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CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.10.13 23:17:00 - [1]
 

As the recent news stated, we will disable the ability to train skills on a suspended account. Since this has caused a lot of debate we've decided to explain why we are making this change in a new Dev Blog by t0rfifrans: Why ghost training was disabled.

Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:20:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Yakumo Smith on 13/10/2008 23:30:01
Edited by: Yakumo Smith on 13/10/2008 23:25:50
There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription
CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak
Players now have to pay a subscription for characters to have them progress


Yeah funny thing about the credit crunch and all that, people sometimes lapse subscriptions....spiked recently you say....must be pure coincidence.

I also think you should allow current ghosts to run their course. (I don't ghost train)

Failing that, you should consider emailing all subscribers alerting them to this "bug" fix.

But given it's been running for 5 years, this seems about the right length of time for a "bug" fix for you guys :p

edited to add link to original locked thread to show true vocal effect original outrage thread

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:21:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 13/10/2008 23:33:16
Drama inc

Edit: I'd like to use this space to preemptively ask for your stuff if you're deciding to quit

Bonefish O'Hallahan
Gallente
Infinity Guitars
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:21:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Bonefish O''Hallahan on 13/10/2008 23:38:02

Pure, disingenuous bullcrap. If this was a bug you intended to fix, there's no earthly reason you waited this long. Shove it, you filthy liars. Smile

Gee, our "unintended bug" (which we've been using as a selling point of the game for years) is causing lots of people to buy accounts and train them, just not pay every month. HOW TERRIBLE. Now you get people NOT buying accounts or paying for them at all, along with a massive amount of bad voodoo and attention, coupled with the loss of a unique selling point. 100% bewildered.

Finally, you indescribable morons, have your blog response ready AT THE TIME YOU ANNOUNCE your boneheaded grasping. Years of terrible community relations and mistrust, and you can't be bothered to type up 200 words ahead of time? I'd ask you to show some professionalism, but if all the previous pleas haven't worked, mine certainly won't help.

e: Smile

Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:21:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 14/10/2008 00:04:27
Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 14/10/2008 00:01:11





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Quote:
Ghost Training was an unintended feature


No it wasn't.

Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive


You contradict your own knowledge base.

Pure hypocrisy.

In the blog, you try to justify this by talking about bug fixing, game balance issues and database issues across the space of a few paragraphs.

Do you even know yourselves why you're doing this?

Will you be removing all other "offline" activities? POS work, manufacturing, RP generation, market orders the list goes on.

-3 accounts. Purely for lying to us, you shameless money grabbing corporate *****s.

SkwisgaarSkwigelf
Deliciously Vicious
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:22:00 - [6]
 

/facepalm

there goes one of my accounts, regardless of your "reasons"

Dakisha
The NomNomNom
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:22:00 - [7]
 

Would love to see a copy of the 'active subscriptions' chart right now..

You would have thought 50 pages in the first few hours was a big enough hint, but no - classic CCP PR at work here - just keep on rolling, oblivious to all..

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:22:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:33:51
Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:22:50
I don't mind this change at all as my accounts have always been active, but...

..you'd better be real quick cleaning out the forums of historical CCP posts about this "feature" as it was, before you try to make out it is now a "bug".


Added from my later post:
Hey, your bug...

Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive

I found it in the player guide.

You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.

Makkiel
Amarr
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 - [9]
 

As i said in the other thread:

This probably is the worst thing you could do...

Aganola
Amarr
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 - [10]
 

meh

still fail

Peter VonThal
Raygun Technologies
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 - [11]
 

So all this time until now this "bug" was used as a positive feature and a selling point of EVE.
Rolling Eyes

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 - [12]
 

Sudden surge of this? Seriously, CCP. Show us numbers. I'd like to see your proof: Hell, how can you prove it has been happening?

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 - [13]
 

Its final then.

Either give us easier skill-training methods (like the already-demanded-for skill queue, even 1 skill deep would suffice) or expect the massive drop of customer satisfaction and the effect of lost subscriptions.

I myself will shout my dissatisfaction by not renewing my only account. Thank you for the time CCP, but your decision basically killed off one of the few great things about EVE to me, personally.

Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:24:00 - [14]
 

Quote:
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.


Nanos break the physics engine amirite?

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:24:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:25:38
Quote:
it is now official - CCP is run by morons. bye bye my 4 accounts - I'm only keeping one at max.


If you weren't paying for them all at the same time anyway, who cares?

wide
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:24:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: wide on 13/10/2008 23:25:59
Nicely timed with Iceland's wider woes.

I actually thought this feature was a smart (and cheap) way of buying goodwill from CCP's customers. However I guess cash is king these days.

BoroDracula
4 wing
Dara Cothrom
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:24:00 - [17]
 

So if this was reversed, every player paid there GTC and was online using them, no accounts offline ghost learning. Wouldnt this put more strain on the server again

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:24:00 - [18]
 

OK that's a lot more honest, at least. Foolish, but plausible.

So why the terribly insulting rubbish (the word I really want to use just comes out as asterisks) about "game balance" in the initial announcement?


Did it ever occur to you that maybe - just maybe - a lot of people are kind of insecure in their financial position at the moment, and they're cutting back on unnecesarry expenses right now?

Did it occur to you that it might be a good idea to give them an incentive to return?

Did it occur to you that increasing the perceived cost of an alt - with 2 days notice - just after you finished a promotion to get people to reate alt accounts might be seen as just a teeny tiny bit like, you know, a good old fashioned bait-and-switch?

Anyway, you're losing two intermittent subs from me. Get one of those accounts from Lehman brothers - he'll tell you how to turn that into a net gain, I'm sure.

Iridius Fervus
Amarr
Black Serpent Technologies
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Peter VonThal
So all this time until now this "bug" was used as a positive feature and a selling point of EVE.
Rolling Eyes


pwnt

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:25:00 - [20]
 

Not to mention... What about the "unfair" advantage we older players got? How are you going to balance that out for new players?

LordSwift
Caldari
The Riot Act
Sacra Cupola
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [21]
 

Good riddence to all of you that are closing your accounts for good. More isk for me to make. Serves you right for having 3+ accounts. I enjoy my one character who can multitask and have a good time. For one monthly fee.

on a serious note, Yes CCP should of clamped down on this years ago. But everyone knows what CCP's Soon is like.
Please transfer ur isk and stuff to me please. I will make good use of it

Phyridean
LEGION OF PROFESSOR CHAOS
Darkmatter Initiative
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [22]
 

You don't suppose the recent surge you saw in this was people not having the extra cash for a game subscription hoping to come back in after the worldwide financial difficulties?

Doing this won't gain those players back, it will lose them. Irrevocably.

Laice
Caldari
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [23]
 

was the post locked previously?

Charly Quickfire
Ceptacemia
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [24]
 

Did you just lock a 50 pages thread of customer feedback? Nice job.

I gonna repeat myself, only time will tell if this is financially good or bad for EVE/CCP.
Personally, I will spend less money for EVE.

/sarcasm on
3 chars per account is deeply wrong as well. Allowing only one char per account should tripple CCP's revenue.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:22:50
I don't mind this change at all as my accounts have always been active, but...

..you'd better be real quick cleaning out the forums of historical CCP posts about this "feature" as it was, before you try to make out it is now a "bug".



good luck with that - unless they have a mod account at chribba's site too...

Tappits
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Seth Ruin
Not to mention... What about the "unfair" advantage we older players got? How are you going to balance that out for new players?

from now on your SP go down? is that ok with you? sounds ok to me

Tradimar
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:26:00 - [27]
 

All those people 'abusing' the system to train skills, they're going to resubscribe did you realise that? Or at least they were...

Business 101 - repeat customers are the best customers

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:27:00 - [28]
 

So uh how exactly is this going to work, will skills stop where they are on wednesday on inactive accounts or get reset back to what they were when account ran out ?

You guys do realize you're going to lose a few thousand accounts solely because of this right ?

If you want more money which is the only message I can see in the devblog you're going about it the wrong way.

dropouthighschoolteacher
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:27:00 - [29]
 

Hi.

Unsubbed all my accounts.

I truly hope that CCP will understand my actions.

Carsidava
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.10.13 23:27:00 - [30]
 

Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash.

If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts?

Why are only skill points being hit?

Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.


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