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Salmack
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.19 18:29:00 - [6181]
 

O waaaa stop crying ffs. Pay for your accounts and you get to train like the rest of us. Not idle train so you can sell the characters. Damn

Tiel Enim
Posted - 2009.09.19 22:30:00 - [6182]
 

Originally by: Jaggati Khan
Originally by: Mia Aires
WOW, great answer Evil or Very Mad
CCP and other didn't ever heard something called CRM or Customoer Relationship Management




you mean customer service?

Cant imagine how that convo would go maybe something like this..

"hi ccp? id like to complain".

"ok sir what would you like to complain about?"

"well currently i am not paying for your game and whilst im not paying i think its disgraceful that i no longer get your services"

"........"


Maybe you should try that with your IP's and try and complain that you cant send an email....

Shocked

Honestly this is a business, in the real world, i realise you may have issues with this but if you dont pay any of your other bills in any other business do you honestly expect to still recieve their services?

Neutral


/end thread tbh.

Chani Fedaykin
Posted - 2009.09.20 08:04:00 - [6183]
 

its astonishing how ppl tend to not see (read) what they dont want to see (read).

this thread would have been abandoned a long time ago if those ppl would just stop posting here - claiming this thread is solely about the issue that ghost training was removed without acknowleding that the main issue is not THAT it was removed, but HOW :P

if you are not intelligent enough to identify the main motivation of the posters in a thread (even after beeing posted several times) and still feel confident in posting irrelevant replies ... its obvious the thread will not starve.

the only other obvious reason why those ppl could still be posting is that they like to 'produce' themselves, without caring that they will be percieved as ignorant / stupid by anyone else who is able to see the whole picture. i am no psychologishst - but perhaps those ppl just need to compensate for their lack of recieved attention in rl :P
hose ppl dont like this thread to starve anyways.

have a nice time - and perhaps consider to start thinking before posting ...

BoomBoomGoons
Posted - 2009.09.23 01:54:00 - [6184]
 

This still active, wow!!!! Who was training a 12 month skill and came back to find he got screwed :P

Gunnanmon
Gallente
PURPLE.
Posted - 2009.09.23 15:52:00 - [6185]
 

Originally by: BoomBoomGoons
This still active, wow!!!! Who was training a 12 month skill and came back to find he got screwed :P


Someone with really crap attributes.

Eniy Oh
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.09.30 00:43:00 - [6186]
 

Edited by: Eniy Oh on 30/09/2009 00:44:38
Die thread, die!

I understand people have been whining NOT so much about the fact ghost training was removed, but how. And people saying in here "stop whining about ghost training" just don't get it.

Fine.

Point made. About a HUNDRED times.

And CCP did make several statements about this issue, including an apology from CCP Torfi (sp?) in this topic. CBA to find the specific link, but it's there.

It's not CCP's problem if you guys simply can't accept the explanations that have been given to you.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.30 17:24:00 - [6187]
 

Edited by: Soma Khan on 30/09/2009 17:24:53
Originally by: Eniy Oh
Edited by: Eniy Oh on 30/09/2009 00:44:38
Die thread, die!

I understand people have been whining NOT so much about the fact ghost training was removed, but how. And people saying in here "stop whining about ghost training" just don't get it.

Fine.

Point made. About a HUNDRED times.

And CCP did make several statements about this issue, including an apology from CCP Torfi (sp?) in this topic. CBA to find the specific link, but it's there.

It's not CCP's problem if you guys simply can't accept the explanations that have been given to you.

That's what actually gives it away: explanations given, apology made, ghost training taken away, tears won't stop.

It's pretty obvious the "how could they lie" excuse for moaning is just a fig leaf for the butthurt over losing a freebie.

Root Canal
Posted - 2009.10.07 12:16:00 - [6188]
 

The reason the thread won't go away is that CCP committed unforgivable sins in nerfing unsubbed training which some of us will not forget, and because complete morons keep posting in the thread, morons who just don't get it.

Unsubbed training didn't cost CCP anything due to the way training works in Eve. It's not a process; it's not a server action; it's a one-time computation of a completion date on the RL calendar, done at the time the training step is "started." Nothing at all happens until that date is reached. It's the Eve client that creates the illusion of training being an ongoing process. The client computes and displays how much time remains, and creates the pulsating indicator of training in progress. The servers do nothing while training progresses. If an account lapses and becomes inactive, it can't even see the illusion of training "progressing."

In fact, the nerf of unsubbed training imposed a new server burden, since lapsed accounts have to be processed to pause their training after a few days. So while unsubbed training involved no server load at all, the nerf imposes server load that never existed before.

CCP lied about unsubbed training when they created a completely new name, "Ghost Training," and claimed it was a bug. Jeez, how arrogant! A bug, after it had been touted for years as a feature? Gimme a break. Then CCP changed their story about half a dozen times. The only thing they didn't do was tell the truth.

So I can't see any new development, any new offer from CCP, without remembering how they lied and nerfed a feature that was very powerful in bringing back lapsed accounts.

The morons who talk about char farming and selling have no idea what they're talking about. Unsubbed training didn't facilitate char farming or selling... it just provided a reason for lapsed accounts to come back again. These morons have not tried char farming to see how well it worked, nor have they done the math.

For my part, I have never bought nor sold an Eve char. I just don't like being lied to, and especially not when the feature being nerfed actually worked to CCP's benefit, thus it made no sense to nerf it.

Also for my part, I have idled some of my accounts from time to time to reduce what I pay to CCP, a form of fine levied against CCP for their unacceptable behavior.

Laice
Caldari
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2009.10.07 16:37:00 - [6189]
 

i for one welcome this thread staying open forever. Less people to mine my precious veldspar because they're whining on forums
<3 veldspar

Aikibe
Posted - 2009.10.09 22:54:00 - [6190]
 

Originally by: Laice
i for one welcome this thread staying open forever. Less people to mine my precious veldspar because they're whining on forums
<3 veldspar


lol

Gabriel Virtus
hirr
Posted - 2009.10.10 23:47:00 - [6191]
 

I am still upset about the way this was handled. It was clearly lied about and a mistake on CCPs part. They offered no explanations, they offered lies and then even apologized for their lies.

But alas, CCP redeemed itself with the new features and upgrades that they have done over the last cpl months. I am very happy with CCP at this time and think dominion will
be great. Thanks for you hard work CCP, but you stil screwed the pooch on this topic.

You turned a feature into a bug, a bug that last 3 years. You then lied about it apologized. This was a mistake and I will not forget this, nor will I return after the features or new game aspects run out because there is no reason to. Lets be honest, this game is not exciting a enough to hold your attention for years.

Anyway, You ****ed up and the player base will never forget it. Most you can do is redeem yourselves, which you are on your way to doing.

-GV

Mia Aires
Posted - 2009.10.23 22:12:00 - [6192]
 

Originally by: Root Canal
The reason the thread won't go away is that CCP committed unforgivable sins in nerfing unsubbed training which some of us will not forget, and because complete morons keep posting in the thread, morons who just don't get it.

Unsubbed training didn't cost CCP anything due to the way training works in Eve. It's not a process; it's not a server action; it's a one-time computation of a completion date on the RL calendar, done at the time the training step is "started." Nothing at all happens until that date is reached. It's the Eve client that creates the illusion of training being an ongoing process. The client computes and displays how much time remains, and creates the pulsating indicator of training in progress. The servers do nothing while training progresses. If an account lapses and becomes inactive, it can't even see the illusion of training "progressing."

In fact, the nerf of unsubbed training imposed a new server burden, since lapsed accounts have to be processed to pause their training after a few days. So while unsubbed training involved no server load at all, the nerf imposes server load that never existed before.

CCP lied about unsubbed training when they created a completely new name, "Ghost Training," and claimed it was a bug. Jeez, how arrogant! A bug, after it had been touted for years as a feature? Gimme a break. Then CCP changed their story about half a dozen times. The only thing they didn't do was tell the truth.

So I can't see any new development, any new offer from CCP, without remembering how they lied and nerfed a feature that was very powerful in bringing back lapsed accounts.

The morons who talk about char farming and selling have no idea what they're talking about. Unsubbed training didn't facilitate char farming or selling... it just provided a reason for lapsed accounts to come back again. These morons have not tried char farming to see how well it worked, nor have they done the math.

For my part, I have never bought nor sold an Eve char. I just don't like being lied to, and especially not when the feature being nerfed actually worked to CCP's benefit, thus it made no sense to nerf it.

Also for my part, I have idled some of my accounts from time to time to reduce what I pay to CCP, a form of fine levied against CCP for their unacceptable behavior.


+1 - can I have a child with you?

Boink'urr
Minmatar
Wasserette De Tarthorst
Posted - 2009.10.24 22:45:00 - [6193]
 

Originally by: Laice
i for one welcome this thread staying open forever. Less people to mine my precious veldspar because they're whining on forums
<3 veldspar


lolz... eh... if you cant do both at the same time i'm starting to wonder how you mine D:

Draighen
Posted - 2009.10.29 07:40:00 - [6194]
 

Too long to read them all.

LET us train two toons per account.

Thx,

Draighen

Fortuna Cournot
Caldari
Whiskey Loners
Whiskey Loners Alliance
Posted - 2009.10.29 14:42:00 - [6195]
 

This nerf is not enough! Let them pay for the ghost training time! Stick a new skill "Ghost Payback" to them, and disable skill training until they settled old scores. Very Happy

Law and Order.

Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.10.30 06:47:00 - [6196]
 

I'd never forget what CCP did and how you guys did it. It's written on stone for years to see. No matter how you sing on youtube, no matter how you paint it with shiny new ships, this won't go way too far like T20 incident.

RogueMind
Caldari
Posted - 2009.11.04 19:07:00 - [6197]
 

Originally by: Root Canal
The reason the thread won't go away is that CCP committed unforgivable sins in nerfing unsubbed training which some of us will not forget, and because complete morons keep posting in the thread, morons who just don't get it.

Unsubbed training didn't cost CCP anything due to the way training works in Eve. It's not a process; it's not a server action; it's a one-time computation of a completion date on the RL calendar, done at the time the training step is "started." Nothing at all happens until that date is reached. It's the Eve client that creates the illusion of training being an ongoing process. The client computes and displays how much time remains, and creates the pulsating indicator of training in progress. The servers do nothing while training progresses. If an account lapses and becomes inactive, it can't even see the illusion of training "progressing."

In fact, the nerf of unsubbed training imposed a new server burden, since lapsed accounts have to be processed to pause their training after a few days. So while unsubbed training involved no server load at all, the nerf imposes server load that never existed before.

CCP lied about unsubbed training when they created a completely new name, "Ghost Training," and claimed it was a bug. Jeez, how arrogant! A bug, after it had been touted for years as a feature? Gimme a break. Then CCP changed their story about half a dozen times. The only thing they didn't do was tell the truth.

So I can't see any new development, any new offer from CCP, without remembering how they lied and nerfed a feature that was very powerful in bringing back lapsed accounts.

The morons who talk about char farming and selling have no idea what they're talking about. Unsubbed training didn't facilitate char farming or selling... it just provided a reason for lapsed accounts to come back again. These morons have not tried char farming to see how well it worked, nor have they done the math.

For my part, I have never bought nor sold an Eve char. I just don't like being lied to, and especially not when the feature being nerfed actually worked to CCP's benefit, thus it made no sense to nerf it.

Also for my part, I have idled some of my accounts from time to time to reduce what I pay to CCP, a form of fine levied against CCP for their unacceptable behavior.


Hell with +1.
+100

Great post. Great Rant.
Nothin but truth

Persepoli
Posted - 2009.11.07 11:35:00 - [6198]
 

Originally by: xylopia
I'd never forget what CCP did and how you guys did it. It's written on stone for years to see. No matter how you sing on youtube, no matter how you paint it with shiny new ships, this won't go way too far like T20 incident.


But you are still here?? Can I have your stuff when you storm off towards the waiting whaaambulances? Laughing

Staplerfahrer Klaus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.11.07 23:36:00 - [6199]
 

I remember when this happened there was some outcry over the fact that while "ghost training" was disabled, accumulating research points/datacores or whatever (apologies, I'm not familiar with this in-game activity) while unsubscribed was NOT disabled, allowing customers to resubscribe and cash in a bunch of stuff that they accumulated while not paying for the game.

Was this ever rectified and disabled, or are people still able to benefit like this in-game without actually paying for the game?

Market Bandit
Posted - 2009.11.08 01:59:00 - [6200]
 

I just read this whole thread. Confused I should really go do something useful now


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