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Take Enemy
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:00:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Take Enemy on 10/10/2008 17:00:56
I am struggling here. Was pretty psyched to get into my Phobos and Devoter for low sec small roaming gangs (and yes, some gate camping). However, I am not seeing the light. I was going to do a long post comparing Devoter/Phobos to their HAC counterparts in relation to usefulness to a small/mid lowsec gang (either camping or roaming) but well frankly I didn't get much sleep last night.

Basically does anyone else who flies them in lowsec have the same issues/thoughts? The ONLY things they do is provide:

1) slightly farther point on gate decloak
2) Yes, it is an infini point...
3) With some setups can nicely tank a hot drop cyno at target location

Excepting number 3's unique circumstances, I would rather sacrifice (1) and (2) for a far more usful HAC to assist the gang...

--Enemy


Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:06:00 - [2]
 

The infinipoint is the entire point of a HIC. Nothing's getting away.. not a transport ship, a 5x WCS Raven, or anything else.

Get your gang to remote sensor boost you and then just sit there and tackle/shoot. Think of it like a really tough interceptor.

-Liang

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:07:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:27:23
you know that old meme "Yur doin it rong"? yeah...

HICs do 3 things well

1. Tank. These things, especially the Broadsword/Onyx, can tank a small army.

2. Drop Mobile bubbles in 0.0. Too much tank not enough gank to be primaried but still great support while whoring all killmails within 20km.

3. Capture stabbed up ships in lowsec with infinate points of scram.

Expecting it to be a good for anything but catching ships while tanking is pretty much futile. They aren't supposed to do much damage and they aren't supposed to be effective against ships that fight back. HICs are excellent ships for catching stuff but you're just not using them right.

Quote:
Yes, it is an infini point...

Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.

Take Enemy
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:32:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
The infinipoint is the entire point of a HIC. Nothing's getting away.. not a transport ship, a 5x WCS Raven, or anything else.

Get your gang to remote sensor boost you and then just sit there and tackle/shoot. Think of it like a really tough interceptor.

-Liang


Alright, I shouldn't shrug off the infinipoint so much Cool. Remote sensor booster is key, yeah, we got that going on. I dunno, I have a duel rep one, and an 800 plate one and flew the 800 plate one around in a roam last night and well the speed/align time was worrying to me (maybe just too used to my Sac/Zealot). Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.

Will give the duel rep setup a run tonight. A little faster and more agile.

--Enemy



Lady Aja
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:42:00 - [5]
 

I know a corp that uses only HIC's in low sec to hunt... and thats a nasty sight when you see 10 hics in low sec lol.

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:49:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:52:49
Originally by: Lady Aja
I know a corp that uses only HIC's in low sec to hunt... and thats a nasty sight when you see 10 hics in low sec lol.

WTF? Sounds like suck to me. You already have infinate poitns of scram with HIC #1. Anything else is a waste of DPS when you can grab something much better.

Same thing as why you'll never see an effective drake gang going around. Sure the tanks are great but you have no damage. Alone a good tank might be nice, in a group it will be overwelmed completely and useless without damage dealing support. At least 1 HIC offers the benifit of the infinipoint but what's infinity * 10? Still infinity.

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:52:00 - [7]
 

You need to remote sensor boost up to a point where you have 'ceptor-like lock times, that + infinipoint = dead stuffz in empire

Spanner Frew
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:12:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: DubanFP

Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.


People watch **** for something other than the acting?Shocked

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Spanner Frew
Originally by: DubanFP

Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.


People watch **** for something other than the acting?Shocked


The money shot of course!Surprised

bldyannoyed
Estrale Frontiers
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:25:00 - [10]
 

Get a Broadsword or an Onyx.

Theyre just better.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.10.10 18:28:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: bldyannoyed
Get a Broadsword or an Onyx.

Theyre just better.


I totally read that as "Omen" until I clicked reply. I was like.... ERRM!?

At any rate, yeah, I think I'll like the broadsword.... I've got the Skillz for one, but not the cash for it. :-/

-Liang

Trind2222
Amarr
The Red Ring
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: bldyannoyed
Get a Broadsword or an Onyx.

Theyre just better.


Devoter can tackle 2 at time in low sec, is true the onyx and broadsword can tank more but
whit the right setup on a devoter you can perma rep.
I love the devoter.





Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:52:49
Originally by: Lady Aja
I know a corp that uses only HIC's in low sec to hunt... and thats a nasty sight when you see 10 hics in low sec lol.

WTF? Sounds like suck to me. You already have infinate poitns of scram with HIC #1. Anything else is a waste of DPS when you can grab something much better.

Same thing as why you'll never see an effective drake gang going around. Sure the tanks are great but you have no damage. Alone a good tank might be nice, in a group it will be overwelmed completely and useless without damage dealing support. At least 1 HIC offers the benifit of the infinipoint but what's infinity * 10? Still infinity.

Yes because a gang of 10x ships with 100k ehp and 500+ dps each would be bad Shocked

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:12:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:20:25
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Yes because a gang of 10x ships with 100k ehp and 500+ dps each would be bad Shocked

Ok maybe I was a bit over the top on that thread. Still would think a couple battleships and Command ships mixed in would get much better results from a pure DPS and tank side? It's not like you need more then 1 or 2 HICs to lock down what you need to lock down.

Also 500 DPS AND 100k EHP doesn't seem too realistic. Probebly more like one or the other. A relatively unimpressive 300DPS with 100k EHP is best I can get, and that's with damage implants and no webifiers. Lots of tank true, but the DPS just isn't there.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:21:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Terianna Eri on 10/10/2008 19:21:59
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:13:11
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Yes because a gang of 10x ships with 100k ehp and 500+ dps each would be bad Shocked

Ok maybe I was a bit over the top pn that thread. Still would think a couple battleships and Command ships mixed in would get much better results from a pure DPS and tank side. Also 500 DPS seems a bit high for the ships that can get 100k EHP. Probebly more like one or the other.

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Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants.
they don't all need both a point and a web Cool

But yes, a balanced gang would be better of course, but a group of 10x 100k ehp HAM drakes would be pretty nasty. For lols, throw in a small shield transporter (very hard to fit) and shield rep drones (easy to fit) >_> - each small shield rep drone lets it tank 12dps (or 15 with overloaded Invuln, which you'll have if you're getting primaried), so... well, there's a 750 dps tank on top of the 100k ehp, which is looking pretty good Shocked
Edit: 675 dps; the one getting shot doesn't get to put drones on itself Rolling Eyes

Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Take Enemy

Phobos and Devoter ... small roaming gangs


Originally by: Take Enemy

Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.



That's part of your problem right there. A typical HIC tank involves plates and trimarks, both of which make you rather heavy in the caboose. They're great for stationary fights and can soak up tons of damage, but the Onyx and Broadsword tend to be more nimble and therefore better suited for roaming. Dual repper fits can work, but when combined with the cap usage of the WDFG and your guns, you'll be begging for more cap.

Also make sure that your gang includes a few fast webbers to keep targets from re-approaching the gate. A small gang of 1 HIC, 1 Rapier, and 2-3 DPS ships will make anyone trying to run a gate cry.

Although HICs are certainly useful in LoSec for their ability to scram anything they can lock, they really shine in 0.0. Having a bubble that you can turn on and off on command and having it attached to a ship with such a heavy tank makes them worth their weight in gold.

tl;dr version: HICs are very useful but will never replace, or be replaced by, HACs.

Take Enemy
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:35:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Take Enemy on 10/10/2008 19:59:02
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Take Enemy

Phobos and Devoter ... small roaming gangs


Originally by: Take Enemy

Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.



That's part of your problem right there. A typical HIC tank involves plates and trimarks, both of which make you rather heavy in the caboose. They're great for stationary fights and can soak up tons of damage, but the Onyx and Broadsword tend to be more nimble and therefore better suited for roaming. Dual repper fits can work, but when combined with the cap usage of the WDFG and your guns, you'll be begging for more cap.

Also make sure that your gang includes a few fast webbers to keep targets from re-approaching the gate. A small gang of 1 HIC, 1 Rapier, and 2-3 DPS ships will make anyone trying to run a gate cry.

Although HICs are certainly useful in LoSec for their ability to scram anything they can lock, they really shine in 0.0. Having a bubble that you can turn on and off on command and having it attached to a ship with such a heavy tank makes them worth their weight in gold.

tl;dr version: HICs are very useful but will never replace, or be replaced by, HACs.


Yeah, that engagement was a shall we say fluid mobile one. Was second on scene and had the point, 'ceptors where inbound. Good Rapier pilot too, but I bet he needed a knew pair of shorts after that one. :)

Oh and to add, for 0.0, I can get the 129K+ ehp ship, but for lowsec I am now going with the duel rep:

[Devoter, Devoter - 0.0]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Salvager I (I am a salvaging *****)
Improved Cloaking Device II

Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I


[Devoter, Devoter - Low Sec]
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption

Nanobot Accelerator I
Nanobot Accelerator I


Strictly T2, no faction as that is how I roll (ie, I am always broke and rigs are expensive enough thank you).

0.0 one tanks 129K ehp, lowsec one reps 737 a round (786 with rep 5 in training).

If I had cash, I would probably whip up Skunk's version, but in the interim a little dps is ok...

--Enemy

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.10 19:38:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:44:51
Originally by: Terianna Eri
103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants.
they don't all need both a point and a web Cool

I'm only seeing 460 DPS. I think you added 100 DPS somewhere. Anyways Compare that to 10x Hurricanes doing 800 DPS each with 40k EHP. That's over 8000 combined DPS. At the same time they will be cheaper because they won't have to spend 45 million isk, each, on shield rigs to do that.

Or if you want to send it against something comparable in cost look at something like a Raven. It can deal 1100 DPS with a 70k EHP at similer cost because it won't need to fit some overly expensive shield rigs to do it. "if you want to go with remote reppers left over the Raven can fit a lot more then the drake".

Ten of anything can sound very formidable, especially if you use level V skills. However you can easily find some much better alternatives at equal or lesser cost. Then just add in 1-2 HICs so you have the infinipoint down.

P.S. your fit has a large EM hole.

Take Enemy
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.10 20:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 19:44:51
Originally by: Terianna Eri
103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants.
they don't all need both a point and a web Cool

I'm only seeing 460 DPS. I think you added 100 DPS somewhere. Anyways Compare that to 10x Hurricanes doing 800 DPS each with 40k EHP. That's over 8000 combined DPS. At the same time they will be cheaper because they won't have to spend 45 million isk, each, on shield rigs to do that.

Or if you want to send it against something comparable in cost look at something like a Raven. It can deal 1100 DPS with a 70k EHP at similer cost because it won't need to fit some overly expensive shield rigs to do it. "if you want to go with remote reppers left over the Raven can fit a lot more then the drake".

Ten of anything can sound very formidable, especially if you use level V skills. However you can easily find some much better alternatives at equal or lesser cost. Then just add in 1-2 HICs so you have the infinipoint down.

P.S. your fit has a large EM hole.


Nice sidetrack. Next we should compare SB's to Ravens. Cool




I kid...


Skallebank
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.10.10 21:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 10/10/2008 17:27:23
you know that old meme "Yur doin it rong"? yeah...

HICs do 3 things well

1. Tank. These things, especially the Broadsword/Onyx, can tank a small army.

2. Drop Mobile bubbles in 0.0. Too much tank not enough gank to be primaried but still great support while whoring all killmails
within 20km.

3. Capture stabbed up ships in lowsec with infinate points of scram.

Expecting it to be a good for anything but catching ships while tanking is pretty much futile. They aren't supposed to do much damage and they aren't supposed to be effective against ships that fight back. HICs are excellent ships for catching stuff but you're just not using them right.

Quote:
Yes, it is an infini point...

Shrugging that off is like watching **** for the acting.



excactly, I had one hundred kills plus in one week solo in a broadsword . before my corp made me stop killing poor defencless isk farmers (bastards)

Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.10.10 21:53:00 - [21]
 

devoter - mids with sensor boosters, lows with a tank - the best low sec HIC.

Broadsword is the best 0.0 hic.

take your pick.

Trind2222
Amarr
The Red Ring
Posted - 2008.10.10 21:59:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Take Enemy
Edited by: Take Enemy on 10/10/2008 19:59:02
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Take Enemy

Phobos and Devoter ... small roaming gangs


Originally by: Take Enemy

Also - snagged a Rapier at a gate (boy was he surprised), but couldn't keep up with him long enough for support to web him down... Feel I could have had him with the Sac.



That's part of your problem right there. A typical HIC tank involves plates and trimarks, both of which make you rather heavy in the caboose. They're great for stationary fights and can soak up tons of damage, but the Onyx and Broadsword tend to be more nimble and therefore better suited for roaming. Dual repper fits can work, but when combined with the cap usage of the WDFG and your guns, you'll be begging for more cap.

Also make sure that your gang includes a few fast webbers to keep targets from re-approaching the gate. A small gang of 1 HIC, 1 Rapier, and 2-3 DPS ships will make anyone trying to run a gate cry.

Although HICs are certainly useful in LoSec for their ability to scram anything they can lock, they really shine in 0.0. Having a bubble that you can turn on and off on command and having it attached to a ship with such a heavy tank makes them worth their weight in gold.

tl;dr version: HICs are very useful but will never replace, or be replaced by, HACs.


Yeah, that engagement was a shall we say fluid mobile one. Was second on scene and had the point, 'ceptors where inbound. Good Rapier pilot too, but I bet he needed a knew pair of shorts after that one. :)

Oh and to add, for 0.0, I can get the 129K+ ehp ship, but for lowsec I am now going with the duel rep:

[Devoter, Devoter - 0.0]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Salvager I (I am a salvaging *****)
Improved Cloaking Device II

Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I


[Devoter, Devoter - Low Sec]
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption

Nanobot Accelerator I
Nanobot Accelerator I


Strictly T2, no faction as that is how I roll (ie, I am always broke and rigs are expensive enough thank you).

0.0 one tanks 129K ehp, lowsec one reps 737 a round (786 with rep 5 in training).

If I had cash, I would probably whip up Skunk's version, but in the interim a little dps is ok...

--Enemy


No wonder you get caped out Surprised

Mwd is good if you plan to speed tank no point to have mwd if you don't.

Remember staking penalty.

You can use cpr no need for web put 2 sencor booster to lock fast in low sec.

I like the 0.0 one but lacks dps but good thank.

Lady Aja
Posted - 2008.10.10 22:42:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky
devoter - mids with sensor boosters, lows with a tank - the best low sec HIC.

Broadsword is the best 0.0 hic.

take your pick.


actually the best is what you feel works best for the pilot and his or her needs...

witha devoter I can happily ruin most pilots day, in conjunction with two medium bubbles in a bottle neck system. you wil be surprised how bad its ruined lol.

Foulque
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.10.10 23:15:00 - [24]
 

Always great to have a HIC in a low sec gang, sensor boosted they are the perfect tackler. Not meant to be a DPS machine =]

Take Enemy
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2008.10.11 00:18:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Take Enemy


[Devoter, Devoter - 0.0]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Salvager I (I am a salvaging *****)
Improved Cloaking Device II

Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I


[Devoter, Devoter - Low Sec]
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Warp Disruption Field Generator I, Focused Warp Disruption

Nanobot Accelerator I
Nanobot Accelerator I


Strictly T2, no faction as that is how I roll (ie, I am always broke and rigs are expensive enough thank you).

0.0 one tanks 129K ehp, lowsec one reps 737 a round (786 with rep 5 in training).

If I had cash, I would probably whip up Skunk's version, but in the interim a little dps is ok...

--Enemy


No wonder you get caped out Surprised

Mwd is good if you plan to speed tank no point to have mwd if you don't.

Remember staking penalty.

You can use cpr no need for web put 2 sencor booster to lock fast in low sec.

I like the 0.0 one but lacks dps but good thank.



Always need an MWD (accept maybe static gate camping - that I would have a sensor booster or two), but I don't perma run mwd. The 800's keep the cap rolling in any event and I can perma run WDG and armor rep with out injecting.

Typically there is remote sensor boosting, so I prefer a web. Find a lot of target don't agress or deagress and burn back to the gate. Web is essential.

Obviously, ymmv. :)

--Enemy

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.10.11 00:25:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
[
At any rate, yeah, I think I'll like the broadsword.... I've got the Skillz for one, but not the cash for it. :-/

-Liang


Heheh... I have a fully fit & rigged one in hangar, just don't have the skills for it Very Happy

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.10.11 00:27:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Heheh... I have a fully fit & rigged one in hangar, just don't have the skills for it Very Happy


I should join your corp and "borrow" it. YARRRR!!

-Liang

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.10.11 00:35:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Heheh... I have a fully fit & rigged one in hangar, just don't have the skills for it Very Happy


I should join your corp and "borrow" it. YARRRR!!

-Liang


Personal hangar Very Happy

But we can always put up with another EFT warrior Very Happy

Stuart Price
Caldari
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2008.10.11 01:11:00 - [29]
 

My boss's Phobos has the fastest lock I've ever seen outside the faster locking 'ceptors. I reckon he has a dev command for it or something. Sure comes in handy.

Kazang
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2008.10.11 10:38:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Kazang on 11/10/2008 10:40:19
Originally by: Terianna Eri

Quote:
[Drake, New Setup 2]
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5

103k ehp, 560 dps with max skills, more with implants.
they don't all need both a point and a web Cool

But yes, a balanced gang would be better of course, but a group of 10x 100k ehp HAM drakes would be pretty nasty. For lols, throw in a small shield transporter (very hard to fit) and shield rep drones (easy to fit) >_> - each small shield rep drone lets it tank 12dps (or 15 with overloaded Invuln, which you'll have if you're getting primaried), so... well, there's a 750 dps tank on top of the 100k ehp, which is looking pretty good Shocked
Edit: 675 dps; the one getting shot doesn't get to put drones on itself Rolling Eyes


Why the hell are you posting drake fits? 10 of anything would be pretty nasty, 10 of a balanced mix of ecm, dps, tackle and tank would be even nastier.


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