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Another Liberthas
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.10.09 18:57:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Ashraaf
Edited by: Ashraaf on 09/10/2008 17:39:50
To be confirmed but it seems that G Brown annonces that the Uk goverment freeze the Icelandic asset

Navigator annonce when you came in paris, i'm sure lot of people will show you where beer is good and affordable, you fall on the tourist trap



For some bizarre reason, the assets have been frozen under anti-terror laws.
Our Government doesn't seem to be very happy with Iceland right now :S

Artharas
Posted - 2008.10.09 19:32:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Another Liberthas
Originally by: Ashraaf
Edited by: Ashraaf on 09/10/2008 17:39:50
To be confirmed but it seems that G Brown annonces that the Uk goverment freeze the Icelandic asset

Navigator annonce when you came in paris, i'm sure lot of people will show you where beer is good and affordable, you fall on the tourist trap



For some bizarre reason, the assets have been frozen under anti-terror laws.
Our Government doesn't seem to be very happy with Iceland right now :S

And due to this, Iceland will probably loose the same amount the UK is moaning about since they just killed our biggest bank. GG..

Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
Posted - 2008.10.09 19:34:00 - [63]
 

Finland had to Freeze assets in certain Iceland owned companies here. Since the mother copanies were transfering Finnish customers money to Iceland's direction.

The nasty part beeing Iam a customer in one of them (a stock trading company called EQ-online).

In the past When Icelands Straumur Bank bought the Eq-online I felt as a loss of Finnish trading service innovation. Now Finnish guys may buy it back.

I'm not very happy about his whole ordeal . Coss I fear for few of my euros.Confused

But I bet it's not easy for the average Icelandic guy/girl either.Sad
I hope it get's better there.


Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2008.10.09 19:46:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Another Liberthas
For some bizarre reason, the assets have been frozen under anti-terror laws.

Quickest to do it that way. I know corporate lawyers...jeez. Those guys don't even rush to get into work.

Artharas
Posted - 2008.10.09 19:48:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Another Liberthas
For some bizarre reason, the assets have been frozen under anti-terror laws.

Quickest to do it that way. I know corporate lawyers...jeez. Those guys don't even rush to get into work.

And the best way to enrage 300.000 people and make your own countrymen wonder "WTF?". Geir H. Haarde had to get a bodyguard due to all this mess, I hope Gordon Brown isn't thinking of taking a trip to Iceland in the nearby future.

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2008.10.09 20:07:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Artharas
And the best way to enrage 300.000 people and make your own countrymen wonder "WTF?". Geir H. Haarde had to get a bodyguard due to all this mess, I hope Gordon Brown isn't thinking of taking a trip to Iceland in the nearby future.

UK local governments lost £1bn of collected taxes, for which the national government will have to compensate them with an advance from future taxes (with equity stakes being taken in banks shortly, the FSCS is just another government conduit). The British taxpayer will be billed for the same billion twice over this. Probably with interest, because the only way to fund this could be Treasury bond issues. I expect seizing the collateral to play well here. Possibly very well. I am not condoning anyone's actions, in fact I have been condemning everyone for the last two years I have been expecting a meltdown, but the government of each country has its own election to win.

pardux
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.10.09 23:06:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Artharas
...


HÆ ARTHARAS ^_^

Artharas
Posted - 2008.10.10 00:39:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: pardux
Originally by: Artharas
...


HÆ ARTHARAS ^_^

Sæll :)

And well the government of Iceland has pretty much guaranteed it's removal in next election. My point though was that Brown and Darling basically slaughtered what was left of the Icelandic bank system(and the investments that they'd have gotten paid with) due to Brown's and Darlings quick judgment and lack of decency. Then using terrorist laws on Iceland adds quite a bit of salt to our wounds.
This from what I read it was mostly done to make Brown look like the UK savior and boost his support on the cost of... quite a lot of innocent people, that were struggling already. Politics can become so pathetic.

Croesus
Caldari
Titan Indurstrial
Posted - 2008.10.10 02:20:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Artharas
Originally by: pardux
Originally by: Artharas
...


HÆ ARTHARAS ^_^

Sæll :)

And well the government of Iceland has pretty much guaranteed it's removal in next election. My point though was that Brown and Darling basically slaughtered what was left of the Icelandic bank system(and the investments that they'd have gotten paid with) due to Brown's and Darlings quick judgment and lack of decency. Then using terrorist laws on Iceland adds quite a bit of salt to our wounds.
This from what I read it was mostly done to make Brown look like the UK savior and boost his support on the cost of... quite a lot of innocent people, that were struggling already. Politics can become so pathetic.


this.

brown and darling can rot in hell. and so can the British nation for voting these morons into office.

terrorists, laff.

Annaliese Witschak
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.10.10 02:49:00 - [70]
 

Is there any risk that the UK government will seize the eve servers in London?Confused

Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2008.10.10 03:00:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Annaliese Witschak
Is there any risk that the UK government will seize the eve servers in London?Confused
Nah, they're not a government/banking asset.

Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
Posted - 2008.10.10 03:01:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Croesus

brown and darling can rot in hell. and so can the British nation for voting these morons into office.

terrorists, laff.


The alternatives are the Torries. Its a rock and a hard place situation.

I 'get' why brown did what he did, his obligation is to the British people, not the Icelandic people. But the reality is, Britain has an utterly massive economy and Iceland is a wee little country with a population the size of a small city. And its right arse-close to Britain so one ought expect a bit of solidarity for Iceland.

What Britian *could* of done is said "Right Iceland. You guys ****ed your banks up badly, and we are going to need to bail you guys out.", and bailed them out with a whole bunch of conditions to protect British customers of the Icelandic banks.

**** at the end, Britian could of basically *owned* Icelands economy , whilst propping it up, and keeping everyone in jobs and ****.

There where a lot of ways ,some more and, some less palatable, but all better than applying ****ing terrorist laws on your faithful next door neighbor just because a few million dollars went up in smoke.


Thatcher probably would of ordered the Navy to bombard the place and all the children rounded up for vampire milking. So don't think the torries are any better.

Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
Posted - 2008.10.10 03:04:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Annaliese Witschak
Is there any risk that the UK government will seize the eve servers in London?Confused


I'd be surprised if CCP even owned the blades in the datacentre. I suspect theres a lot of bluffing and agro going on from Browns quarters right now. I doubt he has the legal authority to do what he's threatened to do , and I susect its more to try and pressure Iceland to go and get bailed up by the IMF or Russia or whatever the deal is.

Srvin Taisorgky
Posted - 2008.10.10 06:14:00 - [74]
 


R3dSh1ft
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.10.10 08:13:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Croesus

brown and darling can rot in hell. and so can the British nation for voting these morons into office


Actually, Gordon Brown was never voted into office; Tony Blair retired and Gordon Brown acceded to the Prime Ministership.

Sydonis
Posted - 2008.10.10 09:10:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: R3dSh1ft
Originally by: Croesus

brown and darling can rot in hell. and so can the British nation for voting these morons into office


Actually, Gordon Brown was never voted into office; Tony Blair retired and Gordon Brown acceded to the Prime Ministership.


Sad, but true, so please don't blame us for Brown's bully behaviour. He did the same to Blair to get into power. And yeah, we feel the same about him, so another reason not to blame us.

Perhaps we should all have a whip around to buy Brown a 1-way ticket to Iceland?

Right now, it's still a load of "he said, she said" at the moment... and, over here, our banks are struggling too (or starting to). Who caused the Icelandic banks to struggle initially is still up for debate, but if it WAS UK-based, you can bet it was the rich minority who caused it and not the majority of the UK who are currently struggling to pay for the mortgage, assuming they're lucky enough to be able to renew it right now.

And yeah... while I can understand Brown freezing Icelandic assets (the UK can't really afford another country turning around and saying "sorry, but you can't access any of your local government money we have of yours", let alone 1 bn of it), the use of anti-terrorism laws to do it was both an insult to Iceland, but also to the British people. It's less likely now that any anti-terrorism laws will remain on the statutes or be voted in after this because nobody will trust the government with them now. God only knows at this point what damage it's done to EU relations too.

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2008.10.10 09:14:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Glarion Garnier
.. it's not easy for the average Icelandic guy/girl either.Sad


So.. it will be cheap to import girls from there? Excellent, I might be attentin FanFest after all *rubs his hands together*

CCP Eris Discordia

Posted - 2008.10.10 14:12:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Glarion Garnier
.. it's not easy for the average Icelandic guy/girl either.Sad


So.. it will be cheap to import girls from there? Excellent, I might be attentin FanFest after all *rubs his hands together*



Icelandic mailorder brides Wink

Who knows, if things get really tough..but it will certainly be cheaper for foreigners to buy a beer (or crate) for a local compared to last year.


New Hampshire
Caldari
Eve Independent Builders Network
Posted - 2008.10.10 14:34:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Glarion Garnier
.. it's not easy for the average Icelandic guy/girl either.Sad


So.. it will be cheap to import girls from there? Excellent, I might be attentin FanFest after all *rubs his hands together*



Icelandic mailorder brides Wink

Who knows, if things get really tough..but it will certainly be cheaper for foreigners to buy a beer (or crate) for a local compared to last year.




Real-life ISK is apparently no longer being traded outside of Iceland. If that's true, it literally means that the in-game ISK being traded for GTCs in these forums is worth more than real-life ISK which is (if what I've read is correct) no longer being traded. Hard to wrap my head around that. ugh

You can't peg this on one country or another . . . I'm American, and I know that in this country people have been talking about debt for, well, since I was a small child anyway. The first time I can remember "national debt" being discussed with concern was probably back in the early 80s. But I know it's been an issue in other countries as well, including Iceland. Trying to put blame one place or the other is pointless. Anyway, I really don't think that even the "experts" have a good understanding of what's going on right now, so how can you place blame on a phenomenon that isn't even very well understood? It's because of deregulation . . . no, it's because of too many regulations requiring loans to people with bad credit . . . and the blame game goes on in circles while real people are probably going to be left suffering (purchasers of mail order Icelandic brides notwithstanding).

Kanoubi
Amarr
the muppets
Muppets Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.10 14:35:00 - [80]
 

I like the icelander's spirit Very Happy

Quote :

"Most of the people knew at heart that it would end in disaster somehow," Mr. Kristjansson says. Says his son: "We had one hell of a party. Don't tell me we shouldn't have expected some sort of hangover."

source :The Wall Street Journal online




New Hampshire
Caldari
Eve Independent Builders Network
Posted - 2008.10.10 14:52:00 - [81]
 

Great Britain thinking about freezing the assets of Icelandic companies in England:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=agEOsO.7RNdw&refer=uk

Aren't CCP's servers in London or something like that?

Fresh Prince
For us all
Posted - 2008.10.10 15:14:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: CCP Flatboy
"If you break your neck, if you have nothing to eat, if your house is on fire, then you've got a problem. Everything else is inconvenience."

CCP will be just fine. As to Iceland, it's going to get worse before it gets better but we'll pull through. Icelandic optimism moves mountains.


As for the Icelandic player base (me incluede) we are in the position of having to pay 90% more now for our subscription/s then we had to do a few months ago. From what i have heard this will most likely lead to a massive closure of accounts, as most long time players have two or more at any given time.

I do realize that we are most likely a minority and as such our words wont account to much but i for one will find it a sad day when there will be no natives left.

New Hampshire
Caldari
Eve Independent Builders Network
Posted - 2008.10.10 15:23:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Fresh Prince
Originally by: CCP Flatboy
"If you break your neck, if you have nothing to eat, if your house is on fire, then you've got a problem. Everything else is inconvenience."

CCP will be just fine. As to Iceland, it's going to get worse before it gets better but we'll pull through. Icelandic optimism moves mountains.


As for the Icelandic player base (me incluede) we are in the position of having to pay 90% more now for our subscription/s then we had to do a few months ago. From what i have heard this will most likely lead to a massive closure of accounts, as most long time players have two or more at any given time.

I do realize that we are most likely a minority and as such our words wont account to much but i for one will find it a sad day when there will be no natives left.


I don't think you're seeing the big picture, I will be VERY happy, and you will be VERY lucky, if the only inconvenience you face is losing your Eve account(s). Let's all hope it's that easy.

Fresh Prince
For us all
Posted - 2008.10.10 15:39:00 - [84]
 

That is the discussion at hand, if you wish to discuss my housing loan, student loan or car loan then ill discuss that in depth with you in a private chat.

As that is not the discussion here, then I stick to my eve issues Wink

Jaala Creed
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.10.10 15:58:00 - [85]
 

I supported CCP this month thru this crisis. :)

I paid an actual monthly subscription in Euro's instead of a GTC in (cheap) dollars! Very Happy

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2008.10.10 16:05:00 - [86]
 

Hang on a minute. Brown and Darling???

Is it just me or is this beginning to sound like a Blackadder skit?

Gefex
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.10.10 16:29:00 - [87]
 

I think EVE ISK is worth more than Icelandic ISK right about now?

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=CURRENCY:ISK

Shocked

Ghoest
Posted - 2008.10.10 16:33:00 - [88]
 

Is there someway the people in Iceland could move into Tranquility?

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2008.10.10 16:48:00 - [89]
 

It would be surreal if they farmed EVE ISK, sold it for USD and EUR, then bought real ISK.

But no, it is not even close.

Fresh Prince
For us all
Posted - 2008.10.10 17:52:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Is there someway the people in Iceland could move into Tranquility?


This sir...is the best idea so far and if you find a way to implement this, i will be sure to put you up for some kind of a reward Cool


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