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Monoke
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:37:00 - [1651]
 

Personally I think CCP are only doing this so that future drops in subscriptions can be blamed on this and they can remain happy in their "speed nerf will not affect subscriptions" bubble.

Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:37:00 - [1652]
 

Originally by: Liranan
Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.


So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1653]
 

Originally by: Karina Mei
Originally by: Helios vector
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Todoshi
What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far?


No they are actually off working.

They dont need to reply to you.

They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs


Oh i think many of you will miss us. CCP said themselves that an "Avalanche" of people are doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the player count drops by over 100,000 players in the next 3 months.


I doubt it'll drop by that much but if we take CCP's word for it that it the "Avalanche" of players using ghost training was affecting the database then it will have a noticeable affect. Either that, or the "Avalanche" was yet another excuse?



I have no doubts that i won't be missed but most of the people who are all for this change, however let us not forgot that just becase i have ghost trained at times does not mean that i'm not playing with a different account, if enough people leave then say good buy to all those lovely cheap mods and ships, because if the players quit the prices will go up

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1654]
 

Originally by: Karina Mei
Originally by: Liranan
Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.


So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...



If this utility bill kept my freezer freezing, my refrigerator running and my house not unpleasantly cold, then happily.

Stop creating fallacies and jumping off of them like they're solidly based.

Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1655]
 

Holy crap!
You can't cancel if you wanted to!
They disabled account access!

LOL.....
Thanks for pointing that out further back in the threadnaught.

Nice CCP.... that will keep people paying, or get your credit card processing account frozen because of complaints.

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:38:00 - [1656]
 

Originally by: Vargo Hoat
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Vargo Hoat
How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill?
ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often.

at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now


While this is true, I ask you this:

If you're at that point with your character that you train 30+ day skills regularly why, for God's sake, is that character inactive? If that character is so far in it's expertise that you're actually playing with some other character?

From what I understand when you have a very well trained character you actually play with it. Or am I missing something here?


if you read again you will notice i said i never ghost trainWink

Taat Ricedi
Trade Guild Inperium
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:39:00 - [1657]
 

Edited by: Taat Ricedi on 14/10/2008 13:39:55
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Ivor Gunn

Quote:
Ghost Training was an unintended feature


No it wasn't.

Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive


You contradict your own knowledge base.

Pure hypocrisy.


That is complete nonsense you are writing there.

Of course CCP knows that it is possible to train on an inactive account. But that doesn't mean at all that they want this to happen.

Actually I am quite happy about that change.

Training for free, leeching the paying customers, that is what those parasites were doing. And it is good that CCP stopped them from doing so!

There is no free lunch. Everything costs and someone has to pay for it. So those people didn't pay and that means that someone else paid for them. The normal, honest subscriber paid for them.

I have absolutely NO intention to pay for those leechers with my money. If you want to play and train, pay for it!


A good change CCP, and a good blog also.



So can u tell me
how did you pay for me when my account was inactive?

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:39:00 - [1658]
 

OMG! Sky falling!! CCP Fails! On noeez1!

Skill Training Complete. Forum Drama has reached level 5.


If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.

Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:39:00 - [1659]
 

Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?

If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.


The expansions might be free but many MMOs see a lot more content via regular monthly updates than we get bi-annually. So not sure if we are actually benefiting. We are just not getting monthly content and not getting major expansions. TBH, I would rather see paid expansion with significant content added annually.

Gajowy
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:40:00 - [1660]
 

http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."

CCP THERE IS A BUG IN PLAYER GUIDE FROM OVER 5 YEARSShockedShocked

hope they can hear me and fix this fast enough before people will feel that they are treated like idiotsCool

reoveck
Amarr
black hearts
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:41:00 - [1661]
 

thank you ccp, for a while now I have been toying with turning my 4 accounts into 2 and moving the chars over, you have just helped me with that decission Very Happy

Andrei Vassaliev
Cursed Inc.
Not Found.
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:41:00 - [1662]
 

CCP != The International Humanitarian Foundation
So, go away awful poor men!

Sahara Eternity
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:41:00 - [1663]
 

Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 13:44:20
Originally by: Liranan

I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.


Then cut all the "gain" an inactive account has, such as RP, and market transactions, perhaps even delete the account after 6 months or so ... and after that introduce payed patches, im sure that will boost the Iceland's economy Very Happy ... not. In 2+ years of playing on 2 separate account i think i've done once a "ghost traning" and you are mistaken, i'm not complaining, im just sick and tired of seeng services payed and not delivered. Wink I bet manny of the current "winers" in this thread wodn't have nothing against this "bug fix" if there was no lag, or no "our logs showes nothing" petitions responses. Wink Unfortunatly some times EVE is not WhatYouPayIsWhatYouGet service so normaly people will be upset.

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Stay on Carrier 4 then, and fit a drone control unit. Nobody is forcing you to train this insane skill to five, and if they are, I think it's time for a change of scenery! Laughing


Carrier skill was just a simple example m8 ... all rank 5+ skills take at least 20 days to train from lvl 4 to lvl 5, and that on a good combination of atributes, now that is ridiculos ... an average 2 year player payed already at least 360 dollars/euros concidering he has only one account. That's aprox 800 dollars on my case becouse I have 2 - can u point me to another game that is this "free" ?

Farlon Brando
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:42:00 - [1664]
 

first they change gtc system making em cost over 100% more in isk then before and then they complain that there is a spike in ghost training... go figure. Anyways gtc prices should go down now if people who say they are cancelling accounts will. I doubt it tho.
never really used ghost training myself much, until recently as supporting rarely used alt account with constant gtc's just wasn't worth it anymore with the current prices.

Howard Atkins
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [1665]
 

Originally by: Lerand Gaunt

Bye, bye. We are happy to see you leave. One less 10-year-old forum whiner...



Iam glad that you brought some very valid points that explain what you did not like about my statement. But dont be worried, my easily-insulting-others-without-reason friend, i do have one account that will stay active :) Or maybe i should put sarcasm tags in the text?

- H.A.

Simon LBowerbank
Amarr
Paradigm Council
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [1666]
 

So i have to train Battleship V the old fashioned way while previous players could do it for free while taking a break?

Yeah that sounds really fair thanks CCP

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:43:00 - [1667]
 

Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 14/10/2008 13:43:54
Originally by: Sahara Eternity
Originally by: Liranan

I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.


Then cut all the "gain" an inactive account has, such as RP, and market transactions, perhaps even delete the account after 6 months or so ... and after that introduce payed patches, im sure that will boost the Iceland's economy Very Happy ... not. In 2+ years of playing on 2 separate account i think i've done one a "ghost traning" and you are mistake, i'm not complaining, im just sick and tired of seeng services payed and not delivered. Wink I bet manny of the current "winers" in this thread wond have nothing against this "bug fix" if there was no lag, or no "our logs showes nothing" petitions responses. Wink Unfortunatly some times EVE is not WhatYouPayIsWhatYouGet service so normaly people will be upset.

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Stay on Carrier 4 then, and fit a drone control unit. Nobody is forcing you to train this insane skill to five, and if they are, I think it's time for a change of scenery! Laughing


Carrier skill was just a simple example m8 ... all rank 5+ skills take at least 20 days to train from lvl 4 to lvl 5, and that on a good combination of atributes, now that is ridiculos ... an average 2 year player payed already at least 360 dollars/euros concidering he has only one account. That's aprox 800 dollars on my case becouse I have 2 - can u point me to another game that is this "free" ?


Change it to maximum five days for a rank 8 skill then? Oh boy, the game would be fun to fly with everyone and their mothers flying rapiers, crows and vagabonds.

Simon LBowerbank
Amarr
Paradigm Council
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:44:00 - [1668]
 

Originally by: Gajowy
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."

CCP THERE IS A BUG IN PLAYER GUIDE FROM OVER 5 YEARSShockedShocked

hope they can hear me and fix this fast enough before people will feel that they are treated like idiotsCool

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:44:00 - [1669]
 

Originally by: Simon LBowerbank
So i have to train Battleship V the old fashioned way while previous players could do it for free while taking a break?

Yeah that sounds really fair thanks CCP


One word: BPO. Eve isn't fair, and I have the EULA and the ToS to back me up on that.

Catherine Frasier
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:45:00 - [1670]
 

Originally by: Todoshi
if enough people leave then say good buy to all those lovely cheap mods and ships, because if the players quit the prices will go up
Ooh! Bunch of metagamers gone and prices going up? That'd be like the cherry on top: crossing my fingers that you're right. (But I doubt it.)

Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 - [1671]
 

Edited by: Karina Mei on 14/10/2008 14:09:35
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Karina Mei
Originally by: Liranan
Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.


So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...



If this utility bill kept my freezer freezing, my refrigerator running and my house not unpleasantly cold, then happily.

Stop creating fallacies and jumping off of them like they're solidly based.


While you're at it try reading the actually wording of the post and not just your take on it.

if you weren't making use of it means not using it, as in it's not doing anything, as in you pay the same for the electricity you're not using.

That was my point, which you completely missed.

I'm not saying that I want something for nothing, just replying to a poster that said they were happy to pay for something they weren't using.

AleRiperKilt
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 - [1672]
 

Edited by: AleRiperKilt on 14/10/2008 13:46:36
Releasing a Linux client and the fact you could train while offline were the two main factors in my decision to try this game (first and only MMRPG I've ever played).

Most of what I know about WoW is the South Park episode and they make a nice point about grinding for skills there, lol.

Now at first when I read this about training while account inactive I thought that was not fear and gotta be a bug but now I can clearly read in the player guide it is an "intended game feature" you are taking away (after all, you have to pay to use the benefits of all that ghost training)

I think you guys at CCP should hunt down the original devs and ask them if it is a bug or actually a "feature". For me this seems like a bonehead move from somebody new (just like the Veldonough one)

CCP: As Bill Gates once said ... "It's not a bug, it's a feature" Laughing

Edit: grammar

Simon LBowerbank
Amarr
Paradigm Council
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 - [1673]
 

BPO? What?

Nilien
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 - [1674]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
OMG! Sky falling!! CCP Fails! On noeez1!

Skill Training Complete. Forum Drama has reached level 5.


If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.

But ccp can... Could earn on those who payed by isk anyway.
Now it's impossible.

Endena
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:47:00 - [1675]
 


I have 4 accounts with well developed mains on it. If I faced skills like Capital 5 or BS 5, I was glad to put that account in ghost training. Most of the skills for a char with 40 mil SP take longer. I can use on my computer anyways only 2 accounts on the same time. After my inactive account had done his ghost training, it came back with a nice new toy. It was like getting a new char sometimes and made the game more exciting for me.

Consequences are clear: I reduce on 2 accounts. I will not train such nervkilling high rank skills on 2 extra accounts, which I hardly use. It would have been nice to get an extra command ship from another race or an other capital class ship. But if CCP think, I do not need this. NP. In the end CCP will get less money and the risk is rising, cCP lose a player, who played this game almost every day, because he might get bored. And certainly CCP will not get more money from me. When I started this game, I wanted only 1 account anyway. Now I have 4. Seems to be time to do some cleaning and cost cutting.


Dlightfull
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:47:00 - [1676]
 

Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some ****, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess Crying or Very sad

NupetietVer
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:48:00 - [1677]
 

Wow, CCP has standardized the GTC's with that Kraptastic change to 60 day 90 day, and now this?

Well now consider your profits Standardized, down the drain now CCP.



Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:50:00 - [1678]
 

Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some ****, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess Crying or Very sad


Maybe starting eve in your financial position wasn't the right choice. I'm not being blunt here, but there are tons of freespace-esque games out there, singleplayer and multiplayer without a monthly fee.

Adam Slysphere
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:51:00 - [1679]
 

Originally by: Dlightfull
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some ****, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess Crying or Very sad


If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...

Ai Sakura
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:53:00 - [1680]
 

Originally by: Adam Slysphere
OMG! Sky falling!! CCP Fails! On noeez1!

Skill Training Complete. Forum Drama has reached level 5.


If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.


You can still login with an inactive subscription? I think that would be called playing the system.. You arent playing anything


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