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Yendaj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:32:00 - [61]
 


Heretic Nation has now been accused of orchestrating this act of betrayal, just because Megan Maynard was in Heretics for a very short amount of time...

Let me address this now

1. We were probably the best corp to target as far as a betrayal goes
2. We just arent that stupid
3. We dont hand out roles to anyone we havent known for a very long time
4. We used to provide ships, mods and isk to Minmatar out of our own pockets
5. I gave Electus Matari a ship worth atleast 100 mil to use as a prize
6. We were ripped off before faction war 2 billion by a trusted Director and would never make that mistake again
7. We loathe corp thieves (refer to 6)
8. The Minmatar have royally shyte on us on many occasions
9. We take our revenge for things the old fashioned way as pirates
10. We just blow **** up when seeking said revenge

Any problems with comprehending that all you pathetic witch hunting Minmatar and especially Lewis of the 17th.... Get hooked on phonics special Minmatar edition

Or...

Get stuffed.... I am about down with your ******ed blame throwing...

You stuffed up, you handed out roles and shares to someone you barely knew and you got burned...

You blew up Heretic ships 2 mins after being told we were there shooting our own enemies who werent in any militia (for an opportunity kill no less...as we went flashy red)

You are hypocrites and cowards..........Take responsibility for your own mess, you created it, now deal with the consequences...

All of the above is the reason why Heretics left faction warfare....

You can stop whining now, we are actively shooting everyone....You arent special..

The Pirates have created a 5th Militia, the only bonus to this is, we finally get to fly with competent pilots, who dont need baby sitting, who dont whine when things go wrong, who fight outnumbered and with sentry guns attacking them also....and to the amazement of so many who dont know how to pilot a ship properly....we usually win...

You all had low sec become a safe zone for far too long, you have taken it for granted that you could move around freely in low sec as though it were empire...

The tears that are flowing now are because you dont quite comprehend you entered an arena that has been the home of pirates for eons....

Now those pirates are taking back what belongs to them already...

You can have little flashy signs staked out everywhere saying this system belongs to Amarr, this system belongs to Minmatar..... Makes no difference to us.....Because we all know, and very soon you will all comprehend, that the sov in a system is pointless, when its occupied by Pirates...

Dont feel so comfortable in low sec anymore, dont fly those navy megathrons and haulers across the great divide of low sec as though you are safe, because theres now a pirate on every corner, just waiting for your stupidity to provide them with a kill...

Get out now while you still have your ships, because you left your dignity in high security space a long long time ago....

YARRRR!!


Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.10.14 11:51:00 - [62]
 

With regard to Megan...

If it looks like a %&*!, talks like a %&*! and acts like a %&*!, it's probably a %&*!.

Regarding Heretic... Yendaj, I've been out of the loop for a while. Is it OK if I sling you a convo later to get your side of the story?

Yendaj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:53:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Evanda Char
With regard to Megan...

If it looks like a %&*!, talks like a %&*! and acts like a %&*!, it's probably a %&*!.

Regarding Heretic... Yendaj, I've been out of the loop for a while. Is it OK if I sling you a convo later to get your side of the story?



Yes, no problems there, we have no issue with you or anyone else that hasnt carried on like a right moron towards us, especially after all we have done for Minmatar since faction war began...

To say im not royally peeved off right now would be an understatement...


Marcos Dirritu
Minmatar
Fearless Scouts
Posted - 2008.10.14 12:20:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Yendaj
8. The Minmatar have royally shyte on us on many occasions


No, we haven't. You are blaming some isolated incidents from a few idiotic members of the militia on the whole militia. You are conveniently forgetting that there is no way to restrict the membership in the militia, or to enforce any kind of rule, and treat the militia as an alliance, which it isn't.

Heretics have stood in the highest regards for most of the militia for a long time. MirrorGod was the best-liked FC the militia had. When Heretics called, people brought everything they had.

Until quite recently.

Heretic Nation told a number of Minmatar Militia corps that mutual blue would be nice, as the Nation would move in to the area. The mutual blue was agreed upon with a number of corporations. That was the wise thing to do - "the militia" is not a coherent entity, so individual agreements are important.

Then MirrorGod left for a few days due to other business. Yendaj took it upon herself to reset all the blues, without informing the individual corporations about it, having her members shoot on formerly blue people, and then throwing a tantrum on the forums on how mean the militia is. Oh, right, also at the same time declaring themselves to be allies of the Amarr now, and the Minmatar Militia to be their enemy.

Now, Heretic Militia members, people in the militia, are firing on other militia members, and are fleeting up with other militia members and are trying to gang warp them into traps - and other such beautiful things.

With unprofessional unannounced standing resets like these, backstabbing supposed allies like this, are you really confused that people think that two different backstabbing traitors that start their business basically at the same time might be related?

I doubt it they are, though. Unless Yendaj implemented this without MirrorGod's knowledge. But who knows.

Hoffnar
Posted - 2008.10.14 16:32:00 - [65]
 

Yendaj, when the theft first happened, the thought of Heretics having some hand in it was by no means out of the question. Besides Megan's prior connection to your corp, the timing of the incident along with recent events seemed...questionable. In the past 72 hours Heretics have done nothing but try and sabotage the militia before they leave it. What better way to sabotage then to steal all the assets of one of the active militia corps. Although we know it wasn't Heretics that was behind it, you can hardly blame anyone, especially in light of recent events, for thinking that it might have been.

In regard to the rest of your rant...get over yourself. You are beginning to sound like a broken record, saying the same thing over and over again. This was a line of communication discussing a corporate theft, and you took it as another chance to whine about your ship getting popped, militia not appreciating you, pirates, etc.

Back on topic, thank you to all the corps and supporters who have helped the 17th get back on its feet under a new name. Now that we are up and running again, we'll be able to direct our anger back to where it truly belongs.

Val Sharen
Caldari
Freewind Ventures
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:00:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Val Sharen on 14/10/2008 17:06:51
Originally by: Yendaj

Heretic Nation has now been accused of orchestrating this act of betrayal, just because Megan Maynard was in Heretics for a very short amount of time...

Let me address this now

1. We were probably the best corp to target as far as a betrayal goes
2. We just arent that stupid
3. We dont hand out roles to anyone we havent known for a very long time
4. We used to provide ships, mods and isk to Minmatar out of our own pockets
5. I gave Electus Matari a ship worth atleast 100 mil to use as a prize
6. We were ripped off before faction war 2 billion by a trusted Director and would never make that mistake again
7. We loathe corp thieves (refer to 6)
8. The Minmatar have royally shyte on us on many occasions
9. We take our revenge for things the old fashioned way as pirates
10. We just blow **** up when seeking said revenge

Any problems with comprehending that all you pathetic witch hunting Minmatar and especially Lewis of the 17th.... Get hooked on phonics special Minmatar edition

Or...

Get stuffed.... I am about down with your ******ed blame throwing...

You stuffed up, you handed out roles and shares to someone you barely knew and you got burned...

You blew up Heretic ships 2 mins after being told we were there shooting our own enemies who werent in any militia (for an opportunity kill no less...as we went flashy red)

You are hypocrites and cowards..........Take responsibility for your own mess, you created it, now deal with the consequences...

All of the above is the reason why Heretics left faction warfare....

You can stop whining now, we are actively shooting everyone....You arent special..

The Pirates have created a 5th Militia, the only bonus to this is, we finally get to fly with competent pilots, who dont need baby sitting, who dont whine when things go wrong, who fight outnumbered and with sentry guns attacking them also....and to the amazement of so many who dont know how to pilot a ship properly....we usually win...

You all had low sec become a safe zone for far too long, you have taken it for granted that you could move around freely in low sec as though it were empire...

The tears that are flowing now are because you dont quite comprehend you entered an arena that has been the home of pirates for eons....

Now those pirates are taking back what belongs to them already...

You can have little flashy signs staked out everywhere saying this system belongs to Amarr, this system belongs to Minmatar..... Makes no difference to us.....Because we all know, and very soon you will all comprehend, that the sov in a system is pointless, when its occupied by Pirates...

Dont feel so comfortable in low sec anymore, dont fly those navy megathrons and haulers across the great divide of low sec as though you are safe, because theres now a pirate on every corner, just waiting for your stupidity to provide them with a kill...

Get out now while you still have your ships, because you left your dignity in high security space a long long time ago....

YARRRR!!




Let me say even though my sister and I have disagreements, dishonesty, disloyalty and theft are not things she does. Nor do any of the Heretics.
A good bunch of people they have always been and always will be and they have been hurt before as she has said and would not do that to another person or corp it is not right from a business perspective or friendship perspective.

So look elsewhere to shift blame to or perhaps back to where it truly belongs, upon the person who committed the crime. In the end that is what matters.

I am not sure of the politics with them since I left the Nation a couple months ago, however I am talking about simple things, not the politics of the militia which frankly were beyond me even at the time I was in.

All have an opinion and all can voice it, sometimes it is just not worth the trouble. Some I see are quite vocal I am glad some are getting things off their chests so to speak.

*waves to the comm panel*

Righteous Fury
Viziam
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:33:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Righteous Fury on 14/10/2008 18:36:20
Excellent work, it seems the second stage of the plan is coming together nicely.

Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:34:00 - [68]
 

Pilots, we're back in business.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=896490

Yendaj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:36:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Marcos Dirritu
Originally by: Yendaj
8. The Minmatar have royally shyte on us on many occasions


No, we haven't. You are blaming some isolated incidents from a few idiotic members of the militia on the whole militia. You are conveniently forgetting that there is no way to restrict the membership in the militia, or to enforce any kind of rule, and treat the militia as an alliance, which it isn't.

Heretics have stood in the highest regards for most of the militia for a long time. MirrorGod was the best-liked FC the militia had. When Heretics called, people brought everything they had.

Until quite recently.

Heretic Nation told a number of Minmatar Militia corps that mutual blue would be nice, as the Nation would move in to the area. The mutual blue was agreed upon with a number of corporations. That was the wise thing to do - "the militia" is not a coherent entity, so individual agreements are important.

Then MirrorGod left for a few days due to other business. Yendaj took it upon herself to reset all the blues, without informing the individual corporations about it, having her members shoot on formerly blue people, and then throwing a tantrum on the forums on how mean the militia is. Oh, right, also at the same time declaring themselves to be allies of the Amarr now, and the Minmatar Militia to be their enemy.

Now, Heretic Militia members, people in the militia, are firing on other militia members, and are fleeting up with other militia members and are trying to gang warp them into traps - and other such beautiful things.

With unprofessional unannounced standing resets like these, backstabbing supposed allies like this, are you really confused that people think that two different backstabbing traitors that start their business basically at the same time might be related?

I doubt it they are, though. Unless Yendaj implemented this without MirrorGod's knowledge. But who knows.


Instead of listening to hearsay and ravings from other people, why dont you try a few facts..

Minmatar attacked tfs and heretics as we left on an op the very day tfs arrived in the area after me getting 17th tactical blues to tfs...

So then TFS ofcourse decided all bets are off... If the mins intend to shoot flashy reds for opportunity kills, so be it......

All hell broke loose with Minmatar after a few of them died and next minute the usual b*ll**** and propaganda spews forth out of the spies mouthes..... Oh heretics is setting us up, heretics is back stabbing us, blah blah

Biggest mouthes of all, Maarge Blood and Eran Mintor in all of this...

Then we have a plan for almost two hours in Minmatar Militia chat how the Minmatar are going to drop 2 dreadnaughts on our cap ships... Said dreads are dropped, one docks in structure, several ships lost..

Then ofcourse we have 17th tactical member sitting at a gate for 2 minutes with his fleet waiting until we had finished shooting 2 battleship class ships before he then opens fire on me with the rest of his fleet...

Dont bother trying to twist things to your advantage or make out that heretics reset standings with no word...

Every single person on TLF Intel channel was informed of the standings reset on the spot and most of them sent me private commnunications saying standings reset and I confirmed..

If your CEO didnt inform you then stiff **** in my opinion...

It has been well known for several days now that Heretics standings are completely reset, its been broadcast all over Galnet what is going on with us.... Why is it that you can all read the last communication in this thread, but are incapable to reading every other piece of communication regarding recent events with Heretics??

This is probably why you did get ripped off I should think....

You all have the slave mentality anyway...........None of you will get off your a*ses and do anything for yourselves without someone else leading you by your hair towards the goal..

Yendaj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:41:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Yendaj on 14/10/2008 19:49:34
17th Minmatar also set us red, they reset first and instead of setting neutral set us as red... Without telling me....Red to most people means KOS, so you can draw your own conclusions now on how this got where it did..

As for me resettig without Mirrorgods knowledge... I am the CEO of Heretic Army, I am running the Heretic Nation alliance..........Unlike the Minmatar....I dont need someone holding my hand when I make a decision that is best for my alliance and my pilots...

It took Mirrorgod FC'ing 12 hours a day for Minmatar to even get where they did..

Then ofcourse there hundreds of Minmatar that used to run around stealing loot and not exactly participating in anything but the act of theft and opportunity salvage..

Were you capable of putting as much effort into claiming systems and fighting the Amarr without us, as you are in pointing the finger and blaming Heretics when things go wrong..

You would probably have this war won already, even without us....

The likelihood of that now?...

ZERO

As for the CEO of Slackers, dont be a moron.....

No Amarr had any hand in planning the pirates attack on bleak lands....

Only pirates are smart enough to pull something like this off in the first place...

Good luck in empire... o/

(edit: Left the n off then)

Marcos Dirritu
Minmatar
Fearless Scouts
Posted - 2008.10.14 20:00:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Marcos Dirritu on 14/10/2008 20:22:09
Edited by: Marcos Dirritu on 14/10/2008 20:21:32
Ok. Forget what I wrote here at first, not interested in starting a debate on exact dates.

To sum it up from your point of view:


  • You, a group of flashy pirates, move to Minmatar space, freely shooting at neutrals. Like, most of the Minmatar Militia.

  • Some neutral minmatar militia pilot shoots at you

  • You reset all blue standings towards all Minmatar Militia corps you had before

  • You announce that standing reset by noting it in a shared intel channel

  • You throw a tantrum on how the militia is mean to you



Did I get this right?

Originally by: Yendaj
Yes, TFS came to the area not intending to shoot anyone. They only said they are NBSI


Marcos Dirritu
Minmatar
Fearless Scouts
Posted - 2008.10.14 20:02:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Marcos Dirritu on 14/10/2008 20:22:49
Ok, adding again as it got quoted :-)

Originally by: Yendaj
17th Minmatar also set us red, they reset first and instead of setting neutral set us as red... Without telling me....Red to most people means KOS, so you can draw your own conclusions now on how this got where it did..


17th is an NRDS corporation. "Red" for NRDS means their pilots are allowed to shoot at you. You know, like "neutral" to NBSI. They set you red after you backstabbed the militia. Are you surprised?

Quote:
It took Mirrorgod FC'ing 12 hours a day for Minmatar to even get where they did..


And it took you only half that time to destroy everything he built up. Congrats.

Yendaj
Minmatar
Silentread Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.14 20:22:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Marcos Dirritu
Originally by: Yendaj
17th Minmatar also set us red, they reset first and instead of setting neutral set us as red... Without telling me....Red to most people means KOS, so you can draw your own conclusions now on how this got where it did..


17th is an NRDS corporation. "Red" for NRDS means their pilots are allowed to shoot at you. You know, like "neutral" to NBSI. They set you red after you backstabbed the militia. Are you surprised?

Quote:
It took Mirrorgod FC'ing 12 hours a day for Minmatar to even get where they did..


And it took you only half that time to destroy everything he built up. Congrats.


You actually assume that Mirrorgod isnt happy with what is going on right now.... That is probably because you dont even realise that Mirrorgod and I live together.... sigh

As for you twisting things around to suit yourself and your sordid view...

What is the point in trying to explain something to someone like you? You will on see what you want and think what you want, you are a man after all...

Higher levels of intelligence are always well known to stem from the female brain...

Even our capacity for logic seems to far outweigh what a man can manage to fathom...

If Mirrorgod had any issue with what was going on right now.... He wouldnt have entered faction war as a -10 Pirate with good intentions...

That pirate led the Minmatar to Victory, I know, I was at his side the entire time....

We managed to choke down alot of the bull **** from the very beginning and still pulled out the other side.... But dont kid yourself young man........ Mirrorgod is now and always will be a Pirate..

Heretics is now and always has been a Pirate Alliance...

Unfortunately we had to slot ourselves in some little funnel directed by Concord, the Republic and many other sanctions and govt directives....

It is amazing we lasted as long as we did....

Pirates won your war for you in the first couple of months...

Pirates are now taking it away from you...

No more tears.... Just learn to deal with it...YARRRR!!

Khan Rodak
Amarr
Manu Dei
Posted - 2008.10.14 20:29:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Originally by: Khan Rodak
On my vocabulary, sub-human IS and MEANS sub-human. Period!



Saying the Minmitar are sub-human, means it would be blaspheming to teach them the Word. Do you teach cows the Word? Of course you do not, for cows are not human!

Suppose the Minmitar were sub-human?
That would mean that everything done in the past hundreds of years would have been blasphemous.
And this current Reclaiming would also be blasphemous.
And Lady Sarum who wishes the Minmitar to learn the Word would also be a blasphemer.

So, I say to you, that your opinion of the Minmitar as sub-human is wrong.



A monkey playing tricks, is far from beeing human. A parrot talking, is far from beeing human.

An animal able to speak, listen or learn is still an animal.

So, I say to you, that your knowledge about what we do and what we stand for is wrong.






MobyMule
Minmatar
Metallic Dragons
Posted - 2008.10.14 20:35:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: MobyMule on 14/10/2008 20:36:13
I think there are two issues here. First is milita mechanics suck. A stucture like concord gave us is impossible to control to the extant of people killing non militia corps/alliances. It doesn't matter if a good many of the corps were set blue or even knew TFS was coming in. There are too many loose cannons to control and to many variables with all the different standings issues. I don't think that is a valid reason to go postal on everyone but a good enough one for a pirate. I think the Heretics are tying to make a statement about said structure through these actions. It just sucks for the rest of us still in milita. Second is that I think until Rank and controlling systems has some sort of payoff from our faction then we will continue to lose good pilots.

Also I give much respect to the Heretic FC's who did a great job. I think they did very well in showing alot of the noobish milita how to organize fleets and how to fight organized warfare. Their efforts speak for themselves and they need to be recognized for it.

Congrats to Neu and the boys from 17th for getting back up and running and I look forward to the many fun days ahead.

Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2008.10.14 21:45:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Yendaj
Accusations, threats, and yes, even her own whining.


Well, I've been trying to reason with Yendaj for this past weekend, however her own opinions are so deeply lodged in her brain that it's a waste of time. Quite simply, they're pirates, and while they say they were here for the Matari freedom fighters, their true motive was the murder of Amarr. They did a lot of work offensively for the TLF, but trying to get them to see the good in our own work was impossible; it was like trying to reason, or tame, a rabid dog.

For the public record,

First, myself and Neu never accused Heretics of putting Megan up to her betrayal. It was an oddly timed conicidence, and you can't blame some people for looking at the actions of the Heretics followed by Megan's betrayal as a curious turn of events. I never thought Heretic's would do such a thing, and I still don't believe it was Heretics doing. However you can tell how gullable I have been in the past...infact I'll give you more examples of how I've been fooled.

Second, 17th never broke its NAP with TFS. Yendaj had informed me several days beforehand of TFS incursion into the region. She had told me that it would "help the Minmatar" and that a mutual blue standing was in our best interests. 17th was the only organization aside from Heretic Militia to have been granted these standings. I took it as a favor from Yendaj, and I thought nothing else of it. An un-wise mistake on my part.

Within 24 hours of the signing of the treaty, there was already reason to retract. A mixed 17th/TLF/Heretic fleet was engaged by a roaming TFS fleet. We didn't go back on our word, and stood by with our hands tied behind our backs as TFS destroyed the TLF division of the fleet. Noone in 17th fired upon TFS in this instance; it was actually a Heretic pilot who said, "to hell with politics" and saw the wrong in what was going on. Your own Heretic fired upon TFS, starting the first wave of "drama". It was realized that this treaty was not a benefit to 17th when it would allow TFS to destroy the manpower that the militia relies so heavily upon. It's not just Heretics, 17th, or any individual who is responsible for the gains of TLF; everyone has their part. MirrorGod is a great FC and has taught us much, however he cannot take all the credit. He is but one man. Yet this is not pertinant to what I'm trying to get across here, so I digress.

When 17th realized that the NAP was of no benefit to the militia, we retracted the treaty. Heretic Nation (Yendaj) took this as their opportunity to hereby declare a reset of standings and their NBSI intentions in our backyard. They demonstrated said NBSI policy by attacking TLF assets. In one of the later events, MirrorGod even tried to fleet warp a militia dread into a TFS pirate camp. It was quite obvious that no Heretic was on our side any longer. It was time for us to defend our REAL allies.

Third, 17th didn't set Heretic's red, Heretic's have been "Orange" since the declaration made by Yendaj. Orange standing marks you as hostile to us, but our RoE states that pilots are not to engage unless in defense of themselves or allies. One 17th pilot didn't understand this new change in our RoE and made a mistake. Neu tried reasoning with Yendaj, but that has never worked. She said "it was out of her hands." Diplomacy was impossible.

Those who fail to see the deception that drips from Heretic's venomous fangs have their own issues to deal with. I will not argue with individuals or groups who twist and contort events to match their liking and support them the best. Yes, militia pilots have fired upon the pirates of Heretic Militia and Nation, however you cannot blame the whole entirity of the militia and the Minmatar for these actions. But you do anyways, so I cannot stop you.

Well, that's all I feel that needs to be said.

I would like to extend my thanks to all those who have helped 17th. I will see to it that your faith in us is not lost.

Anneka Tong
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
Posted - 2008.10.15 00:22:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Nano J
amarr suck


I am understanding that this truth is only in context of the bedroom.

Also, that very good at it, they are.

Yendaj
Minmatar
Silentread Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.15 03:02:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Eran Mintor
Well, I've been trying to reason with Yendaj for this past weekend, however her own opinions are so deeply lodged in her brain that it's a waste of time. Quite simply, they're pirates, and while they say they were here for the Matari freedom fighters, their true motive was the murder of Amarr. They did a lot of work offensively for the TLF, but trying to get them to see the good in our own work was impossible; it was like trying to reason, or tame, a rabid dog.

First, myself and Neu never accused Heretics of putting Megan up to her betrayal. It was an oddly timed conicidence, and you can't blame some people for looking at the actions of the Heretics followed by Megan's betrayal as a curious turn of events. I never thought Heretic's would do such a thing, and I still don't believe it was Heretics doing. However you can tell how gullable I have been in the past...infact I'll give you more examples of how I've been fooled.

Second, 17th never broke its NAP with TFS. Yendaj had informed me several days beforehand of TFS incursion into the region. She had told me that it would "help the Minmatar" and that a mutual blue standing was in our best interests. 17th was the only organization aside from Heretic Militia to have been granted these standings. I took it as a favor from Yendaj, and I thought nothing else of it. An un-wise mistake on my part.

Within 24 hours of the signing of the treaty, there was already reason to retract. A mixed 17th/TLF/Heretic fleet was engaged by a roaming TFS fleet. We didn't go back on our word, and stood by with our hands tied behind our backs as TFS destroyed the TLF division of the fleet. Noone in 17th fired upon TFS in this instance; it was actually a Heretic pilot who said, "to hell with politics" and saw the wrong in what was going on. Your own Heretic fired upon TFS, starting the first wave of "drama". It was realized that this treaty was not a benefit to 17th when it would allow TFS to destroy the manpower that the militia relies so heavily upon. It's not just Heretics, 17th, or any individual who is responsible for the gains of TLF; everyone has their part. MirrorGod is a great FC and has taught us much, however he cannot take all the credit. He is but one man. Yet this is not pertinant to what I'm trying to get across here, so I digress.

When 17th realized that the NAP was of no benefit to the militia, we retracted the treaty. Heretic Nation (Yendaj) took this as their opportunity to hereby declare a reset of standings and their NBSI intentions in our backyard. They demonstrated said NBSI policy by attacking TLF assets. In one of the later events, MirrorGod even tried to fleet warp a militia dread into a TFS pirate camp. It was quite obvious that no Heretic was on our side any longer. It was time for us to defend our REAL allies.

Third, 17th didn't set Heretic's red, Heretic's have been "Orange" since the declaration made by Yendaj. Orange standing marks you as hostile to us, but our RoE states that pilots are not to engage unless in defense of themselves or allies. One 17th pilot didn't understand this new change in our RoE and made a mistake. Neu tried reasoning with Yendaj, but that has never worked. She said "it was out of her hands." Diplomacy was impossible.

Those who fail to see the deception that drips from Heretic's venomous fangs have their own issues to deal with. I will not argue with individuals or groups who twist and contort events to match their liking and support them the best. Yes, militia pilots have fired upon the pirates of Heretic Militia and Nation.[/quote



Yes, because this type of attitude and accusations of deception and betrayal hasnt been fully propagated by you since the first Minmatar shot at TFS? Your rant and rave in tlf intel channel is what started the downward spiral in the first place, then your pilot shot me down for an opportunity kill and you made heretics your enemy...If you cant cope with the truth Eran...

Yendaj
Minmatar
Silentread Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.15 03:09:00 - [79]
 

Get out of the war zone and take a break...

Everything you have just said about Heretics is quite ridiculous to say the very least..

But it was always people like you and Maarg Blood carrying on in this manner that turned Heretics into the enemy...

You have some over inflated opinion of yourselves and very little respect or gratitude for what Heretics did for faction war from the offset..

Read a few other posts, come to grips with the reason why we have done what we have done... All of this is just waffle really...

So many others comprehend the situation with Heretics right now, you are just taking it all so personally that you cant come to grips with it...

You need to chill out, relax a little, think about the big picture.... Faction war is broken......We could have stayed for another two months and lost most of our pilots, or we could have done what we have done...

Actually get off our arses to try and make a difference and solve the faction war issue....

You all know what pirates are about, you all just got so damn comfortable being able to fly haulers into low sec with absolutely no danger...

Boo blo ody hooo...

Low sec was never for empire carebears in the first place....Thats why concord stays out of it, less secure << means LESS SECURE!!!!

Now, if the powers that be dont bother to fix faction war, then you have your overall answer about the entire purpose of it, completely futile, waste of time, why bother..

I do hope when you get a chance to calm down you might ponder this a little, and maybe rearrange your opinion on the people who spent all their time and isk making fw fun for the first 2 months or so...

I harbour no grudges against any of the pilots we flew with, but really, the attitudes so far.... I have more respect for the Amarr we flew against

See you in space


Val Sharen
Caldari
Freewind Ventures
Posted - 2008.10.15 04:30:00 - [80]
 

**chuckles on the comm channel**
Ahh my dear sister not many can comprehend beyond the immediate situation. You still get me to laugh trying to make some comprehend though and I often wonder why do you fluster yourself over it.

Be well my sister you and MG fly safe and smart as always. If you need such you know the secure channel.

*blows a kiss as the link fades**

Nano J
Posted - 2008.10.15 11:33:00 - [81]
 

yendaj, i was only logged for a short amount of time when the first bit of confusion fell. this is what my personal observation revealed...

a NAP was signed between the 17th and the heretics. some random militia members attacked you, seeing as you ARE pirates and were probably blinky. you then blamed the whole minmatar militia for a few noobish actions that weren't in any way connected to the 17th. i blame game mechanics on this problem. eran did his best to reconcile the issue and i saw several apologies on his part for people not even connected to him. the 17th does appreciate all your help in the past, but i was jumped by MG's fleet myself not even a day after the "friendly fire" incident. i don't know much about politics- i'm merely a tactical FC (at most) for the 17th. i have never given any order to engage any heretic pilot and openly warn any non-17th fleet members to run, should they show up. this is completely in accordance to the NAP, and yet it failed anyway. i believe that the issue is in game mechanics and the NAP itself. i suggest we resolve all blame to game mechanics and go our separate ways. if you'd like to continue to hunt in minmatar warzones, it's your right to; but i'd like to think that the heretics are honorable people and would accept a personal NAP with any fleet i command. i'm willing to contact you guys if i ever FC to avoid the confusion that ruined our NAP.

as for megan, you can't blame us for being questionable about heretics involvement at first, but now we know where megan's loyalties lie. i can't say much for the whole militia, but i apologize for any insult you may have taken from the accusation.

Yendaj
Minmatar
Silentread Logistics
Posted - 2008.10.15 12:00:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Nano J


as for megan, you can't blame us for being questionable about heretics involvement at first, but now we know where megan's loyalties lie. i can't say much for the whole militia, but i apologize for any insult you may have taken from the accusation.


Thank you, thats the first apology for the detailed posting on another communications stating very clearly that the 17th believed Heretics ochestrated the entire thing with Megan Maynard..

There have been admissions from one person high up in the 17th that this indeed happened and they believed it, then we have the CEO denying this ever happened.... The the person who wrote it sending me personal communications saying he did indeed say it and still believes it to be so...

You may be the only person in the 17th so far that doesnt want to further the anomosity between Heretics and the Minmatar Militia...

Any chance of settling any missunderstandings or heated situations was obliterated by certain members of the 17th a good give minutes after the first time their pilot shot me down......As Eran himself ranted and raved at me and went straight to Galnet and communicated his contempt for Heretics.... He hasnt managed to stop since and continues to berate and push us into the position we are in now...

You dont keep teasing a dog to the point of being vicious and then expect to walk up and pat it on the head afterwards..... You will be lucky to walk away with your hand...

A man with any common sense at all would have stopped pushing quite some time ago.... You are all turning yourselves into targets and still fluffing up with indignation when you get shot at..

Again, thank you Nano J...... This communication from you has been duly noted....



Maarrg Blood
Minmatar
Minmatar Special Ops. Group
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:43:00 - [83]
 

Quality. Once again Yen you show that you have no clue what you are talking about. Always good for a laugh.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.10.15 19:27:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 15/10/2008 19:32:56
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Megan Maynard
FYI, if you are a competent pilot, and see the name Telemicus Thrace in fleet, leave it post haste, he's a dip ****. (Something I don't have to bite my tongue about anymore.)

Megan do you really think ANYONE will still trust YOUR advice now? Rolling Eyes


Very Happy

Thanks for the laughs, I really needed it today.

Yendaj, advice from a diplomat who still believes you meant it when you called her friend: take a deep breath, step back, and calm down. I believe you are peeved, but you are overreacting, making a fool out of yourself, and casting a bad light on the Heretics.

Else

Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.10.15 23:39:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Yendaj
then we have the CEO denying this ever happened....


I denied what exactly, Yendaj?

CCP Mitnal


C C P
Posted - 2008.10.15 23:58:00 - [86]
 

Cleaned.

Please remember all posts in this communication channel are meant to be in character.

This has not been the case and any subsequent violations will see sanctions levied against them.

Salinas Montif
Caldari
Out of Order
Posted - 2008.10.16 00:02:00 - [87]
 

Personally I give Meg 10 points for style. It is one thing to rob a corp wallet or take from a hanger. That is droll. But to **** the corp wallet, clean out everything, steal a controling block of shares to vote herself as CEO, then set the corp tax rate to 100%......now THAT is priceless. No half measures or guilt trips. no long postings about how she justifies her actions cause of blah blah blah... Just clean 'em out and leave an ambiguous response that keeps people guessing for 3 pages of a thread.ugh

Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.10.16 01:19:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Salinas Montif
Personally I give Meg 10 points for style... Just clean 'em out and leave an ambiguous response that keeps people guessing for 3 pages of a thread.ugh


Stylish? I'd say opportunist. And no one is guessing anything, we know how she did it and its has been amended. Why, justified or not, is irrelevant. And the 3 pages? well, most don't even have anything to do with Megan, other diplomatic issues have leaked into this thread, and regrettably so. I'm not even bothering on getting the corp out of our way to get revenge, our focus is where it should be, the war. Thanks to friends and allies, the new corp is back on its feet, the reimbursement fund is strong, hell, she even left a Large Republic Fleet Smartbomb laying around. You like the girl? keep her. We don't need traitors in our ranks, and if you noticed even some of our enemies have taken a dislike for her, and all for what? a bil, bill and a half? heh, enjoy it, it'll be gone soon.


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