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Isk Ho
Stupid Spoiled Ho
EVE Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:33:00 - [1]
 

First to post about this in MD!

Linkage

woot! xx

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:44:00 - [2]
 

Wonders never cease.

Of course I can see the CCP offices aflutter with activity. "OMG, they are going to rampage over us.... get out press releases for good stuffz, get out QEN, ..."

The dangling continues... ...

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.10.16 16:23:00 - [3]
 

Okay <putting down his QEN> good report.

Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
Posted - 2008.10.16 19:58:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
Of course I can see the CCP offices aflutter with activity. "OMG, they are going to rampage over us.... get out press releases for good stuffz, get out QEN, ..."


That's the vision I had. The release of Quantum Rise (and now the QEN) coincides too neatly with the ghost training nerf to be a coincidence. Someone at CCP mashed the panic button... but I'll take the distraction anyways.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2008.10.16 21:26:00 - [5]
 

how do i print this off to read with out printing the pics? noob on pdf sorry

Balogh
Gallente
Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
Posted - 2008.10.16 21:30:00 - [6]
 

What's wrong with reading it on the screen? Printing costs ink and paper, so help save your wallet and the environment and don't print it, please :)

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2008.10.16 21:46:00 - [7]
 

I think the Dr. saw EBANK's Year End report and said "OH NO! That's right I need to get this thing out!, Can't have those EBANK guys making me look like a noob!" Twisted Evil

Uilliam Nebel
Amarr
13th Udorian Rangers
Posted - 2008.10.16 22:05:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Uilliam Nebel on 16/10/2008 22:13:59
While I agree that it was a good report, I am not so sure what the analysis is.

From these numbers in the "Producers of Eve" section.

"An interesting way of approaching this is to determine how many characters are involved in production at any given time. Overall there were approximately 500.000 characters in EVE, represented by 236.000 players, during Q1 2008. We were surprised to discover that only about 10% of all characters, or about 50.000, had a production job in any given month during this timeframe.

However, over the entire quarter almost 100.000 unique characters had a least one production job. This means that 20% of all characters produced during this period, but much fewer of the characters were engaged in what we would define as “constant” production, i.e. continuously having at least one production job. There were only 20.891 characters that produced constantly throughout the first quarter of 2008, or just over 4% of total characters in EVE."

And these statements from the "Mining Ship Production & Loses" section in the summary at the end.

"The largest Tech I ship (the Covetor) is the most commonly produced, but more than 70% of those ships are used to produce the II variant, the Hulk. We do not show the total number of each ship type at this time, but at last check the Hulk ranked as one of the top 5 ships in the EVE Universe."

That troubles me as it suggest there may be a off balance in the industry model Eve has, specifically mining to production. Yes, one in five characters produced some item. But no clear number is offered of what percentage of these items were sold in the market, or of what type of items. While a relative 3 to 4% were in continual production. To me this points to production only being profitable for a very slim number to maintain on a regular basis, while the rest were only producing for their own or their corporations use, and others could only get into production states when it was profitable for them.

Also if the highest mining production per hour ship is also estimated to be the fifth most popular ship in Eve, where is all that raw material going to? If it is only profitable for 3 to 4 percent of Eve to produce items at a constant, and only twenty percent of Eve even produces items at all, yet the overwhelming majority of items in the Eve market are player produced why is there enough demand of raw materials for the Hulk to be bought in these numbers?

"In total, there were 14.777 new Hulks built during Q1 2008. Some 6.122 Hulks were destroyed, resulting in a net increase of 8.655 ships."

Add this and it gets even more odd. With a loss of 6,122 Hulks, there were still 8655 more out at the end of the quarter mining. The drops in the MPI for the quarter at the end may indicate there was perhaps a state of over mining, despite the jihad on Hulks. Also the 1% deflation hit.

Looking at this, it almost seems like people are mining away with Hulks, to simply produce more Hulks, even though there is not a true demand for the materials needed from all that mining by producers?




Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.10.16 22:31:00 - [9]
 

Could you quote bracket tag the part of the report you are commenting on? Just a pain trying to figure out where your comments are.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.10.17 00:16:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tasko Pal on 17/10/2008 00:25:52
Massive duplicate post swarm. Sorry.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.10.17 00:19:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Tasko Pal on 17/10/2008 00:32:48
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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.10.17 00:24:00 - [12]
 

Interesting how a massive spike in hulk production (450 came out when daily average is 150) coincided with the real (not official) start of Jihad Swarm. Given that you can't make that many on the spur of the moment, seems likely that one or more large batches of hulks coming out determined the timing of the start of the Goonswarm campaign.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.10.17 00:25:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tasko Pal on 17/10/2008 00:32:57
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
Posted - 2008.10.17 02:31:00 - [14]
 

Wonder how much of a hulk sink the banning of macrominers is.

Talking like Yoda wonder why I.

CornerStoner
Posted - 2008.10.17 03:13:00 - [15]
 

Better late than never. (I suppose)


Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2008.10.17 04:37:00 - [16]
 

Good report, glad to finally know he understands the linkage between the lower mins, the linkage between the upper mins, and how they both relate to the total overall basket. The first report coupled with posts and actions sorta made myself, and others around here, stop and do a Picard facepalm moment.

Its also nice to see a somewhat official, even if vaguely disguised recognition of the problem with T2 production. That being the chokehold at the mat level (moon minerals). He doesn't come out at say it, but it is there and is nice to know someone on up high realizes the issue.

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.10.17 05:41:00 - [17]
 

Well I'll be damned. They actually managed to produce more than one a year.

Mr Horizontal
Gallente
Posted - 2008.10.17 07:33:00 - [18]
 

Is it only me, or do you get the feeling this report only shows the impact of Goons on the game? Basically the Delve figures were so high as this period was the peak of the assault on Delve, and Tortuga etc, and then the 'massive spike' in suicide ganks of roidsniffers is none other than the infamous Jihadswarm... really, who cares?

What I need to know is what the the value of the entire EVE economy is, the 'Gross User Product' as well as what is listed in the QEN with the various indices.

Alex555
Posted - 2008.12.01 07:31:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mr Horizontal


What I need to know is what the the value of the entire EVE economy is, the 'Gross User Product' as well as what is listed in the QEN with the various indices.


i suppose that now it is easier to calculate GUP then ever before. Since plex item has been introduced it is now obvious what is isk exchange rate.


Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
Posted - 2008.12.01 07:56:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Frenden Dax on 01/12/2008 08:00:36
Originally by: Alex555
Originally by: Mr Horizontal


What I need to know is what the the value of the entire EVE economy is, the 'Gross User Product' as well as what is listed in the QEN with the various indices.


i suppose that now it is easier to calculate GUP then ever before. Since plex item has been introduced it is now obvious what is isk exchange rate.




Look! NecrobumpingOpen discussion is killingbettering MD by removing proper posting etiquetteelitism! I feel nauseatedimproved.

Alex555
Posted - 2008.12.01 11:19:00 - [21]
 

if u have nothing to say , u dont have to say anything at allVery Happy

Havok Pierce
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.12.01 18:47:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Alex555
if u have nothing to say , u dont have to say anything at allVery Happy


Curiously enough, what I got out of the parent post is that you posted in an old (and largely forgotten) thread.

He feels that the influx of new posters here in MD has, in this case, brought an increase in the demand of smackdowns with regards to forum etiquette (and lack of observation thereof). I could have the supply/demand markers backwards, however.

In short, quit resurrecting threads older than a month just to spout the obvious.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.12.01 20:58:00 - [23]
 

When did Molden Heath become 0.0? Shocked

Andres Talas
Posted - 2008.12.01 21:30:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
When did Molden Heath become 0.0? Shocked


Dunno. I left MH for first GW and then Curse, because they were safer.

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.02 00:53:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Havok Pierce
Originally by: Alex555
if u have nothing to say , u dont have to say anything at allVery Happy


Curiously enough, what I got out of the parent post is that you posted in an old (and largely forgotten) thread.

He feels that the influx of new posters here in MD has, in this case, brought an increase in the demand of smackdowns with regards to forum etiquette (and lack of observation thereof). I could have the supply/demand markers backwards, however.

In short, quit resurrecting threads older than a month just to spout the obvious.


In my mind, the rule of thumb is 2-weeks, it's not necroing until then.

The poster was right on the line which could warrant complaint but he actually used the damn search tools and posted in an appropriate thread. I'll happily take that over every noob starting a thread with their inane and 100-times answered questions.

Hence, I say "thanks for searching for the topic."



As far as the economic reports go, I think they need to just be honest and start calling them Annual Economic Newsletters.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.12.02 19:42:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kwint Sommer

In my mind, the rule of thumb is 2-weeks, it's not necroing until then.

The poster was right on the line which could warrant complaint but he actually used the damn search tools and posted in an appropriate thread. I'll happily take that over every noob starting a thread with their inane and 100-times answered questions.



2 weeks? Mr H's post was on 10/17 and Alex posted a reply on 12/1, that's a bit longer than 2 weeks. (atleast using my Playboy Calendar).

Juraka Furo
Caldari
Warped Mining
Strip Mining Club
Posted - 2008.12.02 21:32:00 - [27]
 

"Believe it or not, there are reports of a Dreadnought sitting in hi-sec asteroid belts - mining!"

Man! I wonder who that is! Who would ever think of mining with a dread? the pilot must be a total noob. Anyone know his name? I kinda feel sorry for him.

:P I <3 Chribba

Ami Nia
Posted - 2008.12.04 00:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
2 weeks? Mr H's post was on 10/17 and Alex posted a reply on 12/1, that's a bit longer than 2 weeks. (atleast using my Playboy Calendar).
Kwint's calendar is context sensitive and self tuned to Dr.EyjoG's timescale for this thread.
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