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el toppolino
Fury Corporation
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:46:00 - [121]

puh thx ccp i jsut was about to start a 3rd account. damn that was close. plan canceled in time.

see the point ?

Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:46:00 - [122]

Edited by: Pellura on 13/10/2008 23:46:47

"This bonus comes at the cost of only being able to train one character at a time per account."

bug, says you?

BULL****, says I.

Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:46:00 - [123]

We have to pay to initiate the skill, why should it change at all?

as someone said flaging a skill in the db uses no resources at all, Money grab!

also maybee the surge in inactive trainign accounts is because you stole the flexibility of the 30 day gtc?

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:46:00 - [124]

Edited by: Maconha on 13/10/2008 23:47:58

I'm a Jovian, secretly

u crazy jovian hehehe :D

can u get me one ship of jove empire??? yes??? please ??? LOL

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:47:00 - [125]

Torfi Frans Olafsson

Senior Producer of EVE Online

your a lier sir a big biig lier...

Mad Mackem
The Scope
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:47:00 - [126]

Ok I have a question,

You stop this ghosting as you call it, my friend who is in the military now has to have a active subscription.

Can I have CCP's permission to log onto his account to change his skills?


Gemini Pollux
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:47:00 - [127]

Originally by: Malcanis
OK that's a lot more honest, at least. Foolish, but plausible.

So why the terribly insulting rubbish (the word I really want to use just comes out as asterisks) about "game balance" in the initial announcement?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe - just maybe - a lot of people are kind of insecure in their financial position at the moment, and they're cutting back on unnecesarry expenses right now?

Did it occur to you that it might be a good idea to give them an incentive to return?

Did it occur to you that increasing the perceived cost of an alt - with 2 days notice - just after you finished a promotion to get people to reate alt accounts might be seen as just a teeny tiny bit like, you know, a good old fashioned bait-and-switch?

Anyway, you're losing two intermittent subs from me. Get one of those accounts from Lehman brothers - he'll tell you how to turn that into a net gain, I'm sure.


Dungar Loghoth
Gank Bangers
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:47:00 - [128]

you guys are missing the point. this is the old CCP. half the game's 'bugs' are 'features' and more than half the features are bugged. this sounds exactly the ccp i remember.

Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:48:00 - [129]

'bug', huh? BS.

Been a feature I've known about for a year and a half.

Better make sure other people don't have an 'unfair advantage' by being able to keep buy/sell orders up while they aren't paid up on their subs.

You're full of ****, CCP. I thought I'd stay on after T20, cause I figured you did your 'oops, we were drunk' moment. You only gets one of those...


Critical Mass Technologies
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:48:00 - [130]

Edited by: fiber0pti on 13/10/2008 23:49:01


As many of you know by now, on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost training". Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.


this blatantly shows your full of crap and all about the mighty $

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [131]

Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Reihai
-1 account here.

+ Isk and stuff here ---->

I hope you enjoy eves slow transformation into a generic Korean grind MMO

-1 account, and no you cant have the isk because its not subscribed Shocked and nor will it ever be again

Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [132]

1.It WAS a feature you bragged about that made EVE different to other MMorpgs.
2.You nerfed the 30 GTC
3.You introduced the second account promo
4.You kill the feature @ 1. above with reverse spin
5.You take away a reason for coming back at all.

At the end of the day you still gotta pay at least 60 day GTC to reactivate the char to even train another skill,for most people ie: BS lvl V = 40-60 days depending on attributes,I dont see the big issue.

However,If it forces people to cancel their subscription,which undoubtably will be lots and lots,maybe we can get back to 12000 people online again and have the fleet battles we used to be able to have with acceptable server/client latencyYARRRR!!

Ars ex Discordia
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [133]

Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.

Can someone please explain how an inactive account will weigh down CCP's database more than an active account?

The Silence of Thunder
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [134]

Bad idea all around. The only thing this will lead to is people taking a month or two off, deciding that they didn't miss EVE that much, and since there's nothing new they decide to run off.

No, this doesn't load the servers to oblivion. I'd bet good money on no ghost training loading them MORE, as the server must go through extra hoops to check if you're subscribed or not.

Pshh, stupid money-making bullsh*t.

The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [135]


How ****ing stupid do you have to be before you acquire a position of power at CCP, just outta curiosity? (I'm pretty stupid, I could probably be your Economist)

The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [136]

Originally by: Cueball Mcfuzz
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Reihai
-1 account here.

+ Isk and stuff here ---->

Post with your main, Innana. And again, screw you for siding with the big company over your friends.

CCP: Respond, now.

This is my one and only character. what you going on about?

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [137]

Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Chestnut Stallion
-3 accounts

bye, all your stuff via contract to me. Thanks

why do you keep posting this? do you think you're making some kind of point?

Anathema Matou
Moonmaiden Ltd.
Avateas Blessed
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:49:00 - [138]

This really turned into a test of how many insults players will accept, didn't it?

Please stop it while you can still save your face.

Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 - [139]

Originally by: Carsidava
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.

Can someone please explain how an inactive account will weigh down CCP's database more than an active account?

changing a 0 to a 1!!!!

oh man the weight!! the servers will colapse?

Seth Ruin
Ominous Corp
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 - [140]

I do have to say I'm glad they at least admitted it was all about money...

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 - [141]

capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.

If I train a long skill and let my sub run out (for IRL commitments etc) this is unfairly affecting others? The difference to me will be that I pay to not actually play the game. The difference to you will be more money.

No doubt the recent economic problems have dented the current subscription base, this is just a kneejerk reaction to get more active subscriptions so it doesn't look like you're loosing bussiness. Same move as with the 60 day time codes.

It also seems you've taken it off the recent news. Good one...

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 - [142]

Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things?

Yes, of course.
We are gamers.

You are - sorry, i know English not so well as i wish - but in Russia peoples like you we call "(censored)".
We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.

I am truly hope that you lose A LOT OF money in this... Ahm, how its on english... In Russia we call this "(censored)".

-1 accaunt (maybe -2)

Cheers Arrow

Tarron Sarek
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 - [143]

Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 13/10/2008 23:53:47

So, the bottom line is that 'normal' players, who merely used that feature in a moderate manner and valued it as a unique game feature among MMOs will draw the shortest straw, because a bunch of greedy players and/or ISK farmers abused it?

Seems like reallife.
Some bad people totally overdo things and in the end screw over everybody else.

Wasn't there a way to fix this without hurting everybody?
Like disabling ghost training for trial chars.
Like limiting ghost training to max one week after unsubscribing.
Like at least introduce a skill queue to offer some compensation.
Like re-defining (fixing) 0.0 capital blob warfare?

I mean, how many of those ghost training alts that make up the 'avalanche' are capital pilots? I'd really like to know.

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 - [144]

You FAIL CCP. I will not forgive you UNLESS you take away capped training on the same account away. If I have 3 chars on that account I want to be able to train them all at once. Otherwise you are UNFORGIVEN.

-1 account

Have fun playing CCP (it will be mostly your toons around)

Peter Greed
Dirt-Nap Ship Yards
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:51:00 - [145]

The news about ghost training being removed hurt a bit, yeah. Fair enough though, All good things come to an end. However, the 'bug' explanation is outrageous.

Sorry CCP, I guess I took the red pill this morning. I woke up from my 'database slumber' and realized I am not a foolish consumer who appreciates the typical P.R. spin. I mean, there are 6 year courses on bs spin. This could have been handled in a way that didn't make EVERYONE involved feel like a big sweaty buttock. Read a book.

Hey, maybe a 're-do'? When will that 're-do' statement be ready? I can write it for you:

Dear players,

We know the beloved ghost training nerf comes as a shock for most of you. It has really been enjoyable watching everyone e-suffer about it. We apologize about the 'bug' statement that was made earlier. The gentlemen had never heard an explanation, so he naturally assumed the 'ghost training' feature we have all been talking about for years was really something else entirely.

So, we need more income. We realize blunt force truth rarely works these days, but we got a memo today telling us that our playerbase wasn't full of hacks and asshats. Now, we've manned up and handled business. We only regret that we can't collect interest from the tears of all the e-tradgedy.

Thanks, we all hope you enjoy playing this MMO as much as we enjoy modeling ourselves like any great Sony MMO.
-The Eve Fatcats

Greed sees Greed.

Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:51:00 - [146]

Edited by: Elmicker on 13/10/2008 23:51:56
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
they just want to be paid for the service they provide! You work for free, right?)

Actually. Yes.

The vast majority of people who work in a professional capacity go far beyond their contractual requirements, to provide a better service to their customers.

CCP has advertised this as standard service for 5 years now, and suddenly we're a bunch of cheating thieves. It leaves a bitter taste.

Now, if they were to sweeten the deal, for example by allowing us to train all 3 of our chars at once instead of them just being ornaments, it'd be a different matter. As it stands we're losing an advertised service and gaining nothing at a time when, for most people, money is tight. It's just silly.

The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [147]

Originally by: Avon'd better be real quick cleaning out the forums of historical CCP posts about this "feature" as it was, before you try to make out it is now a "bug".

Added from my later post:
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.

In my opinion CCP has just been caught in a falsehood.

Greed 4tl. Sad

Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [148]

There're lots of things to do to earn more money and you choosed the worst one.


Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [149]

Good job CCP. Atleast when I take a break from your game I wont be comming back anymore.
EVE gets dull quite a bit and this was the only thing that brought me back after my few breaks from eve, knowing that I had a skill that was finishing or finished that made it nice. Now it just means that when I take my break I wont have anything interesting to come back to thus losing out on more sub fees. And lets not forget the 3 accounts I usualy have active at any given time. You just made it so I will be dropping 1 or 2 of my accounts.

And another thing, the increase of ghost training could it have anything to do with the fact that eve is getting stagnent and nothing new is happening or no new features have been implimented for quite some time? maybe the increase in ghost training has to do with you incompatence to keep us interested.

Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 - [150]

Sadly, I'm going to buck the trend and say I resubbed at this announcement (despite not really being active for...well, forever).

Nevertheless, this was clearly a fecking stupid move by CCP. First the price rise (whatever they may call it) of GTCs, hmmmm huge surprise that loads of people unsub, and now this.

Guess what CCP, if you lowered sub cost and kept this feature, many more people would have multiple accounts. This is going to prove counter productive. Expect growth to remain flat or even decline.

STUPID STUPID CCP. You really havnt thought about this. Eve is NOT like other games; people run multiple accounts and you need to account for this in your strategy. Youd be far better off encouraging more accounts than making one more expensive.

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