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Iraf Thaiberd
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 13/10/2008 23:36:45


you have got to be kidding me

unintended?

REALLY?

UNINTENDED?

http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)


IT'S LISTED IN YOUR PLAYER GUIDE

Your customer service continues to become worse and worse


edit: I see that this has already been posted. A bunch of us immiedately noticed this (because we'd often advertised it as a feature to friends) but you weren't aware that you were selling this game on this "unintended" feature?

You're not fooling anyone, and this dishonest crap is just making the situation worse.


Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 - [62]
 

Overall the release of this change was badly handled, and quite possibly badly considerd.

There's little doubt the 'upsurge' of ghosting is a direct result of withdrawing 30 day GTCs and of course the time of year (students returning to courses etc etc).

Concerning times for EVE Online I think.

C.


ZeroGasam
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 - [63]
 

I havnt been around long, maybe 6 months but being able to one let one of my 3 accounts lapse for awhile whle training a skill, was one of the better things about eve. most of the time 2 or 3 where up and going (my wifes, and my alt's or mine) and would rotate out. now with this I cant do that anymore, so I am giving my corp mates all my stuff I got over the last few months, and quitting eve now.

-3 Accounts


Bonefish O'Hallahan
Gallente
Infinity Guitars
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Avon
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.


Avon, you're my homeboy. CCP, look! You're bald-faced liars!

Maconha
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Avon
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Sarin Adler
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [66]
 

Lies CCP.

$$$

I hope you fail and lose money with this movement, cheers.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Maria Huana
http://www.eve-online.com/features/

??????

Offline is not the same as inactive.

The player guide is where they mention training on inactive accounts.

Aganola
Amarr
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Avon
If you weren't paying for them all at the same time anyway, who cares?


Becauise now it'll go from 4 accounts active for 6 months of the year to 1 account active at the most. Best case scnario is that CCP have halved their income from that player.

To use the analogy from the blog: snowflakes. expand that to 1000 players and ccp's income has just taken a sizable hit.


A loophole that CCP devs have referred to as a feature...
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=167

excerpt:
Quote:
EVE has a unique approach to character advancement. Your account has the ability to train one character at a time no matter whether you're online or not, so if you start a training session before you go to sleep it will continue its advancement in real time while you are sleeping.

This bonus comes at the cost of only being able to train one character at a time per account.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [69]
 

Funny how the balance argument disappeared, could you not be honest the first time around?

As for unsubscribed people loading your db, you know you have a pretty technical audience right?

Vin Fell
DARKFELL EXCURSIONS
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [70]
 

/me doesn't approve

Sarin Adler
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Maconha
Originally by: Avon
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



Owned much by their own guide, lol.

Argentis Azure
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 - [72]
 

Quoted from the Player guide:

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp

Bug, you say?

D4RT N3RDiUS
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:37:00 - [73]
 

CCP IS NOT THE BUG/PROBLEM IS YOUR ATTITUDE AND YOU ARE MAKING ONE BIG MISTAKE PPL DOESNT TRUST YOU NO MORE ...
SHAME ON YOU...

Celardore
Gallente
Spontaneous Explosions
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:37:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Col Carter
...separating the product from the subscriber is perhaps a means of crowd control



My gosh... Crowd Control Productions.

Never before have I understood the name so well.

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:37:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Fred Ayurveda
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
It will be interesting in a few months to check the status of all the people who have gone "OHNOES!!!11!!!! I'M QUITTING" and see just how many are still in game.

This is a long overdue closing of a loophole that let people benefit unfairly and I for one am very happy with it.

IZ



You're scum, ****ting on your fellow players to the benefit of a greedy, out of touch company. Enjoy your trips to Iceland.


Oh i will for sure. Bye

Pellura
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:37:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Bonefish O'Hallahan
Originally by: Avon
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.


Avon, you're my homeboy. CCP, look! You're bald-faced liars!

selfownt. the level of CCP failure is truly astounding. it's not even epic, it's WICKED SICK EPIC FAIL.

Molten Steel
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:38:00 - [77]
 

I call BS & would also like to nominate this post/blog as worst damage control attempt ever...

You are a greedy money chewing monster - FACT.

But it's also a company. We make a product, sell it, get salaries and then continue maintaining the product and making it better.


You say it yourself - you are a company and your primary objective will always be to make money off our addiction to internet spaceships. Don't play this off as a balance issue or anything else. Have some bloody balls and just be frank about this. You'd still get smacked by most people but that's more because this is an absolutely ******ed change and whomever in your accountance-department came up with this idea should be fired, then rehired just so you can fire him again.

Again -1 account (someone should count this btw)

Ariah Constantine
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:38:00 - [78]
 

''There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription''

Doesn't actually matter because you have to pay the subscription fee to start training a skill in the first place.
I see no sense in this.

Tappits
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:38:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Tappits on 13/10/2008 23:38:17
?

Atterius
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:38:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Avon
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.


HUGE BUG OMG ITS A BUG OHH WAIT (thinks to self) though you guys said this was a feature? Rolling Eyes SOO confused.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:38:00 - [81]
 

Also, for those of you who'd like the silver lining to this raging ****storm, the prices of GTCs will probably go down from people not supporting a group of alt accounts via ghosting

Pinel
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:38:00 - [82]
 

This "bug" was listed as a feature in your own damn player guide/manual.

That makes no sense...


Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Funny how the balance argument disappeared, could you not be honest the first time around?

As for unsubscribed people loading your db, you know you have a pretty technical audience right?


Maybe we should stop posting here, they can realocate the storage space to the character database. Seems it needs shoring up with the "surge" in ghosts

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Aganola

1: something that has been IN the game for more than 4 years is not a bug anymore it's a feature




Damn, no hope for a fixed overview then.

Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 - [85]
 

so yes it was a **** you we want your money.

well in response FURB

NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: NeoShocker on 13/10/2008 23:40:07
While I understand the situation, however, given the SHORT notice of the news, its just not right. Its been going on for years, and you just announce this? plus this dev blog is vague. I'm not satisfied of this blog at all.

This change will little or no effect me. Just need to use my cash more wisely now. I admit I have few times "ghost training." This is my ONLY character for Eve-Online. I love this game and will continue to play since this has no direct effect on the game (other than alts). But given the circumstances, you guys did it at the WRONG time and/or SHORT notice.

I would really like to recommend you CCP guys to delay it at least a month so people will take time to take notice of this change.

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Avon
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.


You, sir, are a hero.

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:40:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Molten Steel
I call BS & would also like to nominate this post/blog as worst damage control attempt ever...

You are a greedy money chewing monster - FACT.

But it's also a company. We make a product, sell it, get salaries and then continue maintaining the product and making it better.


You say it yourself - you are a company and your primary objective will always be to make money off our addiction to internet spaceships. Don't play this off as a balance issue or anything else. Have some bloody balls and just be frank about this. You'd still get smacked by most people but that's more because this is an absolutely ******ed change and whomever in your accountance-department came up with this idea should be fired, then rehired just so you can fire him again.

Again -1 account (someone should count this btw)


Nah your not worth it

Seeker Ash
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:40:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Seeker Ash on 13/10/2008 23:43:16
1. The "surge" in this behavior is pretty convenient given the economy of the times, isn't it?

2. You have actively supported ghost training in the past. Saying it's an unintended bug makes you liars.

3. Not that I want to tell you how to do your business, but you're doing the exact opposite of giving your customers a little extra to make them pay for your luxury product in this strained economy.

4. Until there's a revolutionary planetside expansion that makes the game explosively popular and cements its future existence, I'm not playing. I say when and not if, I still have faith that the game will survive, just not enough that I want to risk giving it any commitment.

5. So long.

Laice
Caldari
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:40:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Suga H
"maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions."

Except that they had to pay if they wanted to use the character at any point in the future. Meaning people could take breaks and not be screwed out of time or money.

"There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription"

Ghosting Gal BS V didn't get me anything. I didn't advance any further in the game. Training the skill didn't buy me any capital ship skills. It didn't buy me a Kronos. It didn't earn me anything, it simply saved me time, and money, and allowed me to afford to be active on a second account.
When I resubbed with the first account, I didn't log on with anything new, other than the ability to train another skill (however without the ability to afford it, having not been active on that account).

"Players now have to pay a subscription for characters to have them progress"

They had to anyway. Now they have to pay to allow time to pass.


this ^^


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