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Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.12.06 17:18:00 - [91]
 


Speed.

Again and again.

Until the game is slow enough for everybody, including senior citizens, to be able to follow what happens on screen and react to it.

Shockedugh

InSession
Kill or Die Trying
Posted - 2008.12.06 17:28:00 - [92]
 

Hopefully cloaking, and logoffski because those are making 0.0 ratting = NO RISK.

But I have a feeling I'm going to be nerfed.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.12.06 17:53:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 06/12/2008 18:03:23
Wow, for those who say Minmatar will be nerfed?, are you dumb or what?.

First you wall scream and cry that the Minmatar are junk and crap and they melt to any FOTM Amarr BS ships anyday. And now you want them nerfed? LOL JESUSLaughing.

Well i think Amarr is the next thing that gets nerfed. Amarr just need a little nerf in the damage at medium range, also for close range fitted Amarr BS'es with Pulses fitted. I'm thinking from 30km and up.

The 2nd thing i think will get nerfed is Falcons. They need a nerf in the ECM range. Get them to have a max range of like 100-120 km. Then it will be good. Well i'm not telling to get them nerfed in the jam strengts and that, just the range.

RedSplat
Posted - 2008.12.06 18:09:00 - [94]
 

Next nerf will be cloaks or lasers

MOCC3
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.06 18:43:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: MOCC3 on 06/12/2008 18:44:29
I say Minnie Arts. They want them to suck even more, then Cloaks.
After that People that fly frigs in combat who notice that Warrior II eat you...But when the guy with the WarriorII is 3 years old.. bet he has good SP.Sad

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2008.12.06 18:49:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: NupetietVer
From a business point of view, buying GTC's with ISK will be up next. No way a company would let players pay for the game with in-game money. Once an alliance is big enough to hold 0.0 space and mine those golden roids/rats, that means free GTCs, i mean ETCs. And as it stands, EVE is the only MMO that allows buying ETCs with in-game money.


lol like anymore than 3 to 8 people actually get so incredibly rich from holding 0.0 that CCP is scared.

Everyone else has to do it themselves.

Next nerf should be cloaks on non-cov op spec ships

Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2008.12.06 19:07:00 - [97]
 

ECM. I've heard rumors CCP is nerfing it anyways.

SniperWo1f
Rage of Inferno
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2008.12.06 19:39:00 - [98]
 

i dont think ecm will be a seeing a nerf it's been nerfed already and has decent counters . everybody cries about falcons but they are made of paper .

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2008.12.06 20:46:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: SniperWo1f
i dont think ecm will be a seeing a nerf it's been nerfed already and has decent counters . everybody cries about falcons but they are made of paper .


ecm doesn't need tank or drones, it works at 200+km just fine. if you are pvp'ing as in under 200km from target, just stay cloaked. ppl don't fly rooks much for a reason

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2008.12.06 21:03:00 - [100]
 

AAAARGGGHH!! Stop posting in this thread, you're giving them ideas!

Lusian
Posted - 2008.12.06 22:18:00 - [101]
 

Other then keeping the game mechainics in check there shouldn't really be any nerfs.

So many nerfs have hure the ships and moduels. Some ships were overpowere like the Vindicator during its time. The caldari did splash damage i believe back in the day wit missiles. Just being next to the explosion you would take on damage.

There have been many uneeded nerfs. Speed nerfing was a must. Takeing the nerf to the myrmidon and Vindicator was amust. Tings what were out of perportion. But some nerfs really need to be taken off. I dont fly caldari or use misiles but the Caldari were nerfd in ways that didnt need nerfing.

I would have to go with haveing little or no real use for resistance moduels anymore lol. I would laugh my A$$ off if that ever happened.

CHAOS100
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.07 00:18:00 - [102]
 

i go with anything that kills small pvp or anything that wont work with less than 100 in gang

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2008.12.07 01:20:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: NupetietVer
Edited by: NupetietVer on 17/10/2008 00:02:16
From a business point of view, buying GTC's with ISK will be up next. No way a company would let players pay for the game with in-game money. Once an alliance is big enough to hold 0.0 space and mine those golden roids/rats, that means free GTCs, i mean ETCs. And as it stands, EVE is the only MMO that allows buying ETCs with in-game money.

Time to standardize the game like any other MMO and rake in the money.

Note: And while yes someone has to buy a GTC in RL, they fact that you can buy a GTC with ISK is something unique. Hence above.


Falcons are a possible nerf if everyone whines enough but normally it wont happen

Nuets may get changed a little but doubtful.

I'd say jamming drones are next, maybe sniping tracking enhancers could be nerfed a small amount... but really the game feels pretty damn balanced right now.

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2008.12.07 01:22:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: SniperWo1f
i dont think ecm will be a seeing a nerf it's been nerfed already and has decent counters . everybody cries about falcons but they are made of paper .


ecm doesn't need tank or drones, it works at 200+km just fine. if you are pvp'ing as in under 200km from target, just stay cloaked. ppl don't fly rooks much for a reason


I fly rooks. I want you to see me, and I want your buddies to have a shot at me as well. I fly to get shot at without any ewar normally, but when people drop entire fleets on little ol me I even the odds with a rook/scorpion.

For me a falcon is useless other then the cloak, which i wouldnt use anyways as im always moving and Ill it ends up being nothing but a hassle.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2008.12.07 02:18:00 - [105]
 

Scorch

Calvin Roh
Posted - 2008.12.07 02:19:00 - [106]
 

I believe that EWAR will prolly get the boot, but that is only because of the number of peoples complaining about it - I think its fine.

On a general note about the "what nerf is next" subject and some of the responses seen - it seems that everyone wants this game to become shades of GREY, where this game is really about specialization and variation. If something seems lopsided, then you need to understand its weaknesses and fight against that. Staying with the EWAR example, as was stated already EWAR ships are made of paper that pop VERY quickly. So quit trying to build your alpha-strike-buff-tank and fit ECCM, painters, webs. Or, assemble well rounded fleets that are composed of more than just tacklers and DPS boats...

More on the next-nerf question... With the introduction of T3 ships, there will be soooo many degrees of specialized and varying ships being flown that this topic will diminish to only the very big game killers, it will be too difficult to put a finger on one ship vs. another as being problematic. Perhaps a lesson to be learned, in advance, is that we will be afforded the opportunity to build highly specialized ships, but with that you get a niche-role in a fleet and therefore have more weaknesses than you will strengths, so be prepared... Perhaps this lesson will have some unforeseen consequences on the T3 intent and force everyone to the middle with ships that try to do a little of everything, because you will never know what you will be meeting in combat and must therefore prepare for everything.

I know i got a little off topic toward the end, but i do think it was relevant to the whole "complain -> nerf -> complain about being nerfed" syndrome that takes up way too much forum space.

IMHO

Calvin

Hroya
Posted - 2008.12.07 02:31:00 - [107]
 

The Ocra will be nerfed first.
"oops, that wasnt intended, lets adjust that"

Cloaking wont be nerfed, instead you get a new skill tree to find cloaked ships.


Snaps
Posted - 2008.12.07 07:47:00 - [108]
 

drones!

ecm drones are to good!

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2008.12.07 08:37:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: SniperWo1f
i dont think ecm will be a seeing a nerf it's been nerfed already and has decent counters . everybody cries about falcons but they are made of paper .


if you keep saying it





it will become true.


Falcon Troy
Caldari
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.07 08:40:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Falcon Troy on 07/12/2008 08:40:31

Originally by: NupetietVer
Edited by: NupetietVer on 17/10/2008 00:02:16
From a business point of view, buying GTC's with ISK will be up next. No way a company would let players pay for the game with in-game money. Once an alliance is big enough to hold 0.0 space and mine those golden roids/rats, that means free GTCs, i mean ETCs. And as it stands, EVE is the only MMO that allows buying ETCs with in-game money.

Time to standardize the game like any other MMO and rake in the money.

Note: And while yes someone has to buy a GTC in RL, they fact that you can buy a GTC with ISK is something unique. Hence above.
Ah another ****** that doesn't understand how GTC work in EVE. CCP loses no money in the trade. The only difference is you have one person paying for two people with real cash and him being paid in ingame money for the deal. CCP still gets paid. They get even more money this way because poor *****es with no lives can still play the game, getting others to pay real cash for them.

[EDIT] After 4 pages I assume somebody already mentioned this, but I just felt the need to anyway.

AkRoYeR
Amarr
Posted - 2008.12.07 08:43:00 - [111]
 

They will take CIs face back.

Kebabski
Vae Nexon
Neon Equinox
Posted - 2008.12.07 12:19:00 - [112]
 

They should keep the game as it is, i's allready utterly ****ed atm. falcons overpowered, u can't even try o fight 3 ships on ur own unless seeing some kinda of jamming ships. Webs need to get buffed to atleast 75% and the speed nerf was too drastic, a coro mate's panther is now more than twice as slow as it used to be, officer webs got utterly nerfed, they're just a tad better than faction. Cov ops cloaks are fine, maybe the other cloaks could change a bit. ECCm needs to get buffed. And i srsly can't see why people have probs with caps, just coz their alliances suck and can't afford em doesn't mean they're bad. They're easy to kill, easy to counter and they'd be useless if they couldn't do what they do now, they're not effing logistics ships after allLaughing

Minny Sky
Posted - 2008.12.07 12:25:00 - [113]
 

gtc price will just go up duh .... 1 bil for 60 day?more?

Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: NupetietVer
From a business point of view, buying GTC's with ISK will be up next. No way a company would let players pay for the game with in-game money. Once an alliance is big enough to hold 0.0 space and mine those golden roids/rats, that means free GTCs, i mean ETCs. And as it stands, EVE is the only MMO that allows buying ETCs with in-game money.


lol like anymore than 3 to 8 people actually get so incredibly rich from holding 0.0 that CCP is scared.

Everyone else has to do it themselves.

Next nerf should be cloaks on non-cov op spec ships

Minny Sky
Posted - 2008.12.07 12:27:00 - [114]
 

this

Originally by: Pohbis
Scorch

Ocih
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2008.12.07 15:42:00 - [115]
 

If it means you can solo, it will be nerfed.


Master Han
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Posted - 2008.12.07 15:53:00 - [116]
 

They need to nerf the nerfbat, it hurts way too much and as such is imbalanced.

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2008.12.07 18:11:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Minny Sky
this

Originally by: Pohbis
Scotch



yes, let those flying wrecks fall apart

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.12.07 18:20:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: NupetietVer
From a business point of view, buying GTC's with ISK will be up next. No way a company would let players pay for the game with in-game money. Once an alliance is big enough to hold 0.0 space and mine those golden roids/rats, that means free GTCs, i mean ETCs.

LOL you're an idiot.

Sylper Illysten
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2008.12.07 23:04:00 - [119]
 

Misisles. Lets face it, the fact that missiles can do any damage to anything is completely unalanced.

baltec1
Posted - 2008.12.07 23:27:00 - [120]
 

My battlebadger. Because if they dont nerf the falcon directly it will be ECM.

I also expect pilgrims to be nerfed because I have I can now fly themNeutral


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