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ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2008.10.18 01:00:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: ShadowDraqon on 18/10/2008 17:02:48
I just got CONCORDOKKEN'd for "aiding a criminal" What i did was help a noob who was too poor to afford repairs and to shortsighted(in polite terms) to keep a repper in his hangar. I offered to help the poor noob since i HAD a remote repper. noob comes, i rep. while repping he starts shooting at me (says he hit f1 by accident). Gets flagged and concorded, and since i was still repping him, i too get flagged and concorded. pretty bad, considering i was in a domi. Sad

yeah yeah, roflmao at self Laughing
Now, whinage aside, i think this is a loophole which needs to be fixed. Don't say "stop whining" I petitioned like a sensible guy. But this loophole is still there. You should not get flagged if the guy gets flagged AFTER you start repairing him, or at least be given time to turn off the repper.
So, any thoughts?

Kransthow
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.18 03:15:00 - [2]
 

It wasn't a noob, you just fell for a stupid tick

Sepheir Sepheron
Caldari
1st Grave
Posted - 2008.10.18 03:36:00 - [3]
 

Doesn't it show a warning like "You are about to do something illegal and stupid, please stop because you're about to look ******ed in front of an entire system. Do you still want to do this?"

Push no next time.

Strill
Posted - 2008.10.18 03:50:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sepheir Sepheron
Doesn't it show a warning like "You are about to do something illegal and stupid, please stop because you're about to look ******ed in front of an entire system. Do you still want to do this?"

No it doesn't

And yes the OP is right. Concord needs to give people an opportunity to stop what they're currently doing if someone they're targeting becomes a criminal.

Nnamuachs
Caldari
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.18 06:36:00 - [5]
 

or dont do it anywhere outside the docking radius of the station, that way when you see someone go global you can just dock up without getting concorded since repping a criminal isnt a "hostile" action...

or the simplest solution, dont rep strangers.

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2008.10.18 11:51:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sepheir Sepheron
Doesn't it show a warning like "You are about to do something illegal and stupid, please stop because you're about to look ******ed in front of an entire system. Do you still want to do this?"

Push no next time.

Read it again. i was ALREADY repping him, he got flagged after i started repping. That's the loophole i'm pointing out.
Originally by: Nnamuachs
or dont do it anywhere outside the docking radius of the station, that way when you see someone go global you can just dock up without getting concorded since repping a criminal isnt a "hostile" action...

or the simplest solution, dont rep strangers.

I was in oursulaert, combined with concord suddenly popping up and going *BLAMM* *BLAMM*, i lagged to much to be able to dock, even though i WAS inside a docking perimeter

Originally by: Kransthow
It wasn't a noob, you just fell for a stupid tick

yeah, that's also a possibility. he didn't gloat tho, which i'm sure he would have if it'd been a trick, and that's still a big gaping loophole getting exploited.

Cassie MorMor
Posted - 2008.10.18 21:10:00 - [7]
 

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I lolled when I read it. Now on to the important part. As much as CONCORD warn you before commiting a criminal offence, they should also warn you to stop the "criminal" activity once it has begun, and in ShadowDraqon's case, it wasnt a criminal offence until the noob began his move, just like when they give you a certain amount of time to leave a certain sec space due to your standings.

By the way let me congratulate you on being the first victim of such a loophole.

\oVery Happy

TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.10.19 02:31:00 - [8]
 

that will teach you to be nice in game..Twisted Evil
in future loan the muppet a repper instead, let him fix himself.YARRRR!!

Sig Sour
Posted - 2008.10.19 02:52:00 - [9]
 

Yeah that is a funny one, as long as it didn't happen to me. I sense a plague on the horizon... and then a fix some time in 09?

Fullmetal Jackass
Posted - 2008.10.19 06:57:00 - [10]
 

I think it's funny you got nuked for aiding a dude that was shooting at you. It's also really stupid. I personally think the injured party should have to call concord. Kinda like choosing whether or not to press charges when someone commits a crime against you.

In the case of a players property in space, I supposed concord would still have to auto react.

Angelik'a
Gallente
Posted - 2008.10.19 13:17:00 - [11]
 

I'd probably have petitioned that as an exploit if i were you...

Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.19 15:05:00 - [12]
 

:/

At least let us know what the almighty GMs have to say about this in your petition ._.

Fearless Kill
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.10.19 18:45:00 - [13]
 

What no one else has done this before... lol you fell for a nice trick, i hope you had good lewt.

Post this in C&P and im sure you will see its nota "loophole" so much as its a concord assisted kill

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2008.10.19 20:04:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Angelik'a
I'd probably have petitioned that as an exploit if i were you...

hmm, damn, i sent it as a reimbursment petition, haven't had to petition anything 'cept isk sell spambots before >.<

JanSVK
Posted - 2008.10.19 21:10:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: JanSVK on 19/10/2008 21:10:35
It may be possible that you already had the warning turned off. It also pops when you use smartbomb in empire. Long time ago I suggested a separate warning or setting where the player can choose if he can do something that would NOT COULD but WOULD result in concording and not allow to activate or deactivate the module that would cause the concording.

I also suggest to petition it. If it really happend as you described CCPs logs will show that and you should get your ship back.

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2008.10.20 16:56:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: JanSVK
Edited by: JanSVK on 19/10/2008 21:10:35
It may be possible that you already had the warning turned off. It also pops when you use smartbomb in empire. Long time ago I suggested a separate warning or setting where the player can choose if he can do something that would NOT COULD but WOULD result in concording and not allow to activate or deactivate the module that would cause the concording.

I didn't turn the warning off. Remote repairing isn't illegal, but remote repairing a flagged criminal is. The guy I was repping wasn't flagged when i started, but when he shot at me and got flagged, I also got flagged for "aiding a criminal" without any warning.
Originally by: JanSVK
I also suggest to petition it. If it really happend as you described CCPs logs will show that and you should get your ship back.

and yeah, i already petitioned.

Lilith Order
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2008.10.20 17:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
that will teach you to be nice in game..Twisted Evil
in future loan the muppet a repper instead, let him fix himself.YARRRR!!


I vote this one.

ShadowDraqon
The Quantum Company
Independent Faction
Posted - 2008.10.20 18:27:00 - [18]
 

UPDATE:

The petition was answered, and i did not get my ship back. Which i think is unfair, since this really is an exploitation of a loophole in the game mechanics. Sad


 

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