open All Channels
seplocked Intergalactic Summit
blankseplocked Hairstyles of young people today and other issues
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2008.09.26 19:21:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 27/09/2008 08:10:18
Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 26/09/2008 22:23:46
I fail as a mother. My daughter chooses to wear her hair in bunches, which I disapprove of.

Why do young people have such hair?

I like to wear mine down. Hides the capsule interface. Sometimes I have it up for formal occasions.

Avel Kereka
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.09.26 19:27:00 - [2]
 

If you're worried about your failure as an Amarrian mother, hairstyles are the least of your worries.

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2008.09.26 19:34:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 27/09/2008 08:11:18
Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 26/09/2008 22:24:07
Originally by: Avel Kereka
If you're worried about your failure as an Amarrian mother, hairstyles are the least of your worries.


OH. It's you again. Do you not have a daughter? Does she not do things you disappprove of? No? then silence, please.

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:02:00 - [4]
 

*audio only*

You bring up some fears I have. Having recently became a... well, mother is the best term, myself, I often wonder if I am the best person to provide for her.

*a small laugh can be heard*

However, if my worst worries about her growing up are her choice of hair styles... I will count my guiding stars I was so lucky. I know the nightmares my own childhood brought my parents, I hope against the odds that little Jall'n won't do such things to my sanity.

If it really does bother you, I would consider speaking with her about it. No subject should be taboo between a mother and her child.

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 26/09/2008 22:24:58
Originally by: Inara Subaka
No subject should be taboo between a mother and her child.


Inara! hi!

her hair is not the isssue. i'ts a symptom of her nto listening.

I protected her from them, and stil she has foolish notion of going to Federatin and findin him. I tell her she's ehr own person and this is thanks I get? I am to worry whiel she goes off?

I go to see her tmorrow. WORDS wil be said.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:29:00 - [6]
 

Did the galaxy suddenly suffer a shortage of vowels while I wasn't paying attention?

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:30:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 26/09/2008 20:35:40
I don't have a daughter, but I've been one all my life. *smirks*.

I don't know how conservitive you tend to be but really, one's choice of hairstyle is a rather benign one. If you think hers outregeous you might not have seen many trendy young Gallente hangouts lately. Last I checked the new trend was fiber optic and electroluminescent accessories...actualy I recently got a hair clip with fiber optic decoration, it's subttle enough to go with formal wear even, but there's enough flashy, flashing, neon, even animated stuff out there.

Ahem. Just because she disagrees with you doesn't mean you "fail" at anything; it's probably healthier, in general principle, that you don't agree on everything. Decision making is part of growing up. You may not always like it but you have to be realistic about when your not liking it maters.

Edit: Oh, so there's a guy involved. Consider me out of my league then.

I don't know how old she is; does she have capsuleer training or did she take something like the Interbus? Space travel can be rough on the inexperienced but I would hope she has enough common sense to stick to safer routes.

Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:42:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Kathryn Dougans on 26/09/2008 22:26:25
Originally by: Stitcher
Did the galaxy suddenly suffer a shortage of vowels while I wasn't paying attention?


You! you have more sense then to mock my inebriation. Yuor jest is amusiing. I like you.

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
I don't know how old she is; does she have capsuleer training or did she take something like the Interbus? Space travel can be rough on the inexperienced but I would hope she has enough common sense to stick to safer routes.


she's 17 and alraedy a capsuleeer. She has danm fool idea of makeing name for herslef in galllente MILitia, to draw daddy out. I tell her not to an she doesnt listen

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:48:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 26/09/2008 20:48:39
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
You! yuo have moer sens thn to mock my inebriatin. Yuor jest is amusiing. I liek you.


Oh thank goodness, you're just drunk. I was beginning to worry that universal translation software had begun charging by the letter.

If it's any consolation, my parents refused to talk to my brother Byre for a whole month after he started wearing his boots cross-laced, rather than straight-laced as required by corporate regulations. He grew out of it, eventually.

(*Stitcher's expression is perfectly deadpan)

Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
Posted - 2008.09.26 20:56:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Veron Daerth on 26/09/2008 20:57:51
<Veron Daerth laughs>

Daughters. I sometimes wish they could be locked into a barrel and let out only when they are adults. Lesharu informed me quite calmly the other day that she wished to attend a synth-rock concert held on the station in Aunia with some friends.

When I inquired as to whom she would be going with, she informed me that one of them was a fellow I knew of, and that seemed to be unduly interested in her, in my opinion. Having spoken to this young man (and informed him that if he touched Lesharu in any way that I ever found out about and wouldnt like, I would kill him myself) I had thought he had gotten the clue, so to speak. Alas for the hormones of youth.

Shian has told me that I am overreacting, but I disagree. Since beginning to "hang out" with this young man and his coterie of friends, Lesharu's grades have dropped somewhat (not enough for me to "take notice of" yet) and she has begun to display what I can only define as an attitude of belligerence toward me when I ask/tell her to do things like her homework, or when I inform her of public outings that we are to take as a family. Shian says "its a phase" and will pass. But I tell you, its already annoying as all hell.

I want the best for her, and I will allow some leeway for her to make her own mistakes and therefore learn from them. But I am her father and she must understand that there is only so much I will allow. I just havent figured out how to get her to understand that yet.

Lady Dougans, I dont think you have failed as a mother. But it is good for me to know that I am not the only one that has issues with my child, however small those issues may be.

May God grant you Wisdom, (especially when its about your children...can you hear me God?!?!) Pilots.

Oh, before I forget, no she didnt get to go, and she most certainly didnt get to be felt up by that young Achuran fool.

Daitetsu Minase
Posted - 2008.09.26 21:08:00 - [11]
 

Hurr hurr, guess dat's yer solution for everythin, lockin people up. Even your own.

Blanche Genevre
Gallente
Hot Magazine
Posted - 2008.09.26 21:20:00 - [12]
 

I'm sure that the problem lies beneath the simple question of hair styles, isnt'it?

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2008.09.26 21:53:00 - [13]
 

Ah, Veron...I'd like to offer some advice from the more youthfull side of the spectrum but the topic is a bit of a thorny one, since where it concearns, ah, intimate relationships, your culture and mine are rather at odds. That's not to say thet Gallente parrents don't have the same reaction you do to such a situation, but there is rather less long term stigma attached to them when hormones take over from good sense.

Your wife is right in that most teens go through this sort of thing. In the more benign aspect of it, balancing work and play well, I find, only came to me with practice (though my idea of "play" usualy consisted of too many books or computer games). Instead of being simply insistant that she meet her responsabilities, perhaps find ways for her to demonstrate that she will meet them and reward it with increased trust and autonomy. At the very least there may be something gained by trying to work with her instead of against her. Often increased preasure to do as one's told leads to all the greater desire to rebel.

As for the boy...well, the possability of something you don't like happening is there, and there is the chance that you won't be able to do anything to prevent it. I guess it sounds scary but teens are resourcefull when it comes to sneeking things around their parents. Now an Amarrian might not approve of this, so maybe it had best come from her mother...but I would be sure she understands about things like birth control and disease control and all the other possible concequences of intercourse, if there's even a chance that things could be that serious. Whatever the moral implications might be to you and your peers, the practical and physical ones might be more devistating if she doesn't. Like my father said when he started to let me drink alchohol at special family occasions, he'd rather, if I was going to try it, that I did where he knew I'd be safe rather then get out of controll and possibly come to harm elsewhere.

(All that said, I wasn't personaly very interested in boys as a teen...I only khow how many other people I knew were, usualy without their parents knowing. I was a bit older before I got into anything particaruly serious, if short-lived...but I prefer to keep such things private.)

Shinoon Aqerha
Ammatar Outlands Trading
Posted - 2008.09.26 21:54:00 - [14]
 

Your orthography looks to be the bigger issue, if I may be frank (but you can call me noon).

Camperific
Minmatar
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2008.09.26 22:01:00 - [15]
 

Yeah...Hairstyle's of the young,go figure.
I don't like their muzak either...I'm a proper old bastard *Grins and shakes his head*



Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2008.09.26 22:11:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
I was beginning to worry that universal translation software had begun charging by the letter.


Gods and spirits man, shut up! You'll give them ideas!

Garion Avarr
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2008.09.26 22:28:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
[. . .]
(...but I prefer to keep such things private.)

A very Amarrian attitude, if I may say so. And, actually, the major difference in attitudes towards such things between our people.


Ah, children.

I can only say that I am glad I am no longer that specific age, nor do I currently have any of that age. I certainly am glad I did not have myself for a son.

Remind them that their choices now will affect their entire lives. Though I am not certain that fact will register with them, it did not with me when I was that age.

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.09.26 22:30:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Shinoon Aqerha
Your orthography looks to be the bigger issue, if I may be frank (but you can call me noon).


*bitterness is barely held back as Inara starts speaking*

Alcohol will affect most people to the point of slurring, and some people more than others.

*Inara takes a breath and continues in calmer tones*

I dread the day the young Amarrian girl I tuck into bed every night learns of boys, or rather they learn of her. I may join you Pilot Dougans at the bottom of a bottle on that day.

Speaking in terms of optimism, have faith that the things you instilled in her growing up will stay with her for the rest of her life. Speaking as a new mother... *raises a glass before taking a long draw and closing the channel*

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2008.09.26 22:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Garion Avarr
Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
[. . .]
(...but I prefer to keep such things private.)

A very Amarrian attitude, if I may say so. And, actually, the major difference in attitudes towards such things between our people.




It's slightly an Intaki one too if you want to classify it....at least, the outright exibitionisim you sometimes see with the Gallente and affiliated races didn't start with us. It's a facinating subject of study, the sexual cultures of the various ethnic groups, but in the end it's my personal taste and personality (which veers torward the reserved side Intaki are steriotypicly known for).

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.09.27 07:59:00 - [20]
 

I can't recall there being a Scriptural prohibition against wearing hair like that.

And, as another pilot mentioned, there is most likely a deeper issue than simple hairstyle.


Celeste Fauconnier
Gallente
Hara Kobaro Dourdan
Posted - 2008.09.27 15:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Inara Subaka
No subject should be taboo between a mother and her child.


Convince my daughter of that, would you? She tells me nothing. And she wonders why I abet her being spied upon!

I've grown rather tired of starting conversations with her like 'So, I have heard you're now a terrorist. When and how and more importantly why did this happen? And why didn't you WARN me before it came out on IGS?'

I love her very much, and worry about her more. I wish she'd come home so we could get all of this sorted out.

But no, now she feels that she needs to stay away from home 'for our own good'. She's saying nonsense like 'you are a big girl now, Maman, and do not need me anymore'. How ridiculous! Of course I'll always need her, and she'll always need me.

Why else would I've bothered with this near-immortality nonsense?

Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Posted - 2008.09.29 10:10:00 - [22]
 

Hair is obsolete.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.09.29 10:19:00 - [23]
 

Like other writers, I do not have a daughter. I am one, though, and boy did I give trouble to my a clan when they were raising me up.

My advice: Keep on telling her your opinions. And then let her do what she chooses. If you raised her well, she will return to you after seeing the world for herself.


Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.09.29 11:38:00 - [24]
 

Nothing else for it, I think.

If you'd like, I'm willing to offer my services as a mediator in any sort of talks you'd like to engage in, to keep things moving. It might take some time ,but I'm sure we can work something out.

And, despite graffiti painted all over stations in Venal, I will NOT be stealing your souls as payment, if you accept my offer.


Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.09.29 14:03:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 29/09/2008 14:03:07
Quote:
Why do young people have such hair?

I know what you mean ... but hopefully my kids will follow my example and have a nice normal hair cut.

Chris Liath
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.09.29 15:07:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Chris Liath on 29/09/2008 15:07:16
Honey, if you're worried how your amarrian daughter wears her hair, you should see the gallentean youth in caduceus on Sovicou...

God how I love being Gallente.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.09.29 15:18:00 - [27]
 


What's wrong with having a hairstyle that's different to most others?

I'm quite fond of crimson, myself.

Very Happy


Kathryn Dougans
Amarr
Posted - 2008.09.29 16:07:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Verone

What's wrong with having a hairstyle that's different to most others?



Do young Federation Militiamen make smutty comments about your hairstyle? And how it makes certain acts easier?

Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2008.09.29 17:33:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Originally by: Verone

What's wrong with having a hairstyle that's different to most others?



Do young Federation Militiamen make smutty comments about your hairstyle? And how it makes certain acts easier?


Not within my hearing range, fortunately. Then again, I don't frequent the rowdier militia hangouts on stations.

Hmm, that said, it occurs to me that if I see her appear on militia channels I could at least see that she's doing all right. You say she's 17 though? I'm not sure if there's a rule about joining younger than the age of majority (18 here)...I would *think* there is, but someone might assume she's older just because she's a capsuleer and not check.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.09.30 11:00:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 30/09/2008 11:01:51
If there is an age limit (to be honest, I have no idea), then they really do make exceptions with capsuleers, at least hearabouts. The youngest in pod I've heard of was 15 and only preparing for his Voluval (he was flying with his father, thankfully); I know of several 17-year-olds in service of various organizations.





Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only