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Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:53:00 - [1681]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere

If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...


Well, it's the country where i live that makes it like that, and the very reason i was playing eve is because i could pay with ingame money, now i can't do it effectivelly anymore :(

Karma
Vortex Incorporated
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:54:00 - [1682]
 

Originally by: Loyal Servant
Holy crap!
You can't cancel if you wanted to!
They disabled account access!

probably the accountpage cracked under the stress of all those alt accounts being canceled.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:54:00 - [1683]
 

Originally by: Endena

I have 4 accounts with well developed mains on it. If I faced skills like Capital 5 or BS 5, I was glad to put that account in ghost training. Most of the skills for a char with 40 mil SP take longer. I can use on my computer anyways only 2 accounts on the same time. After my inactive account had done his ghost training, it came back with a nice new toy. It was like getting a new char sometimes and made the game more exciting for me.

Consequences are clear: I reduce on 2 accounts. I will not train such nervkilling high rank skills on 2 extra accounts, which I hardly use. It would have been nice to get an extra command ship from another race or an other capital class ship. But if CCP think, I do not need this. NP. In the end CCP will get less money and the risk is rising, cCP lose a player, who played this game almost every day, because he might get bored. And certainly CCP will not get more money from me. When I started this game, I wanted only 1 account anyway. Now I have 4. Seems to be time to do some cleaning and cost cutting.





lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I rarely ever paid for!!

That will teach them a lesson they won't soon forget! All you rage quitters need to get it together ... On the other hand, you are providing me with a lot of entertainment since I can't play EVE right now.

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:55:00 - [1684]
 

I'm actually going to reverse my earlier view, which was that I don't mind these changes, because of the dangerous precedent this sets. If this isn't going to be allowed on inactive account, what's next? RP? Market Orders? Contracts? Research slots? Manufacturing?

Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?

Gedhay
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:55:00 - [1685]
 

Edited by: Gedhay on 14/10/2008 13:56:11


btw, if this is a "bug", then why i have 3 characters and i'm training only one of them??? i'm not paying for the account?? and the account have 3 characters, dont they?? this is a "feature", not a "bug"???

ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 - [1686]
 


Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 - [1687]
 

Originally by: Simon LBowerbank
BPO? What?


Presuming Tech 2.. Aren't those reserved for BoD Twisted Evil

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 - [1688]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!

The key right there.

Getting paid sometimes is more profit than getting paid never.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:58:00 - [1689]
 

Originally by: ingenting
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x253/hayate_yagami/000534wv4fc2.jpg



that picture stole part of my soul ... :(

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:58:00 - [1690]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.


If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.

NupetietVer
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:59:00 - [1691]
 

Originally by: Astria Tiphareth

Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?


Indeed, since these skills take an @$$hat to train, why not their by Experience scrolls or something to use? Try telling a new player he has to wait 2 months and $35 dollars later before he can fly a BattleCruiser. Dikt move on your part CCP.

Arimai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:59:00 - [1692]
 

Quote:
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.


Let's say CCP had 600K active chars last downtime.
Skills dont need to be checked to see if they ended until someone logs in. So the load on the cluster is passive until someone logs in (think in tuples of accountid, charid, skillid ,start sp, start time, endtime).

Please explain how 600K rows can be hurtfull?
Will ccp soon delete inactive characters too?

If the db load is the true subject, please be quick with releasing a patch that increases subscription cost based on transactions, items that characters have. The amount of data used for that should be a few orders of magnitude bigger then skill training.

If it's 'we want income', just be clear about it, and drop the bull****..

PS: Bit of a shame that account management is down right now, that's another odd 'coincidence'. I guess petition will work to cancel subscription though :/

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:59:00 - [1693]
 

Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!

The key right there.

Getting paid sometimes is more profit than getting paid never.


Getting people to pay all the time is better than people paying once or twice a year.

Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on.

Gunner
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 - [1694]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some ****, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess Crying or Very sad


If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...


So Eve is for the rich?

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 - [1695]
 

Originally by: NupetietVer
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth

Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?


Indeed, since these skills take an @$$hat to train, why not their by Experience scrolls or something to use? Try telling a new player he has to wait 2 months and $35 dollars later before he can fly a BattleCruiser. Dikt move on your part CCP.


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Triksterism
Spacecataz.
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 - [1696]
 

Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.


If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.



I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.

However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:01:00 - [1697]
 

Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.


If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.


Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:01:00 - [1698]
 

Originally by: Taat Ricedi

So can u tell me
how did you pay for me when my account was inactive?


I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on.

So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you.


You don't pay - you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair.

omglollolol
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:02:00 - [1699]
 

AWESOME ! I congratulate you on finding ways to earn more money!

Check this tards!

1st account (40$/2 months)
2nd account (40$/2 months)
3rd account (40$/2-4 months) Being Ghosttrainned.
--------------------------
vs.
1st account (40$/2 months)
2nd account (40$/2 months)
3rd account (40$ fee for transfering 2 chars) - no more money for you....

boohya

Lerand Gaunt
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:02:00 - [1700]
 

Originally by: Howard Atkins
Originally by: Lerand Gaunt

Bye, bye. We are happy to see you leave. One less 10-year-old forum whiner...



Iam glad that you brought some very valid points that explain what you did not like about my statement. But dont be worried, my easily-insulting-others-without-reason friend, i do have one account that will stay active :) Or maybe i should put sarcasm tags in the text?

- H.A.


I did not state the points I founded childish in you post because they are (at least to me) so blatantly shown. If it were ment to be sarcastic, I must appology, I did not see it. I might take things bit too seriously but I do have to mention that reading all these whines it tends to become hard to spot sarcasm :)

Part was this:

"Either -2 accounts, or my demands are met (yes, we can play this both ways. Lets not forget: Customer is King!):"

First thing that came to my mind was this scene I see frequently in my local store: A 10-year-old child sitting on the floor, grabbing mothers foor shouting "Unless you buy me that lollypop I will hold my breath untill I die!"

Maliartis
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:02:00 - [1701]
 

I will be permanently canceling my two alt accounts if this goes live.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:03:00 - [1702]
 

Originally by: Gunner
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some ****, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess Crying or Very sad


If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...


So Eve is for the rich?


lol

Just saying, that if paying for EVE is breaking your budget perhaps you should reevaluate your lifestyle and maybe look into setting some new priorities. Doesn't exactly take a freaking millionaire to pay $15 a month does it?


Endena
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:03:00 - [1703]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Endena


lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I rarely ever paid for!!

That will teach them a lesson they won't soon forget! All you rage quitters need to get it together ... On the other hand, you are providing me with a lot of entertainment since I can't play EVE right now.


You read my text wrong and your empathy attributs are also quite low. You are Achura and CAOD forum ***** on your main, amirite? Razz

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:04:00 - [1704]
 

Originally by: Maliartis
I will be permanently canceling my two alt accounts if this goes live.


You better hurry up then Twisted Evil

NupetietVer
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:04:00 - [1705]
 

Heck yea Eve is for the Rich.

Jacked up prices on GTC's. This new skill training so you now have to be tethered to you computer.

Thanks for excluding your existing and new playerbase CCP, you just standardized this MMO to WoW. Wow, look at your profits fall klownshoez!

Sahara Eternity
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 - [1706]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
I paid because your account needs database space, with each patch that affects the characters the database needs to be updated also even for inactive accounts and so on.

So you didn't pay for it, someone else did and the only people who are paying are those active subscribers. They paid for you.


You don't pay -you get nothing. Simple, easy and fair.


LOL, Your logic sucks btw.

1) If I pay and don't log in do I get my monney back ?
OR
2) If I pay and for some reason the precios batabase im paying for, decides that it wold not start in the alocated time (DT) do I also get my monney back ?

ju4n1ta
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 - [1707]
 

With ghost training nerfed, d'ya think it would be a good idea to hav "My Account" part of your webpage operational? Or will it be down untill next patch and we can all go **** our selves?

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:05:00 - [1708]
 

Originally by: Triksterism
The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.

However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module.

Very true. I have never Ghost Trained, but if I was to leave the game I'd consider coming back if I had a nice shiny to return to.

Cheers,
Arrs

Mika Katon
Gallente
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:06:00 - [1709]
 

Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Lord Fitz
If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.


I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.

However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module.


Exactly.

I was planning on taking a month off to catch up on fixing the fence and getting some chores around the house done, and I was looking forward to resubscribing with Heavy Drones V complete. Now? I'm just staying unsubscribed.

Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 14:06:00 - [1710]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lord Fitz

If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.


Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind.

Nope, in order to keep training you need to pay for at least each second month.

Also, I find the timing of this change oddly fitting since it coincides with Blizzard's announcement how they want to make one Starcraft and charge for 3.


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