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CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.10.16 14:15:00 - [1]
 

It's been a long road, getting from there to here, but the QEN is finally here. Dr.EyjoG and his team has worked hard and you can read about it, and of course the QEN, in his blog: Quarterly Economic Newsletter, 1st Quarter 2008 is finally here.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.16 14:23:00 - [2]
 

wooot! finally!

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.10.16 14:32:00 - [3]
 

\o/
and the next ones soon I hope Wink

jbob2000
Gallente
Degenerate...
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:01:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: jbob2000 on 16/10/2008 15:13:35
Grr... PDFs? Cmon...

Interesting thought that most mins are mined. Maybe most of the higher ends, but I would think that most of the lower ends came from refining loot from missions.

Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:01:00 - [5]
 


Very nice! Nice pixies too. Very Happy

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:05:00 - [6]
 


Nate D
Hell's Rejects
The Council.
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:07:00 - [7]
 

Good stuff in here Dr.EyjoG!

MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:11:00 - [8]
 

Dr.EyjoG, You are not forgiven. If you had taken 2 minutes to put up a post at the time the QENs were due, explaining that you were understaffed/overtaxed, then you might have been.

Missing schedule: forgivable if communicated.
Failure to communicate: unforgivable.

MDD

CCP Dr.EyjoG

Posted - 2008.10.16 15:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Dr.EyjoG, You are not forgiven. If you had taken 2 minutes to put up a post at the time the QENs were due, explaining that you were understaffed/overtaxed, then you might have been.

Missing schedule: forgivable if communicated.
Failure to communicate: unforgivable.

MDD


Very good point! And agreed!Embarassed

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:24:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Dr.EyjoG, You are not forgiven. If you had taken 2 minutes to put up a post at the time the QENs were due, explaining that you were understaffed/overtaxed, then you might have been.

Missing schedule: forgivable if communicated.
Failure to communicate: unforgivable.

MDD


Very good point! And agreed!Embarassed


Embarassed indeed

MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:26:00 - [11]
 

I made a quick scan of the report, and have a suggestion for the editor for future ones: Please use consistent comma & period notations in the numbers. Sometimes period is used for the thousands separator (European style), sometimes period is used for the decimal point (US style). Likewise for the comma. There's even one paragraph where they are mixed in the same paragraph:
Quote:
In total, there were 14.777 new Hulks built during Q1 2008. Some 6.122 Hulks were destroyed, resulting in a net increase of 8.655 ships. However, the kill-to-production ratio for Hulks was 41%, whereas other mining ships had kill ratios between 13% and 36%, indicating that Hulks were the prime target. With an estimated average value of 100 million ISK per Hulk, the total value of destroyed property was a staggering 6 trillion ISK. For comparison, the overall trade value of all EVE markets ranges between 2.0 2.5 trillion per day.


MDD

iudex
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:26:00 - [12]
 

Woot ! Finally !! Very Happy

Shaun Livingstone
Royal Fleet Auxiliary
Collegium Amarria
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:33:00 - [13]
 

Comment from RL mate when I showed him the QEN: "That one goes to 11".

Agree with previous poster tho, a simple "sorry, won't make it on time, busy busy busy" would've saved the forums a lot of grief.

Of course, then they would've just *****ed about someting else so I guess you can't win.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:35:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 16/10/2008 15:35:45
HAHAHAHA 6 trillion in destroyed hulks YARRRR!!

oh and nerf ravens! selling more ravens than geddons, domis, and tempests combined Mad

could we perhaps get data for all battleships?

Muscaat
EVE Markets
Posted - 2008.10.16 15:40:00 - [15]
 

This just in: a number of ships have been destroyed outside Jita 4-4 this afternoon. Pilots talk of being struck by unknown vessels, described by witnesses as "porcine". Laughing

Seriously: Thank you, Dr.EyjoG - hopefully we won't have to wait quite so long for the next one!

Trypho
Minmatar
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.16 16:20:00 - [16]
 

Thanks for the fine report! Very Happy

DaDutchDude
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.10.16 16:24:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: DaDutchDude on 16/10/2008 16:24:10
First off: Finally! I'm glad you're back on track and have added staff to support your efforts. I don't think anyone should underestimate the importance of your work, since EVE Online is the only game where a large scale player dominated market plays such an integral part of game play, and investment in that area should reflect its importance.

I'm hoping the next QENs follow quickly, because this one contains old and therefore less relevant information. I'm not sure what the process towards creating the QEN is, but I would have preferred Q3 to have been published first. I hope you recognize that it's better to have poor info now then good info months overdue, since I have to make my decisions now with what little information I have and don't have the luxury of waiting until I have the full story.

EyeCeeYou
Posted - 2008.10.16 16:31:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: EyeCeeYou on 16/10/2008 16:32:17
Thanks for the report - very interesting!

Would it be possible to get a short statement on current trend when reviewing the various info? Just a 1 liner like here it could be "2Q 2008 numbers appear to hold the trend" or "Preliminary 2Q 2008 numbers indicate a possible reversal, with sales appearing to be decreasing." Something. Anything.

Minor typo at page 8, reproduced below.

For the low end minerals this drop is across all mineral types (tritanium, pyerite, isogen and mexallon) but relatviely most in tritanium that drops by 28% in February 2008 compared to January.

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.10.16 16:38:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: 'Report'
On average there are just over 2 characters per account, which means that the number of active characters in-game is approaching 500.000.


Could someone try to explain to him that these alt slots are often used to just mess around with character generation. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't then go on to base later sections of the report on it making their results meaningless.

Other than that the reports are quite interesting, thanks for taking the time to produce this even if it is rather late.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.10.16 16:44:00 - [20]
 

Good to see this one out and great to hear that you're on track with resourcing to deliver the remaining QEN!

Qob
Posted - 2008.10.16 17:08:00 - [21]
 

The analysis should have subtracted the T1 barges used to build the T2 exhumers. This would have given a better picture of the mining barge market.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2008.10.16 17:31:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: 'Report'
On average there are just over 2 characters per account, which means that the number of active characters in-game is approaching 500.000.


Could someone try to explain to him that these alt slots are often used to just mess around with character generation. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't then go on to base later sections of the report on it making their results meaningless.

Other than that the reports are quite interesting, thanks for taking the time to produce this even if it is rather late.


Iirc this was already mentioned after the first QEN and remedied by adding a minimum SP requirement to the selection process. So these are alts that have trained a bit.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2008.10.16 17:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Qob
The analysis should have subtracted the T1 barges used to build the T2 exhumers. This would have given a better picture of the mining barge market.


He does mention that 70% of the covetors are used to build hulks.

Pela Fharun
Posted - 2008.10.16 17:41:00 - [24]
 

Is there a page where all the quarterly newsletters are visible from - all I have seen are direct links to the newsletters themselves.

Thanks

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2008.10.16 17:56:00 - [25]
 

Great report, glad to hear that there will be more and that you will be communicating your schedule to us, the QEN's are actually an economic tool; if we can rely on regular reports (maybe we could even agree on certain data that could be regularly released as part of these reports) than it really helps to take the EVE economy to that next level of realism and dynamisism.

Galmar Grief
Caldari
New Eden Research Organisation
Posted - 2008.10.16 17:56:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Galmar Grief on 16/10/2008 17:57:29
Page 8:

"relatviely".

Someone offer the good doctor a dictionary. Or a spellchecker.

Since we're at it:

Haradgrim, you need one, too. Dynamisism? rotfl.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2008.10.16 18:04:00 - [27]
 

Dear Dr.EnyoG,

The position T2 BPOs have within the EVE market has been a bone of contention since the introduction of invention. In general, one can say that because of the high and continuous investments needed for invention (not needed for T2 BPO owners), and because of the relative efficiency that can be achieved through research, T2 BPO owners can always outbid inventors, or, depending on the specific market, will always make more profit than inventors.

Overall, this leads to a loss of efficiency in the market as the equilibrium of the T2 market is not Pareto optimal: a dead weight loss, or the excess burden of the T2 BPO holders' monopoly. Needless to say, it also has an adverse effect on the equal opportunity for all players to participate in the T2 market.

My questions are as follow: will the position of T2 BPOs within the T2 market be addressed in a future Quarterly Economic Newsletter, and if so, when may that be, and will it include measures to be used to address the situation (as was the case with the shuttle refining situation)?

Given the urgent need for such measures, and keeping in mind the general format of the Quarterly Economic Newsletters, I, and I believe many with me, would also welcome a Dev Blog about the situation is well as an alternative.

I think I speak for many (industrialists) when I say that resolution of the T2 BPO 'situation' is by now long overdue (much more so than this newsletter) and that the disruption this has caused to the T2 market is a matter of great resentment among those that have invested so much time and effort in invention.

On another note, I welcome the return of the Quarterly Economic Newsletters, have read this with great interest, and look forward to more.

Fastercart
Gallente
Ornery Cantankerous Curmudgeons
Posted - 2008.10.16 18:09:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Quote:
(believe it or not, there are reports of a Dreadnought sitting in high-sec asteroid belts mining!)

Screenshot or it didn't happen. d: The next QEN should have a picture of this rumored Dreadnought in action. (:

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2008.10.16 18:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Fastercart
Screenshot or it didn't happen. d: The next QEN should have a picture of this rumored Dreadnought in action. (:


Setup screen

Zoomed in shot of mining laser on dreadnought

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2008.10.16 18:58:00 - [30]
 

Nice newletter.

I have an observation about it: while the number of subscriptions increase steadily, since 6 months or more the number of peak users online seem to remain stable.

That mean that players, on average, spend less time connected.


This can be interpreted several ways, but I think the two main factors are:

- A relative lack of novelties. I played Eve for 4 years now, and I think only the 200mm, 350mm rails and heavy assault missiles have ever been added in all this time. Now about ships. While new ships have been added frequently, you see a surprising lack of them used in pvp. Electronic attack frigs are shunned because of their fragility, Marauders because of their building cost.

I think Eve need new medium warships, from destroyers to battlecruisers.



- The 0.0 landscape. It is human nature, when planning an offensive or trying to resist an incoming offensive, to seek advantage over the opponent, which mean having superior numbers. That mean factions always get bigger and bigger, and well, you know the result. Lag, lag, huge lag, and lots of 0.0 regions are relatively devoid of life. Because the players holding it are busy fighting elsewhere, and because large entities can't tolerate smaller ones unless they're allies/renters.

I don't see this as a healthy situation for the game. But, because it would be going against human nature, the steps taken to solve this, if CCP wish to do it, will have to be extremes. How to stop too many players from siding together? The only way I see to do it would be to put a cap on alliance size, and removing any ingame way from one alliance to distinguish one neutral from another in 0.0. No alliance tag, no show info, no standings, no local communication. While this is indeed extreme, try to imagine 5 minutes how 0.0 would be like with those changes. I honestly think Eve would be more fun...


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