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Carovan Craver
Posted - 2008.10.20 07:33:00 - [391]
 

why is it that every time that we get something new (patch or expansion) players start complaining before we even can try the new changes and see the whole picture of it?

the expansion is indeed free, no matter how you look at it. you pay for your account, to keep the servers running and to keep CCP alive, you don't pay anything for the updates.

if all those who whine about future changes would stop playing EVE just because they fear that they would actually have to adapt their way of playing, then we who stay will have less of a lag problem in-game.

short story:
don't worry about changes, it will turn out to be good in the end anyway.
"life is change, change is life. the ones who can't adapt will not survive"

Heftige Henk
Posted - 2008.10.20 08:26:00 - [392]
 

Originally by: Newo lkkin
Originally by: Drew Falcon
Originally by: Newo lkkin
will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?



Just what the hell did you just say...


hmm i have screenshots of them from the TriExtractor tool, also a few other unreleased ships in there too. heres pics of the mini-titans, im sure someones seen them before though:

amarr
caldari
gal
min



I think these are pictures of the old titans. Titans have been in the game from the beginning. CCP always wanted to implement them into the game but it took them a very long time. I think these are the old desings that where implemented on the day that EVE was released. So there will be no mini titans in the game with this expension. I think that the motherships already fill the role of mini titans anyway.

Arra Lith
HUSARIA
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.20 08:56:00 - [393]
 

Seems like big nerf to missiles-based ratting ships incoming (10x lower explosion velocity = less dps than turret ships to rats). And to compensate nano ships will get nerfed. But missiles will be useless in most pvp fights anyway - cause of non instant damage (some can fly 1 minute before reaching target that just warped away...).

So that mean propably missiles wont have any use now at all.

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2008.10.20 09:50:00 - [394]
 

hehe such a massive expansion its lost its sticky already

Lord Callous
Posted - 2008.10.20 11:51:00 - [395]
 

Edited by: Lord Callous on 20/10/2008 11:53:51
Edited by: Lord Callous on 20/10/2008 11:52:26
Originally by: Emily Tong
Its a diversion tactic you see, stopping ghost training has ****ed off so many people they need to divert their anger away.

It's still a fix to something that was broken, so these angry people should deal with this reality.

Now about the expansion... Having expansions is always sweet, especially when they are for free, looking forward to see what are the changes to industrial ships.

Jarod Hawke
Gallente
Mindstar Technology
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.10.20 12:01:00 - [396]
 

Originally by: Carovan Craver
why is it that every time that we get something new (patch or expansion) players start complaining before we even can try the new changes and see the whole picture of it?

the expansion is indeed free, no matter how you look at it. you pay for your account, to keep the servers running and to keep CCP alive, you don't pay anything for the updates.

if all those who whine about future changes would stop playing EVE just because they fear that they would actually have to adapt their way of playing, then we who stay will have less of a lag problem in-game.

short story:
don't worry about changes, it will turn out to be good in the end anyway.
"life is change, change is life. the ones who can't adapt will not survive"


Perhaps because with everything they add, they add more bugs and they refuse to fix most of them... There are so many older persistent bugs that CCP apparently just refuses to address..

If they want us to be happy when they add something they need to increase the QA of their new things and increase the DEV's awareness to the agony that is peresent amongst the players about the truckload of bugs in the game.

Voltaire Leriel
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.10.20 12:27:00 - [397]
 

Edited by: Voltaire Leriel on 20/10/2008 12:45:11
This storefront thing is a waste of time. "Building trust in their goods"? If I can't make a Modulated Strip Miner II any better than anyone else, then the only thing that matters is the PRICE.

I don't know how CCP hasn't noticed that NO ONE CARES who they buy things from.

Complete waste of time, just like the recruitment system. They should spend their time overhauling the interface, not adding more useless features to bog said interface down even further.

And when I say overhaul the interface, I don't mean make it more customizable (i.e. make more windows that never seem to remember where i want them OR that i have to set up seprately for all 9 of my characters). I mean REALLY revamping it from the ground up.

Avenger Garius
Posted - 2008.10.20 12:45:00 - [398]
 

For the speed nerf, are rats going to get nerfed? How about those mssions with huge as distances between the gates? Like Mordus Head Hunters lvl 4 where there's a 60km distance from the warp in point to the gate?

thearrowofapollo
Gallente
The Fallen Angels Unit
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2008.10.20 12:54:00 - [399]
 

Originally by: Esmenet
If the speed nerf comes in it, the expansion will suck nomatter what else is in it.


probably because thats the only way kill folk ;) can't wait for the new expansion woot

Gartanus
Caldari
Gartanus Corp
Posted - 2008.10.20 13:07:00 - [400]
 

Edited by: Gartanus on 20/10/2008 13:10:54


Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy I am liking the Orca. The gates are ok, but the Orca is sexy!! RazzRazz

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orca2.JPG

And with textures (Not the correct skin i think though, but it has orca as name):

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orcaskin.JPG & another: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orcableu.JPG

And a little movie: http://eve-files.com/dl/175929



p.s.: I can open the gate thingies will post them soon(tm).


Edit: here 2 border gates (Amarr) without textures:
http://eve-files.com/dl/175930 - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/gate2.JPG

and the smugglergate:

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/smugglergate.JPG




Now give us the specs and skills :)

Msgerbs
Gallente
Imperial Assualt Guild
Posted - 2008.10.20 13:43:00 - [401]
 

I don't think certificates is a good thing, unless a pilot can choose not to show them off. Otherwise you will know exactly the skill level of the person you're fighting, and it becomes more like WoW where you run around looking for someone of lower level then you.

Xi Tzu
Amarr
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
Posted - 2008.10.20 16:38:00 - [402]
 

Originally by: Msgerbs
I don't think certificates is a good thing, unless a pilot can choose not to show them off. Otherwise you will know exactly the skill level of the person you're fighting, and it becomes more like WoW where you run around looking for someone of lower level then you.


as it stands you can set all public or just the ones you want or none at all... at least thats how it stands on sisi atm

Ramond Kaletree
Caldari
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
Posted - 2008.10.20 16:50:00 - [403]
 

Originally by: farfrael
Originally by: Press Release
Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update


nice, more stuff the linux/mac users won't be able to use !
thanks so much CCP for your officially supported client who's only about 12 months behind the curve ... yeah


Well if your that worried about having great graphics and only have time to complain about CCP then get off your a**, buy a pc and stop b****ing. Enjoy the game like the rest of us on hereWink

Tornikeh
Posted - 2008.10.20 19:31:00 - [404]
 

I think the updates and expansions are good generally, as they maintain the development process, which is needed in everything. So I have no problems with this new expansion, even if it changes the way I am playing ATM a little bit. This is what makes many players angry-they get used to the system and try to live (=play) every day the same way. Which is boring and not realistic. So I'm all for these expansion news.

doubles ondoubles
Posted - 2008.10.20 21:42:00 - [405]
 

i haven't ghost trained yet, although i did like the idea that if somehow you needed to step away from the game for an set amount of time you would still skill up.

I do think CCP went way overboard with this. What i think they should of done is nerf the time it takes to train the skill if your ghosting. Let say the while active you train at 1000SP an hour. If you go inactive you would train at something like 300-600 skill points an hour. In addition make an moderate rank skill to increase the amount of sp an hour you would train whil inactive. Call it something like suspened animation: each level decreases the penalty from ghost skill training by 7% or something like that. of course with out the skill you can't ghost train. That might enable CCP to get an extra month of active out of some accounts.

As a trade off give active accounts full skill queues. Even better would be to fully intergrate into eve mon, so you can make a skill plan and set to your que and forget.


Laskin Veldstar
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.10.20 21:46:00 - [406]
 

Edited by: Laskin Veldstar on 20/10/2008 21:46:13
Sheesh,

You'd think people in here would be under the belief that CCP is somehow secretly conspiring against their own customers. By the sounds of what I'm hearing from some people, I'd gather that CCP is nerfing stuff on purpose because they like to see the people that give them money suffer.

A few questions to any of the posters that have been greifing about this latest expansion. Do you not believe that the nerfs put in place are to balance issues that arise via previous changes and in preperation for future changes to inevitably make the MMO a better place to be? With how much your trash talking their hard work to deliver us a better product, is this to state that other mainstream MMO's don't have these flaws? If CCP angers you so much why do you play? You want to make a real statement, quit. Your not under contract.

I appriciate the fact that CCP continues to release free expansions AS WELL AS simultaniously working to resolve bugs and other known issues. Sure, they haven't been able to hit every issue, but if they halted expansion of the game to fix every bug, we would never see another release.

For those of you who complain about a change made in the game, complain, you have the right. However! When you complain please refrain from "Whaaa they nerfed my missles" and make an intelligent arguement to why the change is bad for the community and what could be done to make the game a better place (in a constructive manner).

Now, on to my view of what I have seen so far being released in the expansion. Definate pro's to the certification system. Glad we have the ability to toggle it on and off. All's I need is for some Caldari swine to know what I'm capable of mounting on my ships. I wish I would of had this when I started playing EVE. I have alot of skills I do nothing with.

I haven't had a chance to read up on the product stamping/store front idea yet however. I will be looking up more on that shortly.

Anyways, I just wanted to put in my two cents on what is not suprising to see on the EVE Online forums as far as many of it's users go. Looking forward to Quantum Rise.

Thanks.

*Edited for gramatical errors.

Niblet666
Posted - 2008.10.20 22:37:00 - [407]
 

well done ccp...Mad
i have a snake set and its useless now.. who should pay for that snakes.!!! could u give the sp wasted in navigation or isk wasted on that implants after that expention!!!.. bah!!! u killed nano ships and remove a type of tanking from game.. well nwm i shouldnt expect something diffrent except nerf from ccp.. and the other guys who r yelling like crazy.. nona nerf! nano nerf! imagine u spend ur time and ur damn isk to x or y stuff and some one takes it from u with a nerf what did u guys feel.. nwm.. hope u enjoye the game as u want like WoW or other damn nintendo style games..
sry for my poor english..Exclamation

Gartanus
Caldari
Gartanus Corp
Posted - 2008.10.21 05:36:00 - [408]
 

Edited by: Gartanus on 21/10/2008 05:36:34
Originally by: doubles ondoubles




As a trade off give active accounts full skill queues. Even better would be to fully intergrate into eve mon, so you can make a skill plan and set to your que and forget.




I think this is one of the best ideas I have heard here. Very Happy Can I please get my face BACK!!! Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Quicktime
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.10.21 11:28:00 - [409]
 

Edited by: Quicktime on 21/10/2008 11:34:50



Just so people know I don't fly Nanos, but enjoy killing them they are a great joy to kill and fight, they make the game more fun. FUN is the key word, go play SISI and speak up if you think the game is more fun with those changes or less? Learning new things is fun, that reason alone could be enough for you. Flying a multibillion isk ceptor is huge rush and a lot of fun for me it's gone on SISI or Quantum of Solace.

Honestly I would rather pay for a good expansion with proper testing, content, features, then a low budget add on that makes me want to quit playing, they don't give the Expansion's away, you pay every month for development, the mask of "free" is great marketing, some of you foolish people think they you are getting something for nothing, oh the joy of being young and dumb.

Time will tell on the subjective nature of game design, I made my vote and encourage others to do the same, enjoy your time in Eve I did this past two+ years, few more days and it will be over for me.

It even inspired me to fire up my old friend the Crytek2 engine and start to mock up a new space game, easier more like a WOW in space, limit the server so you can have great 200 man fights, land on the planets to run space dungeons, play poker in the space casinos for Eurisk "cross between a Euro and Isk" two races to make things easier on the art team, battle arena's where you can join "real-time" combat or arcade control of your ship for low ping player on player fun, gambling on the fight, built in racing, transfer of power TM "your WOW or Eve character will be converted to our system for signing up for a 6 month subscription with no additional cost to you!", Player own station combat will be like being in a B-17 bomber, takes a few days of training actually using a POS for gaining the skills, then you can operate a death star, carriers actually carry ships containing player...

I could go on but why ruin the surprises! Your days are numbered CCP, one ****ed off engineer working his ass off to crush you like empty beer can against my melon! Since I do not enjoy your game any more I will make something better! Hey where are the VC's funding crazy people these days, oh jebus they are here and I am naked again... damit oh the humanity, ok zipped up and ready to present New Eve we built it in the good ole USA so we can help the US based players with good spawns after our down time instead of the euro that get support from CCP.

Enjoy your last Fan Fest! Iceland is melting Sarah Palin told me so, and I believe her she was a beauty queen, get a nice raft, and Leo DiCaprio will save you again...

This was dam fun to write...and yes I named my character after a program on my desktop, we engineers have no imagination...



Britainius
Posted - 2008.10.21 11:35:00 - [410]
 

I look forward to seeing the changes but like people have said, I can't help but see that ccp do these patches not just to make the game more interesting, but to mould the game into the direction THEY want to see it materialise into...and not what the players want.
Nerffed complex's are a typical example for starters like the one in Traun.
They should introduce new things and let the Eve community deal with it.

Triffon
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.21 13:32:00 - [411]
 

i think this could be good

is there a release date for this ??
this was said and i dont think its out yet

CCP, one of the world's leading independent game developers, today announced the launch of the ninth free expansion for EVE Online

charismatic
Posted - 2008.10.21 16:00:00 - [412]
 

whats up with the cruise missile explosion velocity of 55 ms, with 60% of player using ravens for mission runing / ratting for isk this could pose an economic problem over time

Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.21 16:39:00 - [413]
 

Originally by: Niblet666
well done ccp...Mad
i have a snake set and its useless now.. who should pay for that snakes.!!! could u give the sp wasted in navigation or isk wasted on that implants after that expention!!!.. bah!!! u killed nano ships and remove a type of tanking from game.. well nwm i shouldnt expect something diffrent except nerf from ccp.. and the other guys who r yelling like crazy.. nona nerf! nano nerf! imagine u spend ur time and ur damn isk to x or y stuff and some one takes it from u with a nerf what did u guys feel.. nwm.. hope u enjoye the game as u want like WoW or other damn nintendo style games..
sry for my poor english..Exclamation


It happens to all parts of the game. I lost my long range torps...but I adapted and I still get to use them. And then there was the carrier nerf, and then the shield got adjusted on the drake, and then we lost some resists accross the board for explosive damage, and then..... And look, I'm still here blowing ships up.

Figure out a new way to pvp. That is what the rest of us are doing, so while you are whining about how you can't fly fast we will be blowing you up using new tactics.

If you can't handle a change in a virtual world, how do you survive change in the real world?


Karl Mort
Posted - 2008.10.21 16:41:00 - [414]
 

It amazes me how people do not appreciate the hard work done to provide a fun game. It is true that not everyone can be pleased.

CCP has provided a game that in their best interest is the best mmo. Some think Star Trek Online will be better, some say WOW has better features, yet others say they can make a better game.

"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"

CCP, I sincerely thank you for making this game. It is fun and hope that the new enhancemetns will make it better. Keep up the good work.

A brief message to those who think EVE is not what you want, apply to ccp as a developer, see if you get the job, realize working to develop a game is different than complaining about it, realize that a feature you thought to be cool others call it the worse thing ever, and then come back and read your posts.

JAME5 KIRK
Posted - 2008.10.21 19:34:00 - [415]
 

agreed karl ,
"you cant please all of the people all of the time but you can please some of the people some of the time"

out of the several hundred thousand subscribers, the few neysayers that can be bothered to post are a tiny fraction of the ingame populace.

so, ccp may do something you may not like,. make a constructive post, come up with a better idea, post it through the proper channels,. you never know something might happen. or....just winge and whine here.

ive been playing since beta and there have been many many changes in eve since then, some i agree with , some i do not, but on the whole they game has improved massively from what it started out as.

And yet again this is a FREE upgrade to the game, as has always been the way of eve.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.10.21 19:53:00 - [416]
 

i don't appreciate the missiles changes, missiles are the least successful now... making them unsuccessful against NPC will not make game better

Quicktime
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.10.21 21:10:00 - [417]
 

Originally by: Karl Mort
It amazes me how people do not appreciate the hard work done to provide a fun game. It is true that not everyone can be pleased.

A brief message to those who think EVE is not what you want, apply to ccp as a developer, see if you get the job, realize working to develop a game is different than complaining about it, realize that a feature you thought to be cool others call it the worse thing ever, and then come back and read your posts.


I do Karl been making games a lot longer then CCP. I talked to CCP about a job, the pay isn't good and to work on Eve you have to live in Iceland, moving from California to go there doesn't make any sort of sense. I will keep working on games here, and or digital animated films for Dreamworks. I respect the game and work or I wouldn't waste my time on Eve, right now I assume while the engineers are working on all the changes the lead designer has been playing Warhammer Online, and working on the Vampire design, Warhammer has caught up and passed Eve in a very short time, all these things are considered when making design decisions for the future of Eve, and rightly so, it's the reality of making games you make them for money as well as the joy of making them, but by trying to change this game to another one is a decision that tosses the hardcore player base out the window, in hope of replacing us with new people. New people are great, they haven't seen every mission over and over again, and they can reuse what currently is in the game and not worry about making new content to give the old time player more to keep us interested best thing about new players is they don't know what they have lost as they have no reference point to the past.

Changing many of the mechanics for combat in the 5th year of release is suicide, Warhammer 40k will be great, predicted to take 40%+ of the Eve customer base.

Detritus Thermopyle
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.22 01:10:00 - [418]
 

New expansion features look great. I have decided to start developing plans for my in-game
Cheese Storefront, as there appears to be an inexhaustable supply of pent up demand
throughout the known universe. Wink

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.22 02:04:00 - [419]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: ThePuce Moose
does this contain 'walking into stations?'
CCP has been totally silent on when Ambulation is coming and has neither confirmed nor denied whether it is included in Quantum Rise. One would assume that such a huge feature would be mentioned in the announcement of Quantum Rise, but on the other hand, they seem to be aiming to hype up Ambulation at the Fanfest and saving any announcement for therein.

Perhaps it is unlikely, but I am hoping for a surprise announcement at the Fanfest that Quantum Rise includes Ambulation.

Let me dream.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise does not include new content.


Fixed for you

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.22 02:10:00 - [420]
 

Edited by: Todoshi on 22/10/2008 02:11:45
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Howatch Johalla
It is always nice to be able to count on good fun and lots of smiles when reading the forums when new expansion is advertised.
We're having fun over in Chribba's thread.
Originally by: Howatch Johalla
For me this expansion looks like a good one even if it is a bit thin.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is a staged delivery and began with the deployment of technology features, StacklessIO, EVE64 and hardware upgrades, as well as features such as the autopilot avoidance. The main reasons we're deploying the expansion in stages is that we wanted to be able to measure a before-and-after of the technology improvements and also to minimise deployment risk.

Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more stuff yet to be announced.


I wasn't aware that standard procedure in MMO's was to add content in a patch and then two weeks later annonce it as being part of a new expansion, really you seem to have a lack of anything to annonce.

So what do we get with this Update(i say update because theres not enough there at present to be called an expansion)

1. Weapon Stacking
Nice an addition that will be very useful

2. Store Fronts
Maybe cool for the first few weeks, will have to wait and see how indies use it.

3. Certs
Muh, more clutter

4. Orca
Well i'm not an industrial player but any new ship is a welcome addition, thats if its a new ship and not another reskin...seriosly did you guys go to the diablo school of design where you take 1 mesh and just skin it slightly differently to make it appear that there are alot more ship types than there actully are?

umm and bug fixes, i have to say of every mmo i've played this has to be the single most pathetic excuse for an expansion i've ever heard of, thats not to say though that the "and lots more" could really make it a worthwhile one

currently all i see if a patch with a new splash screen


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