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Val Kox
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:12:00 - [1501]
 

So on 15th if an inactive account is training something - will it stop or finish as planned ?

Commander Spectre
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:12:00 - [1502]
 

Edited by: Commander Spectre on 14/10/2008 12:14:34
Next patch notes will probably look something like this...

1. Subscription rates will be increased to $19.95 to make EVE Online more "Balanced" with all other MMO games.

2. Skill Training will only be allowed when logged in to put EVE "inline" with all other MMO games avaialable.

3. Skillbooks will only be sold in the new item shop to reduce the player controlled market and "Balance" EVE with other MMOs

4. A new Pink Bunny skin for your ship will be available in the new item shop for $9.99 to make EVE online "inline" with all other ghey MMOs and "Balance" our wallets...

Suga H
Gallente
Wreckage Reclamation Enforcement Consortium
Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:13:00 - [1503]
 

Edited by: Suga H on 14/10/2008 12:14:23
On a slight side note. CCP, you're being a bunch of jerks. Way to make the new guy break the news about what's apparently the hottest subject to date. Your wallets and our wallets. :/ He posted his intro post less than two weeks ago! CCP Fallout. Ironic name, poor guy :(

Originally by: Commander Spectre

4. A new Pink Bunny skin for your ship will be available in the new item shop for $9.99 to make EVE online "inline" with all other ghey MMOs and "Balance" our wallets...


I'd pay 10bux to fly a Pink Bunny skinned ship. Wonder if it'd make my dominix look fat?

Face deBouc
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:15:00 - [1504]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


The real reason of this change : CCP Wrangler eat little cat @ lunch, Iceland is a small island and there's no more cat for feed CCP WRANGLER, they must now import little cat form all around the world.

Recently CCP have decided the reduce the "FUNKY" lag for fleet battle & CO...
So they havent enough money for feed CCP WRANGLER.

now stop all your "funky" post for say nothing and go play WOW or anything else, THX and remeber i take your stuff/isk for free.

SupplyOfficer
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:17:00 - [1505]
 

riot at 20 gt in jita .. come in BS

Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:17:00 - [1506]
 

Edited by: Ratio Legis on 14/10/2008 12:18:08
Originally by: Last Flower
Of course it would be more fair and appreciated by CCP's customers if CCP would just say "cause we need money".

CCP do not need money, they want money. If they came here with this heart-breaking blog that explained in detail how they would go bankrupt if they didn't remove ghost training, I'm sure they'd find a much more supportive and understanding community response. It is clear however that it's not a case of need but of desire, and nobody likes to be screwed over for somebody else's optional financial gain.

Which, in this case, is more theoretical than practical, while the screwing over is substantial all over.

MR Oiso
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:17:00 - [1507]
 

Because of my bad english i am not able to write every of my thoughts about that.

But this is only stupid nothing else.
This is not a bug but a unique selling point.
And it is a brazenness to take the own customers for a fool.

Shame on you CCP.

iam awaiting CCP to apologize to there customers.

yarrmarr
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:17:00 - [1508]
 

Originally by: Face deBouc
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


The real reason of this change : CCP Wrangler eat little cat @ lunch, Iceland is a small island and there's no more cat for feed CCP WRANGLER, they must now import little cat form all around the world.

Recently CCP have decided the reduce the "FUNKY" lag for fleet battle & CO...
So they havent enough money for feed CCP WRANGLER.

now stop all your "funky" post for say nothing and go play WOW or anything else, THX and remeber i take your stuff/isk for free.


hello kitty online is -> that way. read the post again and try and understand some of the points other people make.

StainLessStealRat
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:18:00 - [1509]
 

Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Stormaar
Where i can sighn online petition about saving "ghost training"?
You just signed one I believe.


signed again

Suga H
Gallente
Wreckage Reclamation Enforcement Consortium
Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:18:00 - [1510]
 

Originally by: Val Kox
So on 15th if an inactive account is training something - will it stop or finish as planned ?

Or get glitched and lose any time that's already be reset to 0 :/

Inakaan
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:19:00 - [1511]
 

cancelling my 2 accounts, there are TONS of MMORGS out there CCP, i've paid alot of money into you guys and now this blantant money grab scheme, well you arent getting any more of my money until this stupid corporate "IDEA" is nixed

later

MustakaTank
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:20:00 - [1512]
 

This thread is full of win. The emo tears are flowing like a river. I especially like the losers who are drawing links with the global credit crunch to Eve nerfing basically a freebie.

"I can't get something for nothing...... Bahahahaaaaaahhh" *Emo child throws teddie into a corner*

I say to all the people who are quitting - good riddance. More isk for me.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:20:00 - [1513]
 

Originally by: Suga H

I'd pay 10bux to fly a Pink Bunny skinned ship. Wonder if it'd make my dominix look fat?


Dominix's always look fat

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:20:00 - [1514]
 

Originally by: Last Flower
Edited by: Last Flower on 14/10/2008 12:14:45
.

Of course it would be more fair and appreciated by CCP's customers if CCP would just say "cause we need money". That will never happen, however, and let me explain you why are we being fed lies, it's for a reason.

Due to "credit crush" and actual economical hole all countries of the world feel to one extent or another, any "virtual" money (credit, loans etc.) or would-be-money deteriorate in value, cause it(money) exist not NOW, that is, in the present. Every company that is at stake now tries to accumulate as much REAL money at this given moment as possible. Yes, this "ghost training" nerf will cause CCP to loose players in long run, loose revenue in long run, but hey, they can deal with that later, by firing-off a new marketing campaign to bring folks back. Thus they employ "oh snap, we'll figure out something!(later)" tactics at the moment, and do this premeditated and smart move to get as much REAL money as they can as fast as possible. How this is achieved? First of, you analyze the situation, the data you have, and you see that there is a large number of "would-be-money-in-a-near-future" but it ain't "real money now", so how do you make the aforementioned into the other and fast? You cut-off "ghost training" and what you get is a vast number of people resubscribing into their accounts for whatever reasons they got (prolly main accounts on "vacation") in 2 days time! <-- HENCE THE SHORT TIME NOTICE. So, the immediate effect is the immediate real money flow and hey, the right immediate upt to date and fresh numbers to show to your business partners ("hey, it's all ok on our end! it's safe to invest").

Now why the "bug" scam? What a self respecting company with common business sense would admit to it's customers that it's finances are bit on the edge? Admitting to your customers, you would also admit to your investors, to your business partners and anyone related to your business. Now we wouldn't want to let that happen, do we?
It's way more easier to lie to your customers by saying it's a bug,
than to try to negotiate a future business deal with your investor by saying "you know, we're a bit low..."

It's simple as that logic not everyone manages to perceive.
SO here are your reasons for "why do they tell lies" drama.


So they'd rather tell investors they've ****ed off their player base (y'know, loyal customers) with a blatant lie than tell them they're hard up on cash?

Commander Spectre
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:21:00 - [1515]
 

LoL...I knew someone would want that...crap now I gotta kill pink bunnies again. See what this does to our youth? Animal Cruelty cases will soar!

Helios vector
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:21:00 - [1516]
 

this is really total bull****e! First off, this is the only online game that pretty much takes YEARS to build up any type of good character. I was planning on leveling one of those 1month skills (its bad enough these take that long in the firstplace) while im away at christmas. So what, its not ecemonicly viable to let me do this? how am i supposed to get anywhere in the game then? pay 14euro for that month just to train one skill in a long list of other skills to get to my goal?
You make it seem like you have such a great service with your daily down times and multiply 5-6hour downtimes. All this rescent crap is really going to hit the fan soon. Im sure me and many others will not be around to see the crap fly if youknow what I mean.
This "bug" fix will be one of your greatest mistakes ever. It really is a shame, i did like this game, but if i cant train skills when im not activated, i might aswell quit now if i cant obtain my longterm goals in the long run. (ps. only have one account myself)
I thought you guys were happy enough with needing us to buy a subscription every once in a while to choose a new skill to train.

In the end, this is really just a greedy act by CCP. Whats pretty funny though is that this will backfire on you. with all of these peoples multiple accounts gone and no one gets a short subscription to set a new ghost skill train, you will lose money and players in the run too.

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:21:00 - [1517]
 

Originally by: Suga H
Ghost training accomplishes a whole lot of nothing. It simply gave people a reason to go out and spend some RL time for a month. Or spend time on another account. You have to pay to use the account. You have to pay to use the skill you ghosted. You have to pay to change skills.

This.

Cheers,
Arrs

Stromfresser
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:21:00 - [1518]
 

CCP this isnt looking good at all for you... i also agree that this is a shot in your own foot so stop the change! or else if you really need money stop buying expensive aquariums for your offices... i bet for the money you spent on the aquarium you could have bought at least 2-3 blade new intel single node blade servers to reduce lagg! so stop complaining about you need money... im sick of this now and the rabble in here should give you some feedback so think about it! im also planning on -1 account for me... this is no joke and i think CCP can if they want control it themselves... so check the character "Tessa Light". i am not going to reactivate it if you continue this!

Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

chotaire
Caldari
The Rising Stars
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:21:00 - [1519]
 

Edited by: chotaire on 14/10/2008 12:22:04
Originally by: chotaire

Regarding your dev blog, I have some more stuff to add aswell. Let's go into theory. We do have an evil person who does nothing else than ghost training for a whole year. Especially during the first years, there are probably no skills that take much longer than 50 days. So theoretically, instead of paying 6 subscriptions, someone does only pay 4 subscriptions the first year. During the inactive period of those subscriptions, the database entry does not see much change except of a timer script adding skillpoints to a single skill (and single character). Are you telling me that 4 out of 6 subscriptions are not worth calculating and changing one database entry during inactive times? I believe each and every datacenter out there with a DB cluster would happily receive such subscription fees for regularly committing such a simple function - and while talking about that, why not committing this function only ONCE - when the account gets reactivated? That means, inactive subscriptions will skill appropiately, just that API doesnt show the progress while the account is inactive. Wow, one db update per paying customer, no matter how long they skill, that's a damn huge DB load and ffs am I getting ironic? Then again this is all bullsh*t, because there is way more updates to the DB while someone is inactive. Say market skills change while someone is selling items while being inactive, or the corporation of the ghost trainer in question changes the alliance, contracts get finished, items sold, insurances expiring etc..etc... That's a damn huge load of db updates for offline people. So much more than skill updates. How come this is not a problem? I see incredible epic fail in this announcement!! Skills (if db functions get optimized for inactive subscriptions) can't have as much of an impact to the db like any other offline action. We are obviously being fooled, database programmers speak out loud!




So, CCP, what's up with the MASSIVE db load caused by ghost training?

Kreso Cakija
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:22:00 - [1520]
 

Edited by: Kreso Cakija on 14/10/2008 12:22:53
" Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). "

This is quote from CCP Player Guide, so this s not bug this is advertised feature. So CCP is this case act in inmoral way.

Ukulu
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:23:00 - [1521]
 

Not happy about this action! Think I'll transfer my 3 account main characters to a single account. Less money for CCP.

Poorly thought out CCP.
Sad



Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:23:00 - [1522]
 

Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 14/10/2008 12:24:55
"But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior " translation: "wtf, why do you guys all leave and do capital skills while you're at it"

'cause i thought amber leon did his/her 50-hulk-char-sale (some later continu'ed to rorq)

and what about datacores? RP keep flowing in?

heck at least leave a 100h buffer for those who still (have to) purchase GTC with RM

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:24:00 - [1523]
 

I only want to remember you all this:
Originally by: EULA, 10.E "New Releases of the Software"
CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.


Originally by: TOS
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.

You've agreed to this terms. You should respect what you've agreed to.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:24:00 - [1524]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 14/10/2008 12:24:19
Man, all you people "quitting" EvE will allow me to fly around without having to listen to you smacktalk in local ever again!?

I'm so in favour of this change you cheapskates!

Also why are you still here? Quitting? Then actually do it, instead of smacktalking in the forums.


I smell the whines of noobs crying out because momma no likes to breast feed ya anymore!

Rramar Claime
Amarr
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:24:00 - [1525]
 

Originally by: Hurint
Originally by: Jinx Barker

... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to ****.




qft - stop attacking your fans... if you can even call us that any more


Thank you.

Hoinus
Gallente
Duty Free Exchange
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:25:00 - [1526]
 

LOL

Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:25:00 - [1527]
 

Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
About time this happened.

ROFL at all you scrounging turds wanting **** for free!




ROFL at all ******s which like if someone lies into his face for his moneyTwisted Evil

Janine Ramsey
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:25:00 - [1528]
 

Originally by: Dmian
I only want to remember you all this:
Originally by: EULA, 10.E "New Releases of the Software"
CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.


Originally by: TOS
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.

You've agreed to this terms. You should respect what you've agreed to.


they say its a bug - nope they advertised it and could simply say we change it , instead they lie

Victriferusianus
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:25:00 - [1529]
 

It's a good thing that ghost training will be disabled. Cycling through accounts to get more skills trained is broken and should be fixed. I don't really see why a character in an inactive account should advance in any way. Also, if the only thing that makes you come back to EVE is that you have some skill one level higher waiting for you, maybe you shouldn't come back to EVE. The announcement was worded badly, but that's about it.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:26:00 - [1530]
 

Originally by: chotaire
We are obviously being fooled, database programmers speak out loud!



Well, unless you know their Schema, you don't know anything about what it actually takes to implement this, so your post is unfounded.

And yes, I am a database developer amongst other things.


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