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Kaya Valda
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:52:00 - [1381]
 

I can understand CCPs reasons for doing this both from an economic and fairness point of view. However I can see an area where it will affect all players, and that is wehn legitimate accounts runs out.

The problem at the moment is that you get no prior warning that your account is about to expire, and usually the first I know about it is when I can't log in. Are CCP now saying that I will potentially lose hours of training because I don't keep a close enough eye on when all my accounts expire?

A change needs to be made to rectify this. Either reminders need to be sent out to let people know in advance that their accounts will expire, or a leeway of a couple of days where training is still allowed at the end of the account expiry (so same as now except a much reduced time where it continues).

Medusa d'Mon
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:53:00 - [1382]
 

Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: MissileBella
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Bye.

Noone will miss you

Thanks for not making lag!


Snowflakes.

You might not miss one, but when there's no snow to enjoy you'll give anything to catch one on your tongue again.


Even if a third of eve emoragequits, CCP wont feel a thing as all they need to do is cancel hardware upgrades needed to deal with all you whiners :)


but the whiners won't be playing and it's you who won't be getting the hardware upgrade benefits.

Gaurina
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:55:00 - [1383]
 

Maybe this is the ease way of fixing the lag in 0.0 fights?

Too hard to buy new hardware and upgrade the server software so they just get rid of the problem behind the lag: the players.

Tu Saladin
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:56:00 - [1384]
 

I read the first and last page on the other 'discussion' of this topic; *****, bith, *****. And it looks like it's shaping up the same way here.

People want something for, relatively, nothing, that's just human nature. CCP wants a Pay-To-Play system, that's the nature of a business.

What do I think? Play your characters. (I never really understood why CCP allowed skill advancement for disabled accounts)


SnoopDizzle
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:58:00 - [1385]
 

They should just say we want to do this because CCP want to make more money PERIOD

They took away the frikkin 90 day time code recentely also and charge pretty much the same for the 60 day meaning roughly a 25 percent price hike for a lot of players.

Do CCP refund us when we are not training a skill...........

There are other changes i have noticed in my time with this game . I honestly believe they support people buying isk with timecodes as it means they make more money. You will notice that any transfer or thing that can be done out of game without CCP making a profit from it is banned.


Underbalance
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:59:00 - [1386]
 

Just want to point out; while ccp HQ is in Iceland, they are actually all over the world. Atlanta, GA (USA), Shanghai, China... I believe the servers are in the UK.

I would hardly think that they are affected by the Iceland market, because as most companies do they use all avenues for securing they’re assets. Most of the posters here including my self are not financial experts of the global economy, so it would be premature of us to state that they are purely effected. Although the timing is right, who is to say CCP has not banked overseas and have more sound money than in Iceland banks. Iceland’s population is only 320,000 tops, and I don’t know what other markets they are in other than fishing and after the US navy closing the base ( Free money to the local economy by military personnel;) I would see why it could be so hard for they’re economy at this time when the countries physical and population is so small. That it would be hard to survive. But back to the point, it sounds like all the young kids are posting with the amount of spelling and grammar errors, the freeloaders, sounds like the kids from runescape or whatever that game is called who want it free because they're moms wont pay the second or third account, as to us working folks seem to be ok as we already pay the extra alts.

Friday Jinx
Posted - 2008.10.14 10:59:00 - [1387]
 

Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?

If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.

Mike C
Caldari
MicroFunks
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:01:00 - [1388]
 

Edited by: Mike C on 14/10/2008 11:02:27
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.

EDIT: 2 days 8 hours until Minmatar Industrial 5 is done, then bye bye EVE.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:02:00 - [1389]
 

Originally by: Mike C
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.

and you came backRolling Eyes

Total Disaster
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:02:00 - [1390]
 

Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?

If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.

I ♥ you Jinx

and a quick reminder.
Nobody in here owns ANY eve character.. it's all property of CCP. They can and will do whatever they want

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 - [1391]
 

Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?

If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.


LOL!!! cant stay, sorry )))

i wanna pay for Expansion becouse i wanna very good, tested and balanced product. I dont wanna things maded in garage by 2-3 albanian emigrants.

-2 accs. fly safe


Lakut
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 - [1392]
 

Originally by: Mike C
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.

Obligatory "Can I have your stuff?" question.

Kryttos
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 - [1393]
 

whining will do nothing you guys of course realize. There's that pesky EULA you agree to when you first run Eve, or after a patch.

Retardat
Caldari
SEX WITH PENYS
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 - [1394]
 

Since this has caused a lot of debate we've decided to explain why we are making this change

thats not an explanation thats just you saying "I don 't care about u stupid players , We just want to take all your money" and this is the truth
i hope i don't get banned again for saying the truth


NicotineBuzz
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 - [1395]
 

Originally by: Total Disaster
Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?

If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.

I ♥ you Jinx

and a quick reminder.
Nobody in here owns ANY eve character.. it's all property of CCP. They can and will do whatever they want


Yeah erhm about the free expansion stuff.... well just so happen that most other MMO also do that...XD

Shokal Nen
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 - [1396]
 

Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?

If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.


Oh hey here's some more brilliant marketing ideas for you guys at CCP:
- paid expansions
- additional servers
- start selling game in stores

if you want money at least do it all the way!

i will not be reactivating my accounts now to train long skills on them once in a while like i used to - simply not worth it

Neliel Oderschvank
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:04:00 - [1397]
 

Edited by: Neliel Oderschvank on 14/10/2008 11:05:02
as I stated on my previous post i think CCP should reconsider this change...
for people like me whos in the military and play this game, this is a very neat feature (in CCP's words an unintended bug) yeah right...

due to the fact that we cant play this game daily and chances are not even weekly.

would be nice to have this keep going, why? let me give u an example.

say.. i still got 10days left on my subscription and im now about to run BS V which would take like 25-35 days and inbetween im gonna be deployed or already deployed. taking advantage of the ghost training really pays of. i mean i wouldnt wanna pay for a game that im not playing due to the fact that im working. Sure i still want my character to grow, I dont think this is unfair to anybody as everyone has that option to do so and take advantage of.

their talking about alot of people misusing this feature/bug.
but to tell you the truth those people who are using it has either 2 or more accounts that are being paid for...

so again CCP should reconsider

Mike C
Caldari
MicroFunks
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:04:00 - [1398]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Mike C
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.

and you came backRolling Eyes


With a trial, and someone said that CCP never in fact added it, and thus I wasted 4 months.

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:04:00 - [1399]
 

I think the biggest problem is the lack of notice, 2 frickin days....nice going.

its no surprise that ccp devs have been too gutless to reply in the thread since it was posted, all we get is mods changing posts because of forum rules.

well for those that are tracking its -2 for me as well perhaps -3 as i don't know if i can be arsed waiting for marauders 5.

Kain Simmons
Minmatar
Nomad Voyager
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:05:00 - [1400]
 

Edited by: Kain Simmons on 14/10/2008 11:10:38
I doubt this will increase your Income ccp. I never ghost trained but i had plans to do when i ever feel the need of a second account. But after this change i know for sure i will not get me one.

Paying for my 1. Account 100% of the year
Intended to pay for my 2. Account every 2. Month

So you guys loose subsctiption fees for about 6 months from me. Good work ****ing your customers off.

Edit :
Is this what your so called elected Player comitee suggested you ? I doubt! Why do you allow us Players to elect someone if you not involve them into such a hot topic?

And come on a BUG ? For that manny years ? It was a feature and i thought it was a clever feature. Ok guess im wrong

But here again we see how much we can trust you

Kryttos
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:06:00 - [1401]
 

Unfortunately this thread brings out a major problem with the world today.. Everyone wants instant gratification with little to no effort.

God how far we have fallen ><

Mike C
Caldari
MicroFunks
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:06:00 - [1402]
 

Edited by: Mike C on 14/10/2008 11:08:49
I'm just glad I got most of my Capital skills to 5 before this. But now I need to actively train Cap Ships to 5 -_-

EDIT: Would have to.

Kryttos
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:07:00 - [1403]
 

oh and to the ragequitters i say... Good riddance. WoW awaits =p

Viral Effect
Caldari
BRAINDEAD Corp
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:07:00 - [1404]
 

It is quite obvious from reading the replies in this thread that this decision is about as popular as a fart in a space suit.

If you read the EULA you will notice that we the account holder can terminate our subscriptions without notice. I can see that thousands of subscriptions will be cancelled in due course. Perhaps CCP will see the light.

Face deBouc
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:08:00 - [1405]
 

Not constructive. Naviagtor

JuGGeR
Caldari
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:09:00 - [1406]
 

if the time spand is 5 years to fix a bug , then can we plz have a fix to the other stuff thats laggin , and get a when it was started .. so my 20+ accounts can get back @ that time , coz this is pure bs really ..

with all the games thats not doing so well , why try to make eve 1 of em also !?

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:09:00 - [1407]
 

Originally by: Face deBouc
Not constructive. Naviagtor


Go play hello kitty online for free stuff

dr00l
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:10:00 - [1408]
 

As my last post stated, you will probably (actually, remove "probably"?) lose money and playerbase due to this rather than getting them up. How hard is it to realize, really?

I like the game and have seldom used the "Ghost Training" FEATURE and only when I took breaks from the game due to stuff in real life. And guess what, that FEATURE made me COME BACK.

I currently have 4 accounts, I still like this game, but I'm going to stop subscription for 2 of the accounts due to your latest two fiascos, the removal of 30 and 90-days GTC's and now this. Please rethink.

-2 Accounts.

Helene Mythrana
Gallente
Tetragrammaton Research
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:10:00 - [1409]
 

Got this today via eMail:

*We are sending you this email because you have purchased EVE time codes from us in the past. Unsubscribe information is at the bottom of this email if you wish to receive no emails from us except for when you make purchases.

With the global economic problems we have seen a rise in people trying to spend as little as possible. If you are in need of more ISK in the game this is an opportunity for you to help out your fellow player at the same time being able to purchase ISK through the official EVE gametime codes exchange for ISK.

We did a video on this feature when it was first released. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6IR8IYUVyA The video explains how to exchange your gametime for ISK the officially supported way.

The gametime codes for ISK exchange is an excellent way for those who do not have extra funds to play the game to work for their subscription from within the game. For those who have extra funds and not enough time to place it's an excellent way to get ISK without the fear of being banned.

So if you need to know how to trade your ISK for gametime check out the YouTube video.
If you need ISK and want to help out your fellow players you can find 60 day ETC at our store: <Link to shatteredcrystal store>

Thank you for being a customer. Your business is appreciated.

Marcus Eikenberry
www.ShatteredCrystal.com
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Well, it think that even the GTC traders are feeling the sting of CCP's decision to
cut away the 30/90d GTC and in light of those recent events now deciding to get rid of a
'bug' that so blatantly obvious is just another try at getting higher revenues from the
paying player base i think this is very,very bad timing.

Whatever the reasons are for this change, an honest, upfront aproach saying
'Hey guys, we like the game as much as you do but to keep up with our revenues and spendings
for new server hardware and hamsters we need more money, we can't increase the cost for your
subscription plan or for GTCs because then we'd be more expensive than other comparable mmorpgs
BUT we can tweak around with the parameters that increase our gains without too much pain
on your side, so cheers, ty for still being our customer' would be still way better than
that what your poor dev guy was forced to post in teh news (my sympathies, dude, sometimes
there are just tasks that are not meant to be carried out to everyone's satisfactionVery Happy )

In a series of fails, in a series of bad decisions, in a series of misjudgement THIS has the
potential to turn into the REAL mother of all failsIdea

Kayoshu
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:11:00 - [1410]
 

Originally by: Todoshi
I think the biggest problem is the lack of notice, 2 frickin days....nice going.


Exactly

When a company begin to have such communication problem, it's time to go fly elsewhere

I only have one account, and have never used ghost training, but i completly disagree with the method used to announce this change

Subscription canceled, time to try another game


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