open All Channels
seplocked EVE Information Portal
blankseplocked Disabling ghost training - the blog edition
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 50 51 52 53 [54] 55 56 57 58 ... : last (207)

Author Topic

FalconHawk
Amarr
Shadow Rebellion
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:00:00 - [1591]
 

first it was an unfair advantage ...and created a 49 page ****storm
then it was a bug ... and is already up to a 53 page ****storm

whatever u post next CCP pls think about it before


Viermut
Phoenix Industries
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1592]
 

Originally by: Konosbe
Well then!

Thats -2 Accounts for CCP from my side. I'll keep my third one for the happy mission grinding if iam bored by other games again.

Way to go, CCP! Now that's a kick in the nuts for the customers. And a very stupid excuse as well - sometimes it really takes CCP ages to fix a 'bug', but this has always been this way, and it's been a feature, not a bug.

No, no one can have my stuff. I'll send it all to my other account :P

- K

Kono, I 100% agree...I have 4 accounts and build toons for resale for isk...at this point I'm downsizing as well...f**k em', they can have my one account. Maybe I can put 3 together into one account, 1 for pirating, one for missioning and hauling and one for be'ing the ho I always wanted to be.

Lerand Gaunt
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1593]
 

I just love taste of EMO tears in the morning...

I find it really funny when people moan about actually having to pay to play this game (either in real money or with isk). It is true that some high end level 5 skills are "long" to train up but if it is really that bad then just choose do something else that does not require those skills. Or just buy 2 GTC's, start training and have your break.

And for the next 50 flamers / whiners: yes, I am a carebear who has yet to see any 0.0 content. So? I have multiple accounts, just as you do. I just choose to keep them active. If you can afford (multiple) fully fitted Motherships, I see the statement "I can't afford to buy GTC's" really lame.

True, GTC prices have gone up (in some occations to insane prices) but if you buy them at those prices, who is the idiot? The guy (gold-digger) who sells them or the guy buying them?

How come you yourselves are incapable of understanding the statements you use when other people whine about XXX prices? Supply and demand. Ring any bells?


PS. Now We can really start demanding on those skill training que's as there is no reason left not to have them. Wink

Janine Ramsey
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1594]
 

nice move with unanounced maintenace time in the account managment

Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:01:00 - [1595]
 

Originally by: Uoogla
But seriously, I like this move. You have to pay for your skills to increase.

Why not take it to its logical conclusion then and allow people to buy skill points for real money? Or is that not in line with the notion of Eve providing a level playing field foe everyone regardless of their RL status?

The game is designed so that it hogs real time for training and in-game time for logistics much more than any other MMO out there - hence the benefit of having alts in Eve is much greater than in any other MMO. On the other hand, a single person can never utilize multiple accounts to their fullest, they are usually needed only for key activities and then are left unused. Taxing secondary accounts as primary ones has so far been offset by the availability of ghost training, but once that's gone the incentive to support alts will be reduced for just about everyone out there. I do not think it's fair to have us pay full price for a service that's designed so we cannot utilize it to the full potential.

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:02:00 - [1596]
 

Originally by: Simmith
Originally by: Proud American
Because you are a producer I can see why you care more about money than your companies image or your customers.


Customer:

1. a person who purchases goods or services from another; buyer; patron.

Leech:

2. a person who clings to another for personal gain, esp. without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite.

The proposed change gets rid of leeches, not customers. Which are you?


well since even ghosts have to subscribe every now and then to set a skill, thereis no such thing as a leech in this game since we all have to pay.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:03:00 - [1597]
 

Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Uoogla
But seriously, I like this move. You have to pay for your skills to increase.

Why not take it to its logical conclusion then and allow people to buy skill points for real money? Or is that not in line with the notion of Eve providing a level playing field foe everyone regardless of their RL status?

The game is designed so that it hogs real time for training and in-game time for logistics much more than any other MMO out there - hence the benefit of having alts in Eve is much greater than in any other MMO. On the other hand, a single person can never utilize multiple accounts to their fullest, they are usually needed only for key activities and then are left unused. Taxing secondary accounts as primary ones has so far been offset by the availability of ghost training, but once that's gone the incentive to support alts will be reduced for just about everyone out there. I do not think it's fair to have us pay full price for a service that's designed so we cannot utilize it to the full potential.


You really are a slacker, eh? Laughing

Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:03:00 - [1598]
 

Originally by: Kyoudai Ichata
Originally by: Hades In'aMiniskirt
than at least give us SKILL QUEING, ffs we are paying for it anywayRolling Eyes

qft, I'm glad I cancelled both my accounts.


how? all im getting is website under maintainance when i try to log in.

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:04:00 - [1599]
 

Originally by: Janine Ramsey
nice move with unanounced maintenace time in the account managment


QFT

Ai Sakura
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:06:00 - [1600]
 

It wasnt even a bug since youve referenced it in Dev Blogs saying that:

Serenity has no Ghost training and that Tranquility could be the same at the flick of a switch but you didnt want to change it at the time..

CCP You are full of lies tbh and it doesnt wash..

Gedhay
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:06:00 - [1601]
 

I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else.
BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not??
If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:07:00 - [1602]
 

the only way this "bug" fix makes it any fairer, is making a class division between players. Only well of people who have the money to keep this up are allowed to continue. this really is capitalism at is highest point.

Signaldog
Gallente
Cloak and Daggers
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:07:00 - [1603]
 

I think you're all just a bunch of whiners!!!! I agree that CCP should come out straight with it, and I'll not argue that the timing sucks as well, but COME ON PEOPLE!!!!

Ghost training only affects accounts that are INACTIVE...put it in a Role Play perspective (this is a MMORPG right?)...if you are not paying for your account, your character is effectivly "frozen"...you don't lose anything, you just don't gain anything. Simple enough.

I have two (2) accounts and I will continue to pay and play those two accounts (both with 3 characters apiece) to my hearts content.

Ghost training is a hack and needed to be pulled long ago!! CCP screwed the pooch on how they went about it, but welcome to the REAL WORLD where business is business and games are for people who have time to do the things they want to do...stop confusing the GAME of EvE with the business of RUNNING the game of EvE.

Just my 2 iskies.

Rramar Claime
Amarr
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:08:00 - [1604]
 

Originally by: Dmian
I only want to remember you all this:
Originally by: EULA, 10.E "New Releases of the Software"
CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.


Originally by: TOS
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.

You've agreed to this terms. You should respect what you've agreed to.


Oh lol. And if they write in the eula, IF you agree to these terms you have to marry your brother at the next monday, you just have to respect and do it right? Afterall its the eula. I've got a light million dollar bet, that we would all still be playing eve if they had that line hidden in that document noone reads. No m8 it doesnt work like that.


Elayer
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:08:00 - [1605]
 

Shame this has happened i have been actively subscribing for some time and was just about to take a break and train battle ship 5. sorry to say this but I wont be carrying on my subscription.

i play one other mmo besides eve and it was nice to be able to jump between the two without worrying about paying for eve when i wasnt playing, but my character still developing.

The way eve skills are is unique and with the current change i wont be resubbing after my sub ends on the 24th.

Moneys tight for everyone not just CCP, there are other ways to generate extra income. Only time will tell how this decision will effect eve.

Vargo Hoat
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:09:00 - [1606]
 

I am just fascinated by the number of people who are giving up playing with some or all of their accounts because of this. How often does ghost training occur in reality? How often do you really need to train a 40 day skill? You are practically losing $15 (if subscribed on a monthly basis) over a course of a FEW YEARS (unless you're ghost training characters for sale!) with any normal character, and you are whining about that?

I thought the player base is much more mature than this (or maybe it's always immature players whining?). I approve this because you can't have any progress if not playing (and paying) in any other game. Hell, tell me another game where your character progresses in any way while not playing!

While this might have been a wrong move from CCP it's still right given that we receive at least the following:

  1. Proper notification of subscription ending (if playing with GTCs)

  2. Proper notification that the skill might not be finished before the end of subscription period when setting a new skill to train

  3. Explanation why was it stated as a feature in the guide and later called a bug

  4. Extend the grace period before implementing this feature


Rufus Britton
Globaltech Industries
The ENTITY.
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:09:00 - [1607]
 

It kind of sucks if you're in the military and get stuck on deployment. I'm off to training soon and won't have internet access for 7 weeks and was planning on partially relying on ghost training.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:10:00 - [1608]
 

Originally by: Gedhay
I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else.
BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not??
If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.


Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.

Maria Huana
Caldari
Pact Of Honour
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:11:00 - [1609]
 

damn, over 100 pages and no reaction from CCP. no even answer. Nice customer support btw

Somealt Ofmine
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:12:00 - [1610]
 

Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 14/10/2008 13:12:08


Shocked

Some of the posts in this thread are just amazing. Especially the ones that complain about how unfair this is to people with a "real life". Even after this change, Eve is by far the friendliest MMO to those with a "real life". It's why I have played for 5 years, and will continue to.

Yanno, in other MMOs, you actually have to play an alt in order to skill it up? Wow, what a concept.

While eve is just about the friendliest to those of us who have a "real life", it's also just about the friendliest to the "hard cores" who don't. Pay for your game time with isk, anyone? I can't think of a single other major MMO where you can do that without risking getting banned.

Come on folks. They saw that alt farming was getting out of hand, so they plugged it. Long term, it'll probably be revenue neutral, but good for the game. You've got to know that CCP is pretty much over the "if you do this I'll quit" emo-rants. If everyone who ever said that since I've been playing actually did, you'd have to go 30 jumps in the game to find another player.

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:13:00 - [1611]
 

Edited by: Helios vector on 14/10/2008 13:14:12
Originally by: Signaldog
I think you're all just a bunch of whiners!!!! I agree that CCP should come out straight with it, and I'll not argue that the timing sucks as well, but COME ON PEOPLE!!!!

Ghost training only affects accounts that are INACTIVE...put it in a Role Play perspective (this is a MMORPG right?)...if you are not paying for your account, your character is effectivly "frozen"...you don't lose anything, you just don't gain anything. Simple enough.

I have two (2) accounts and I will continue to pay and play those two accounts (both with 3 characters apiece) to my hearts content.




Ghost training is a hack and needed to be pulled long ago!! CCP screwed the pooch on how they went about it, but welcome to the REAL WORLD where business is business and games are for people who have time to do the things they want to do...stop confusing the GAME of EvE with the business of RUNNING the game of EvE.

Just my 2 iskies.


watch you tongue little boy. This game is not comparable to other MMOs because its not your ordinary grinder where you play for an hour and lvl up like in WoW. in ever you go for weeks and may not even finish "leveling up" a skill.
skrew you and screw you CCP

Howard Atkins
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:14:00 - [1612]
 

Either -2 accounts, or my demands are met (yes, we can play this both ways. Lets not forget: Customer is King!):

* I want to be able to train all my chars on my ACTIVE account on the same time. Iam paying for it anyway and can only use 1 at a time as well.

* I want skill queuing. Its a pain in the arse to skill a bunch of skills from 1 - 2 by manually switching. I consider this a bug, get it fixed.

Do this, and i might forgive CCP this crap with ghost skilling suddenly being declared as a bug, while in fact it was a feature that - in the first place - made people to buy their second and third accounts (and, which you can read right here, makes them give those accounts up).

No more love for CCP from me.

Angry cat is angry.

Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:14:00 - [1613]
 

Originally by: Grarr Dexx

Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.

Actually in the short term the effect will be the opposite. People will want to get rid of their unsupportable alts, and with the rise of supply the prices will drop. It will be much easier to get a char with Carrier V for a noob.
Also, you can avoid spending time just as you used to - nothing has changed except the fact you need to pay for not using your alt while it's training.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:15:00 - [1614]
 

Originally by: Rufus Britton
It kind of sucks if you're in the military and get stuck on deployment. I'm off to training soon and won't have internet access for 7 weeks and was planning on partially relying on ghost training.

That's what you get for joining the military: You not only give up your freedom and your live, you also give up your character training. Maybe you should either choose another occupation or just buy a GTC to keep your account running.

Karina Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:15:00 - [1615]
 

The biggest issue with all of this is the way it's been done, blaming it on balancing and calling it a bug etc... Just plain fail. When will CCP realise that no matter how they spin doctor things, lying in this fashion will always be seen through.

Can we have the following balancing performed at the same time...

1) Remove GTC for ISK (as this unfairly affects people that can't play as much)
2) Remove macro miners - Search the character database for characters with stupid names (eg. nnhgyhhkk) and ban/deactivate them. How hard could this be, fair enough you could affect a few normal players this way, but if they've used a name like that....
3) Remove RP generation on inactive accounts
4) Remove market orders from inactive accounts

All these affect game balance just as much as the ghost training one, which still requires the inactive character to be subscribed to make use of the new skill etc.

At the end of the day, ghost training allows you to traing a skill that you still need to be ingame to use and also to earn the ISK to buy (for more expensive skills at least) and so the people that play all the time are still training and earning the ISK to buy the skills/ships.

Gedhay
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:17:00 - [1616]
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else.
BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not??
If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.

_________________________________________________________________________________________

If u played eve and I think U did, U will know what I meant. It's not that U should start with "carrier V", It's the time U have to wait till It's done. I have no problem with that, just I'm not good at waiting!!!

Koetsu
Spontane0us Combustion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:17:00 - [1617]
 

CCP - COD bluntforce trauma to customerservice

Lerand Gaunt
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:18:00 - [1618]
 

Originally by: Howard Atkins
Either -2 accounts, or my demands are met (yes, we can play this both ways. Lets not forget: Customer is King!):

* I want to be able to train all my chars on my ACTIVE account on the same time. Iam paying for it anyway and can only use 1 at a time as well.

* I want skill queuing. Its a pain in the arse to skill a bunch of skills from 1 - 2 by manually switching. I consider this a bug, get it fixed.

Do this, and i might forgive CCP this crap with ghost skilling suddenly being declared as a bug, while in fact it was a feature that - in the first place - made people to buy their second and third accounts (and, which you can read right here, makes them give those accounts up).

No more love for CCP from me.
Angry cat is angry.


Bye, bye. We are happy to see you leave. One less 10-year-old forum whiner...

Andrei Vassaliev
Cursed Inc.
Not Found.
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:19:00 - [1619]
 

The #1 rule of EvE: don't subscribe what you can't afford to pay.


Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.10.14 13:19:00 - [1620]
 

Originally by: Gedhay
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that "the bug" is in fact a feature. Why disable the "gost training" when it takes forever to train something like "carrier V". The one affected by this are the old players, those that have a "long skill" in training. Why ccp did not change the dificulty of the skill??. If I could train "titan V" in 20-30 days, I woldn't disable my account at all. I do that because I have no patience to wait for the skill to end. And I do that to prevent me from changing the skill with something else.
BTW, why it's considered a bug "ghost training" and not be able to plan in advance a second skill is not??
If CCP want something to do, I think this will be a primary. I'm not pleased with waking up in the middle of the night to change my skill.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Because every noob should start with carrier V trained right off the bat, am I right?

Eve's skillpoint and skill level system was designed that if you wanted to specialize, it was going to cost you time. Now you can't avoid it anymore.

_________________________________________________________________________________________

If u played eve and I think U did, U will know what I meant. It's not that U should start with "carrier V", It's the time U have to wait till It's done. I have no problem with that, just I'm not good at waiting!!!


Let's blame CCP then! Oh wait, you beat me to it.


Pages: first : previous : ... 50 51 52 53 [54] 55 56 57 58 ... : last (207)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only