force AA on my system but HOO BOY does it ever rip the crap out of my machine. And it doesnt seem to ACTUALLY force AA either, just makes my computer run really slow without any graphical improvement. Awesome.

Gh0st Pr0wler
Posted - 2008.10.21 15:58:00 - [30]
 

AA and HDR is possible, I use it all the time at 1680x1050 and i get over 100fps. Even doing lvl 4 missions or fighting in pvp battles and maintain a decent frame rate.

It looks fantastic also, http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/phenoxan/ExeFile2008-07-2404-30-04-28.jpg


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