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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:03:00 - [61]
 

Sorry... haven't had my tetanus (sp?) shot.

Besides... I ran out when I couldn't drown out the whining. : O P

Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:08:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 14/10/2008 17:09:14
Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 14/10/2008 17:08:31
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
It has pros and cons really, if you look at the big picture.

People that have to go away from Eve had something to return for, their long-run skill finishing.

On the other hand there are people creating a bunch of alts while strategically letting them lapse until they're ready to, like, be sold off or gather research points (while the account is not paid for either).

I understand CCPs reasons, but I think the problem is inherent in the way the skill system is done, in that there is no way to progress your character in game, no way to catch up with older players, and spending your first month only training those darned learning skills. Of course, whatever is changed to the skill system now is going to result in a whine just as big as this one is.

In it's current form, all of this sounds like a money grab.

Thats why I want two things from CCP in return for this nerf:

30 Day Gametime Codes back NOW!
A skill queue!


Skill training on a lapsed account really isnt that much of an issue, it brought people back to this game. And so what if people used it to train alts, you had to sub that alt for 30 days at a time in order to set the next skill. This was more money in CCP's pocket. A large number of V skills finish before 30 days, so you usually would have an alt account 30 days on, 20ish days off (unless you were training a Rank 8+ skill to V).

I always thought training skills was to be detached from actually playing the game. A person ghost training a skill isnt logged in with that character and isnt playing the game or effecting the game world with that character.

The end result of this will be a huge drop in subscriptions for CCP, people will not find it worth it to keep alt accounts going and will just transfer their alts to their main accounts and forget training all together after they get the alt built.

What they should do instead is prevent RP gains while on an inactive account and introduce a skill queue that only works on active accounts. These 2 things would fix a needed advantage, and would add to the game in a way most players want and would find very convienent.

I was up until recently considering getting an alt account so I can train up some useful alts, now it seems like a worthless idea and would just cost too much extra money for a character I will not be playing that often.

Tradimar
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:45:00 - [63]
 

CCP should just get rid of trial accounts. As a paying account holder, I object to other people playing for free! This is an exploit! (I know, they advertised this "trial" as a feature for a long time.) Plz fix asap.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:53:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 14/10/2008 17:54:12
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 14/10/2008 17:53:48
Originally by: Tradimar
CCP should just get rid of trial accounts. As a paying account holder, I object to other people playing for free! This is an exploit! (I know, they advertised this "trial" as a feature for a long time.) Plz fix asap.


T.T

KAELA MENSHA
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:28:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: KAELA MENSHA on 14/10/2008 18:29:44
Originally by: Draygo Korvan
Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 14/10/2008 17:09:14
Edited by: Draygo Korvan on 14/10/2008 17:08:31
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
It has pros and cons really, if you look at the big picture.

People that have to go away from Eve had something to return for, their long-run skill finishing.

On the other hand there are people creating a bunch of alts while strategically letting them lapse until they're ready to, like, be sold off or gather research points (while the account is not paid for either).

I understand CCPs reasons, but I think the problem is inherent in the way the skill system is done, in that there is no way to progress your character in game, no way to catch up with older players, and spending your first month only training those darned learning skills. Of course, whatever is changed to the skill system now is going to result in a whine just as big as this one is.

In it's current form, all of this sounds like a money grab.

Thats why I want two things from CCP in return for this nerf:

30 Day Gametime Codes back NOW!
A skill queue!


Skill training on a lapsed account really isnt that much of an issue, it brought people back to this game. And so what if people used it to train alts, you had to sub that alt for 30 days at a time in order to set the next skill. This was more money in CCP's pocket. A large number of V skills finish before 30 days, so you usually would have an alt account 30 days on, 20ish days off (unless you were training a Rank 8+ skill to V).

I always thought training skills was to be detached from actually playing the game. A person ghost training a skill isnt logged in with that character and isnt playing the game or effecting the game world with that character.

The end result of this will be a huge drop in subscriptions for CCP, people will not find it worth it to keep alt accounts going and will just transfer their alts to their main accounts and forget training all together after they get the alt built.

What they should do instead is prevent RP gains while on an inactive account and introduce a skill queue that only works on active accounts. These 2 things would fix a needed advantage, and would add to the game in a way most players want and would find very convienent.

I was up until recently considering getting an alt account so I can train up some useful alts, now it seems like a worthless idea and would just cost too much extra money for a character I will not be playing that often.


Thinking of doing just that atm.

Have 3 accounts, might transfer to 1 account taking the main off each account

Zinnn
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:58:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
This was a change that needed to be made, and I say that as someone who exploited the hell out of the old system(Gallente Cruiser V, Drone Interfacing V, Gallente Battleship V, and Advanced Weapon Upgrades V were all trained by me while unpaid). It was a system I used to good effect, but that doesn't change that it was a bad system.

The one thing I look forward to especially is that this removes one(dumb, but still frequently used) argument against skill queues. No, skill queues will not allow a player to come back to a maxed-out dreadnought pilot after a one-month subscription and three years of waiting.


I say let the skill that's currently being trained, complete. If there's more in the queue, it stops training. This gives added peace of mind for subscribers and less peace of mind for people that want to take advantage of this. I"m still against the proposed ghost training nerf.

Xyzibit
Caldari
New-Roots
Posted - 2008.10.15 00:14:00 - [67]
 

supported...Exclamation ccp should rethink and stop the patch tomorrow

Moustache McGee
Posted - 2008.10.15 03:23:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Hell this is great.... I see a great potential of <coughmoronscough> leaveing the population of EVE online.

Means bigger fights...less lag.

<raises glass of wine> cheers.


I know its a little bit late but seriously, how does Less People = Bigger Fights

Blaze Forerunner
The Elite Insurrection

Posted - 2008.10.15 03:31:00 - [69]
 

This has been around for far to long, as is supported by their own documentation.

This is a bad idea, and even as someone who has never ghost trained, this is a notch down on the customer service scale imho.


Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.10.15 03:40:00 - [70]
 

Can I say I've never taken advantage of the "Ghost Training" bug? No.
Can I say I agree with the way they suddenly banned "Ghost Training"? No.
Can I say I'm upset with the "Ghost Training" thing being stopped? No.

I know some skills take forever and a day to train, and I've felt that sting (BS 5 anybody?), but I think CCP was well in their right to stop the process. For too long, people have been 'playing without paying' both in RP, SP, Market Orders, etc. It's about time CCP stopped the process and let the game be truly player driven, instead of inactive account driven.

The long-term effects are that some vets will stop playing, which is neither good nor bad, and that less capital ships will be fielded, which is good honestly. I do wish they'd stop all gain from inactive accounts, and implement the skill queue, but one step at a time.

I cannot support this thread, as this is CCP's game, and we just play to share in their virtual world and maybe even change it a bit. Kudos, CCP.

Col Callahan
Caldari
Boogie Monsters

Posted - 2008.10.15 04:00:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Col Callahan on 15/10/2008 04:00:18
I support EVE not being a **** hole pice of crap. but if thats what CCP wants to do then they can find new jobs for all I care and I can find a new game

Black prophecy looks good and so dose Jump gate evo. By by CCP, lies and greed will not be tolerated by me.

Shu Jia
Gallente
Tradewind Union

Posted - 2008.10.15 04:16:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Shu Jia on 15/10/2008 04:20:03
stop the patch!YARRRR!!

Daan Sai
Polytrope
Posted - 2008.10.15 05:50:00 - [73]
 

Poorly thought out change, even more poorly handled.

B'atou
Gallente
Projekt Erzengel
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2008.10.15 06:53:00 - [74]
 

I'm just using this post as an example
Originally by: Oncely Magnanimous
canceling my 5 accounts as soon as they open the Account Management section back up.
seriously, why do people need 5 accounts, when 3, or 4 of them are ghosttrained? What are people doing with 5 accounts? I have two i'm paying all time.

I can understand the decission and support it. Imho, professional ghost training is like macromining. Paying less money for a character, not really playing it, skill it to capship and then selling it for billions on the charactermarket isn't the way, ccp intended the players to uses this feature of the Game.
In addition to that, I think CCP is aware of the fact, that they will loose subscribers, and accepted that.

Besides that, the financial situation can't be that bad for CCP, because they want to hire people again.

In addition would it changed anything, when they asked the community about it? That would have changed nothing for anybody of those, that are grumbled about it.

p.s. can i have the stuff of those, that quit the game? Just contract the stuff on my character Wink

Druegar
Posted - 2008.10.15 08:52:00 - [75]
 

supported

Doris Dragonbreath
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.10.15 08:52:00 - [76]
 


Li Freeman
Posted - 2008.10.15 08:53:00 - [77]
 


Dr Prometheus
Caldari
Gears of Construction

Posted - 2008.10.15 11:13:00 - [78]
 

Cancceled one of my constant paying accounts as protest.

Zizifull Moramir
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:19:00 - [79]
 


Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:25:00 - [80]
 

Heh, compared to the tropical storm in the information portal, this thread is quite the failure. Guess people don't care *that* much about the issue.Razz

10of10
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:32:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: 10of10 on 15/10/2008 15:32:33
What is this ccp with an alt trying to get you to stop posting in the epic thread. Get back to the thread on this topic dont let them use this bait and switch game with a "new" post.

Rafus
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:32:00 - [82]
 

I vote no to the change.

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:34:00 - [83]
 

no

Taat Ricedi
Trade Guild Inperium

Posted - 2008.10.15 15:36:00 - [84]
 

/signed

Besrezen Kantos
Trade Guild Inperium

Posted - 2008.10.15 15:37:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Besrezen Kantos on 15/10/2008 15:37:24
supported

Ratio Legis
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:41:00 - [86]
 

Do not remove ghost training.

Daxit
Caldari
SiN. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:43:00 - [87]
 

i love this killing of ghost training , time to signup another account

Kev Hunter
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:43:00 - [88]
 

3 accounts suspended and a 4th account will not be bought until ghost training become re-activated.

/signed.

Lag
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:46:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Lag on 15/10/2008 20:52:14
Subscription canceled already.

Edit: This is an awesome game.

Dian Cecht
Omnicorp Enterprises

Posted - 2008.10.15 15:46:00 - [90]
 

Get's my vote. Epic fail.

Dian


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