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Liranan
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:20:00 - [1621]
 

Edited by: Liranan on 14/10/2008 13:22:55
Originally by: Rramar Claime
Originally by: Dmian
I only want to remember you all this:
Originally by: EULA, 10.E "New Releases of the Software"
CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.


Originally by: TOS
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.

You've agreed to this terms. You should respect what you've agreed to.


Oh lol. And if they write in the eula, IF you agree to these terms you have to marry your brother at the next monday, you just have to respect and do it right? Afterall its the eula. I've got a light million dollar bet, that we would all still be playing eve if they had that line hidden in that document noone reads. No m8 it doesnt work like that.




LIES!! The EULA says you will put everything you own in CCP's name, you will divorce your wife and give her and your children to CCP, so they can be trained as toilet cleaners. Then you will borrow as much money as you can and put that into CCP's account too. You will then sign a confession accepting the fact that sky is blue and grass is green, that CCP is God, that God doesn't exist and that your mother is a man. You will then accept euthanasia. It doesn't work like this? PHAIL! The EULA says so!

DMian and Tos, you're fools.

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:20:00 - [1622]
 

What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far?

Sahara Eternity
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:21:00 - [1623]
 

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.


Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh?

The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later.

VLAD DRACU
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:22:00 - [1624]
 

Originally by: Andrei Vassaliev
The #1 rule of EvE: don't resubscribe what you can't afford to pay.




fixed

Lothris Andastar
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:24:00 - [1625]
 

Originally by: Todoshi
What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far?


No they are actually off working.

They dont need to reply to you.

They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:24:00 - [1626]
 

Originally by: Sahara Eternity
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.


Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh?

The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later.


so, so true. thanks you

Total Disaster
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:24:00 - [1627]
 

they should not allowed inactive accounts to post on forums too since they are no playerbase anyway

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1628]
 

Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Todoshi
What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far?


No they are actually off working.

They dont need to reply to you.

They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs


Oh i think many of you will miss us. CCP said themselves that an "Avalanche" of people are doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the player count drops by over 100,000 players in the next 3 months.

Gunner
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1629]
 

Dear CCP,

Please make character transfers from one account to the other free of charge, so I can consolidate my accounts to 2 active ones. The others are at your loss unfortunatly.

Thank you.

Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1630]
 

Originally by: Lerand Gaunt

True, GTC prices have gone up (in some occations to insane prices) but if you buy them at those prices, who is the idiot? The guy (gold-digger) who sells them or the guy buying them?

How come you yourselves are incapable of understanding the statements you use when other people whine about XXX prices? Supply and demand. Ring any bells?



Another reason for the increase in the ISK price for GTC could be down to macro miners as well! At the end of the day, they make enough ISK to buy them at whatever price they get put on at, it's easy ISK for them. So while there are macro miners in the game, the GTC could very well stay as high (if not higher) than it is now.

Welcome to Macro Mining Online :(

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1631]
 

Originally by: Vargo Hoat
How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill?
ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often.

at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1632]
 

Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 14/10/2008 13:27:27
Originally by: Helios vector
Originally by: Sahara Eternity
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.


Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh?

The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later.


so, so true. thanks you


Stay on Carrier 4 then, and fit a drone control unit. Nobody is forcing you to train this insane skill to five, and if they are, I think it's time for a change of scenery! Laughing

Janine Ramsey
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1633]
 

Originally by: Total Disaster
they should not allowed inactive accounts to post on forums too since they are no playerbase anyway

noob u cant do that anyway

Azami Hanzo
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:26:00 - [1634]
 

Trying to minimize the damage I logged on to try and transfer my chars to avoid getting billed again, just to be met by "The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance. We are sorry for any inconvenience caused."

Nice move CCP!

Total Disaster
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:28:00 - [1635]
 

Originally by: Janine Ramsey
Originally by: Total Disaster
they should not allowed inactive accounts to post on forums too since they are no playerbase anyway

noob u cant do that anyway


good to know lol, thanks

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:28:00 - [1636]
 

anyone else notice that all of a sudden the accounts section of the website is down.

Nice move now ccp really do look like a bunch of liars.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:29:00 - [1637]
 

Originally by: Todoshi
anyone else notice that all of a sudden the accounts section of the website is down.

Nice move now ccp really do look like a bunch of liars.


Good job, you're only on the third page since it was noticed.

Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:29:00 - [1638]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Vargo Hoat
How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill?
ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often.

at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now


How very true.. :(

Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:30:00 - [1639]
 

How many accounts do CCP expect to lose?

Blancanieves
X-Ray Industries
United Pod Service
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:30:00 - [1640]
 

Yippeah, my second account just ran out today, and I can't do anything about it because of some strange "maintenance"... lucky as I am, it seems I will miss at least a whole week of training time as I will be offline for the coming week. What a nice coincidence. Is it intended? Do you want to prevent people from canceling their subscription or from transferring their characters to another account or just from extending their subscription?

Liranan
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:31:00 - [1641]
 

Originally by: Sahara Eternity

Well what you are saying is that you actualy have to "pay to wait" at least 8 - 12 months to board a cap ship (depending on the atributes of course - it cold take a lot longer if you want to use it close to decent), right? Just pay and watch the "progress bar" move a nanometer a day huh?

The traning system was designed to take time - especialy to kepp the dollars/euros come to them, this is why it costs you about 120 bucks to board a carrier, this is why it costs you about 360 bucks to board a mothership ... and the list can go on. I'm not saying that SP's are free but think about it, every one that is "ghost training" returns, and pays sooner or later.


I watch my SP bar move a nanometre everyday across five characters. Enough with the whining! Do I understand servicemen and women who set a skill and don't pay when they go on their tours? Yes I do but I have no sympathy. You get paid, just like the rest of us. You can't afford to pay a monthly subscription? Then you should refuse to serve under a regime that expects you to die but isn't willing to pay or support you (do we need to discuss pay cuts and the cuts on therapy but the increase on spending and the profits of the arms industry?). You really want to do something useful? Overthrow your regime. Faux says that's bad? Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.

Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:31:00 - [1642]
 

I support this change. No pay, no play.

Redent SC
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:32:00 - [1643]
 

Dear CCP. I aint gonna say anything that has been said before. Simply this

/signed

Get your act together CCP, Come on and respond. this aint right at all.

Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:32:00 - [1644]
 

Originally by: Helios vector
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: Todoshi
What are the chances that a dev can get his ass from hiding and actuly reply to the playerbase or are they all as gutless as it would seem so far?


No they are actually off working.

They dont need to reply to you.

They are canceling ghost training and if you dont like it, quit. Noone will miss you least of all the EvE Devs


Oh i think many of you will miss us. CCP said themselves that an "Avalanche" of people are doing this. I wouldnt be surprised if the player count drops by over 100,000 players in the next 3 months.


I doubt it'll drop by that much but if we take CCP's word for it that it the "Avalanche" of players using ghost training was affecting the database then it will have a noticeable affect. Either that, or the "Avalanche" was yet another excuse?

Rramar Claime
Amarr
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:33:00 - [1645]
 

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Todoshi
anyone else notice that all of a sudden the accounts section of the website is down.

Nice move now ccp really do look like a bunch of liars.


Good job, you're only on the third page since it was noticed.



Loooool way to go ccp, how else could you keep people from rage quitting . Nice. Very nice.
This is just such a disgusting move you really crossed a line with it...
Important maintenance eh?...


Vargo Hoat
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:34:00 - [1646]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Vargo Hoat
How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill?
ive never ghost trained, but to answer you question the answer is that its starting to happen quite often.

at least the 30+ day skills happens all the ****ing time now


While this is true, I ask you this:

If you're at that point with your character that you train 30+ day skills regularly why, for God's sake, is that character inactive? If that character is so far in it's expertise that you're actually playing with some other character?

From what I understand when you have a very well trained character you actually play with it. Or am I missing something here?

SupplyOfficer
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:34:00 - [1647]
 

CCP act like f****g noobs

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:34:00 - [1648]
 

Originally by: Ivor Gunn

Quote:
Ghost Training was an unintended feature


No it wasn't.

Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive


You contradict your own knowledge base.

Pure hypocrisy.


That is complete nonsense you are writing there.

Of course CCP knows that it is possible to train on an inactive account. But that doesn't mean at all that they want this to happen.

Actually I am quite happy about that change.

Training for free, leeching the paying customers, that is what those parasites were doing. And it is good that CCP stopped them from doing so!

There is no free lunch. Everything costs and someone has to pay for it. So those people didn't pay and that means that someone else paid for them. The normal, honest subscriber paid for them.

I have absolutely NO intention to pay for those leechers with my money. If you want to play and train, pay for it!


A good change CCP, and a good blog also.

Triksterism
Spacecataz.
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:36:00 - [1649]
 

Wow, I wake up and this thread has increased by about 25 pages :O

Xyzibyte
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:36:00 - [1650]
 

CCP is out of money???

CCP AQUARIUM

BAAAAD joke Evil or Very Mad

CCP this is epic fail ... stop hurting yourself by hitting the community...
also stop the lies!Crying or Very sadEvil or Very Mad


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