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freddy madball
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [151]
 





-1 account, but no whining or complaining ive decided i dont really need a miner/builder/hauler now because of this. My main will still remain active of course till the end. and it is fair enough, pay to play and all of that. no pay, no sp gains. ok i can get by with that, on my ONE main account.


ive decided that this is a blatant lie about game balance, on top of the gtc changes, and poor performance, as well as LACK OF ABILITY..OR DESIRE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ISK FARMERS who deplete game resources that real game players could certainly use instead.. because hey they pay for their accounts right? you pay lip service to being anti macro it seems, and if one were to really think about it with all of the things you have done recently to real players....you wont do anything to upset all those isk farmers in the ice belts will you? of course not, especially by looking at your current track record. They represent income.

and gtc sales for isk? how is that game balancing? other then balancing your pockets instead of isk farmers pockets?

the current upswing in people turning on long skills and ghost training ( a feature you have SOLD as part of the game in your own posts and threads) is probably completly in relation to the current global economic crisis.

At least be honest about your reasons, and not lie, because if it was about balance, there is a whole laundry list of things that were far more importan then this ghost training that should have been tackled.

Avion Triux
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [152]
 

I cannot believe you're actually going to try and pass that liquid pile of **** you seem to think is an acceptable answer off on us.

This actually makes me feel quite ****ing stupid for paying for this ****ty game for the last 3 years, I hoped my money wouldn't help turn what was once a company that cared about its customers and its public image into another faceless ****stain who cares for nothing more than their bottom line and will **** all over anyone to protect it

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Kif
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Reihai
-1 account here.


+ Isk and stuff here ---->


I hope you enjoy eves slow transformation into a generic Korean grind MMO

-1 account, and no you cant have the isk because its not subscribed Shocked and nor will it ever be again


EVE is already a Grind MMO. Instead of grinding XP to lvl up we Grind missions and kill npcs for isk. This enables us to LVL up buy buying skill books and better ships.
So basically the same, just not bright colours and elves.

Jack O'Connal
Minmatar
Merkhan Industries
Anarchy Unlimited
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [154]
 

At this point I'm not sure what I'm more angry about the loss of an advertised feature or the disrespect CCP is showing towards it's customers.

Originally by: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).


QFT


Shmak DatAsh
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [155]
 

- 8 accts

Great job CCP!Rolling Eyes

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 - [156]
 

"We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.

Torfi Frans Olafsson

Senior Producer of EVE Online"


And how many pairs of shoes does your wife/Girlfriend own - and how many can she wear at once. Does she pay repair on those other shoes all the time or only the ones she wears. There endith the logic.

Personaly I've never done ghost training as only actualy ever owned one account, but two things here:

1) The change itself - poorly thought thru and technicaly I dare you to prove that it wont with this change actualy add more work to the database due to the extra event check of subscription now being in play - daily...

2) The timescale its being implemented. Given the rules of how to win friends and infulence people I can see you actualy read the mirror-version. Why not give 2 months notice upon this. If its like you said you slowly saw this comming (albiet 5 ruddy years).


So given point (2) if you were to say 2 months until actioned then your'd be ****in off alot less people, simply put. But thats called PR in Public Relations and not Prat Rants.

I feel for those in the armed forces who go away for long periods, this will generaly hit them more.

But seriously, very badly thought out and the reasons have more elequently been portraid too you already.

Lets face it its just because the UK goverment technically branded Iceland terroists - C'mon admit it :p.


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:54:53
Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:54:36
Originally by: Aganola
posting it again just to **** them off:

http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=167

excerpt:
Quote:
Quote:
EVE has a unique approach to character advancement. Your account has the ability to train one character at a time no matter whether you're online or not, so if you start a training session before you go to sleep it will continue its advancement in real time while you are sleeping.



The first part is unrelated to this, and so using it only weakens your arguement. It relates to skills training on active accounts while you are offline.

Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS
Quote:
Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things?

Yes, of course.
Quote:
We are gamers.

You are - sorry, i know English not so well as i wish - but in Russia peoples like you we call "(censored)".
Quote:
We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.

I am truly hope that you lose A LOT OF money in this... Ahm, how its on english... In Russia we call this "(censored)".

-1 accaunt (maybe -2)

Cheers Arrow



holy cow I thought I was a bad poster

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:54:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Mhaerdirne Solveig
Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS
Quote:
Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things?

Yes, of course.
Quote:
We are gamers.

You are - sorry, i know English not so well as i wish - but in Russia peoples like you we call "(censored)".
Quote:
We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.

I am truly hope that you lose A LOT OF money in this... Ahm, how its on english... In Russia we call this "(censored)".

-1 accaunt (maybe -2)

Cheers Arrow



holy cow I thought I was a bad poster


you are

Duvaren
Amarr
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:54:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Peter Greed
The news about ghost training being removed hurt a bit, yeah. Fair enough though, All good things come to an end. However, the 'bug' explanation is outrageous.

Hey, maybe a 're-do'? When will that 're-do' statement be ready? I can write it for you:

************
Dear players,

We know the beloved ghost training nerf comes as a shock for most of you. It has really been enjoyable watching everyone e-suffer about it. We apologize about the 'bug' statement that was made earlier. The gentlemen had never heard an explanation, so he naturally assumed the 'ghost training' feature we have all been talking about for years was really something else entirely.

So, we need more income. We realize blunt force truth rarely works these days, but we got a memo today telling us that our playerbase wasn't full of hacks and asshats. Now, we've manned up and handled business. We only regret that we can't collect interest from the tears of all the e-tradgedy.

Thanks, we all hope you enjoy playing this MMO as much as we enjoy modeling ourselves like any great Sony MMO.
-The Eve Fatcats


Greed sees Greed.


Amen brotha.

If CCP decides to allow multi-character training as compensation I might go for that though.

Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
Evi1 Empire
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:54:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 13/10/2008 23:51:56
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
they just want to be paid for the service they provide! You work for free, right?)


Actually. Yes.

The vast majority of people who work in a professional capacity go far beyond their contractual requirements, to provide a better service to their customers.

CCP has advertised this as standard service for 5 years now, and suddenly we're a bunch of cheating thieves. It leaves a bitter taste.

I think we must write petition on Torfi Frans Olafsson - he is harassment all EVE community.

Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:55:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: GO MaZ
QUICK GUYS POST A DAMAGE CONTROL BLOG THEY'RE ALL SO STUPID THEY WONT REALISE IT AND EVERYONE WILL FORGET IT IN 6 HOURS


How ****ing stupid do you have to be before you acquire a position of power at CCP, just outta curiosity? (I'm pretty stupid, I could probably be your Economist)


no no, you're misunderstanding, it's a "bug", we should thank CCP for fixing it and all head to bed dreaming of 500 Vs 500 fleet battles with no ghostie lag.

Actually...I can't even post sarcastically as it's just too damn rediculous..."We've researched for the last 5 years and discovered the cause of lag was ghosts"

Quick, call for Scoob and the gang.

QuarlSWE
Minmatar
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:55:00 - [163]
 

This is so much bull****!

Why not nerf the players that cancel their accounts by simply make one-time-use-only "30" days gtc?

I only have one account and when my gtc's runs out im out off this game, eve isnt that good it worth paying 60bucks for getting a new kind of ship.

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:55:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Alekanderu
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Chestnut Stallion
-3 accounts


bye, all your stuff via contract to me. Thanks


why do you keep posting this? do you think you're making some kind of point?


ok ok il stop. i was just bored and enjoying the whine of the hour. Got a bit carried away. Il try to post constructivly. Anyway, most people will have a good whine and forget about it and still play on with their many accounts.

NephI AsantE
Sad Panda Inc.
Pandora's Box.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 - [165]
 

To all the people saying stupid stuff like...

"I'd like to see the numbers after all this settles out and see how many _really_ leave."

I'd say that what you need to compare is how many accounts do xfers soon, how many accounts go from having 1+ character to those that then have 0 characters (due to xfers or recycling all characters), how many subscribers the total goes down related to the previous two issues.

What CCP should see if all the people consolidate/close/quit as they claim will be an overall reduction in the number of accounts. Since we can't "close" our accounts the number of accounts claimed by CCP will remain unrealistically inflated (it helps them on sites that track number of accounts).

I will be consolidating, and I wish I could perm close the accounts that I have 0 characters on.

NephI AsantE

ZW Dewitt
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Dev Blog
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.


Yet you don't notice the huge avalance of ISK sellers with random names who are CONSTANTLY making new trial accounts to spam their ads?

Maconha
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Maconha on 14/10/2008 00:03:35
this is how CCCP (ops it was only CCP hehehe) is going down

wacth it from the minute 3:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rERl4yoZhKs

Wod
Gallente
Fallen Pandas
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 - [168]
 

CCP IRL PIRATES, C/D


and I bet they are tasting sweet sweet tears right about now.

Charly Quickfire
Ceptacemia
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:57:00 - [169]
 

"We make a product, sell it, get salaries and then continue maintaining the product and making it better."

Very valid argument, but
a) your PR is lacking heavily. Did noone think of the impact this would have and what feedback it generates? And now your damage control post states it as being an unintended feature even though it is in your own player guide? Damage control PR also lacking!
and
b) it is my assumption that this will rather decrease your revenue instead of increasing it (and as inactive accounts for sure dont cost you that much to maintain this will directly hit your bottom line).

Nevertheless, I hope to be proven wrong, because more money means more improvement for EVE. We'll see.

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:58:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Shmak DatAsh
- 8 accts

Great job CCP!Rolling Eyes


You must be trolling. Why on earth would you have 8 accounts. Shocked

GeekWarrior
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:58:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: NephI AsantE


What CCP should see if all the people consolidate/close/quit as they claim will be an overall reduction in the number of accounts. Since we can't "close" our accounts the number of accounts claimed by CCP will remain unrealistically inflated (it helps them on sites that track number of accounts).

I will be consolidating, and I wish I could perm close the accounts that I have 0 characters on.


EXACTLY what I will be doing. 6 accounts to 3 is a start, maybe even further.

Itoria
Winter's Legacy
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:59:00 - [172]
 

Sell this as a feature. Advertise on it. Throw those with lives, active service, families to attend, field trips to go on in courses, back to school, moving homes, skimming down the expendatures, a nice juicy bone to draw them back when they have the time and a few pennies to throw on their pasttimes. Give them a small egg of satisfaction when they come back from their real life trials to find something shiny has finished training.

Oh no wait, hang on, didn't we band-aid that 5 year's ago? Oh look, slap a stamp on it and call it a bug, anything to make the addicts of eve's relaxing gameplay shell out a few more precious pennies to line the pockets of a company rather than enjoy a small piece of coding.

Ooops.

Here's your sign.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:00:00 - [173]
 

Rofl.

49 page thread didn't need to be locked just because you guys posted a dev blog (something you should've done first, btw). After all, the dev blog is basically "get stuffed".

Is there some new tangent for us to discuss in this shiny clean thread?

Saraah Leeown
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:00:00 - [174]
 

Great stuff, I play eve online, not "unsubscribed skill training online"
Please make sure all RP etc is stopped on an unsubscribed account to thanks.

Bye bye deadwood Very Happy

Maconha
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:00:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Maconha on 14/10/2008 00:03:12
the new simbol for ccp

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/rammstein24/ak-47-cccp.jpg

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:00:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Cosy Ceaon
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0810/isabug.jpg
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug


No need to stretch the forums about it.

King Geedorah
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:01:00 - [177]
 

I hear comparing two dates and setting a date when people start / stop a skill is SERIOUSLY database intensive, I mean if that won't bring down the RAMSANS what will?!

The fact you first try to pass this off as a bug, and then a known resource hog, and then the fact that you don't like people running multiple accounts on a limited budget, is just obscene.

David Ironman
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:01:00 - [178]
 

So with the ghost training 'bug' history you're going to allow the queuing of skill training, right?

DrJ Zoidberg
Perkone
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:01:00 - [179]
 

This is bull. What load does an inactive subscription put on your servers or database? All it has to do is basically run a timer....you can't log in, and you can't do anything, so you're basically not using up ANY resources, which is what I'm paying for when I'm actively subscribed. I can't imagine that any amount of Ghost Trainers put any significant load on your database. LIES, all of it.

-1 account

britishfish
Minmatar
The first genesis
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.10.14 00:02:00 - [180]
 

hmmm well what with the way cash is these days i think i will be going on extended leave for a long time.
never thought i would see the day but

-3



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