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KAELA MENSHA
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:35:00 - [91]
 

If they put npc controled cyno points in 0.5 systems only. it would allow jumps back to hi sec, but would prevent hi sec to hi sec jumps.

corp standings would be taken into account of course

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:08:00 - [92]
 

If a cyno can be fired in high-sec, there is no logic by existing game rules that any capital ship be able to lock onto the signal and jump-in.

Additionally, as mentioned in previous posts, it would make EVE a small place with little meaning in market differentiation.


KAELA MENSHA
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:17:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
If a cyno can be fired in high-sec, there is no logic by existing game rules that any capital ship be able to lock onto the signal and jump-in.

Additionally, as mentioned in previous posts, it would make EVE a small place with little meaning in market differentiation.




Why can black ops jump in and out.

sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander.

Lets have consistancy at least.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:22:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: KAELA MENSHA
Why can black ops jump in and out.

sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander.

Lets have consistancy at least.


Agreed on that. Maybe the issue is because Jump Freighters are not covert-ships?

Pilot A: "Hey .. I'm sure I just saw a ship the size of a small moon .. where did it go?"
Pilot B: "It cloaked!"
Pilot A: "Yeah right."

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:36:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis



Either way... all I See is 2 groups... one who want's less frustration as they are going to and fro 0.0 to high sec.

And a bunch of gankers who want meatier targets.



Somewhere in the middle is "Eve Online" and the people who play it. Allowing ships to cyno into high sec is silly. Cyno into lowsec and use a gate. Just like a normal freighter.

KAELA MENSHA
Posted - 2008.10.14 18:39:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Originally by: Drake Draconis



Either way... all I See is 2 groups... one who want's less frustration as they are going to and fro 0.0 to high sec.

And a bunch of gankers who want meatier targets.



Somewhere in the middle is "Eve Online" and the people who play it. Allowing ships to cyno into high sec is silly. Cyno into lowsec and use a gate. Just like a normal freighter.


Fine with me. same for black ops then ?

Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.10.14 19:36:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: KAELA MENSHA


Somewhere in the middle is "Eve Online" and the people who play it. Allowing ships to cyno into high sec is silly. Cyno into lowsec and use a gate. Just like a normal freighter.


Fine with me. same for black ops then ?



Blackops serves a different purpose so I'm not sure the two should be compared, but I'm happy to see the merits discussed in a separate thread.

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.10.15 15:32:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Allowing ships to cyno into high sec is silly.

You state this as a fact but its an opinion. How about some argumentation to back up your opinion and provide some valid points into this discussion?

Besides if you think black ops are different since they have a special role why not make a difference for 100% passive 4bn ships as well? They already are a different breed of ships since it doesn't require capital ships skill but are treated by the majority as a capital ship.

Martin Broadcloak
Posted - 2008.10.15 19:59:00 - [99]
 

If you don't have the support / brains to jump into low sec and go through a gate to high sec, you probably shouldn't be flying this ship. Cynoing to high-sec takes all the risk out - its not that hard to cyno to low-sec next to high sec and use a gate and still exposes you to risk.

You can cyno out of high-sec, that's good enough.

Zanpt
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.18 12:00:00 - [100]
 

Yes, this would be a Good Thing(TM).

DEATHsyphon
Gallente
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.10.18 14:39:00 - [101]
 

You know I just realized that this thread isn't about being able to jump into to lowsec or 0.0 than back into highsec, because jumping to a lowsec system right next to highsec is basicly 0 risk.

IdeaThis is about lazy people wanting to jump around in highsec and completely avoiding jumping 20 jumps to take stuff to market or visa versa. They just don't want to be scanned down and ganked after people see whats in their hold.(hint Courier Contracts)Rolling Eyes

KAELA MENSHA
Posted - 2008.10.18 17:44:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: DEATHsyphon
You know I just realized that this thread isn't about being able to jump into to lowsec or 0.0 than back into highsec, because jumping to a lowsec system right next to highsec is basicly 0 risk.

IdeaThis is about lazy people wanting to jump around in highsec and completely avoiding jumping 20 jumps to take stuff to market or visa versa. They just don't want to be scanned down and ganked after people see whats in their hold.(hint Courier Contracts)Rolling Eyes


Try reading before posting please.
then you might have something useful to sayExclamation

Esmenet
Gallente
Posted - 2008.10.18 19:52:00 - [103]
 

It would be idiotic to allow this. Just one more step towards complete immunity for haulers.

Avalira
Caldari
The Black Light Foundation
Posted - 2008.10.18 19:56:00 - [104]
 

As a JF pilot myself I don't see the point in this. The only dangers in low-sec or 0.0 cynos is to the cyno alt itself. For a JF jumping to a friendly station (NPC) there is no risk.

The only time a JF can be killed is the following:
1) Using gates in low-sec to reduce fuel consumption (lol yes some fools actually do it).
2) Jumping into a system with no station and getting jumped
3) Undocking and getting ejected outside docking range, then an infini-point heavy dic prevents you from jumping.
4) Being bumped out of docking range while waiting for the session timer to change after jumping into a system.

All of these can be avoided by using common sense, and if you do the worst case scenario is that your 4M-isk cyno alt gets killed while your 4B isk JF docks safely. After that just undock, warp to 0 and jump into high-sec. Nothing can stop you once you are in warp to the gate... unless you CTD when clicking on the gate. The latter actually happened to me once but luckily there were no pirates... very stressful!

Part of me wants to agree with the OP just so I can save my cyno alt and jump without worrying about local, checking for pirates before jumping, choosing the best station for undocking, etc, etc, etc... On the other hand using a JF is very safe. Hell I remember having to use a freighter to 0.0 and low-sec and yet I didn't complain. Just be happy we got JF from CCP and stop whining about being 100% safe.

DEATHsyphon
Gallente
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.10.19 16:13:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: KAELA MENSHA
Originally by: DEATHsyphon
You know I just realized that this thread isn't about being able to jump into to lowsec or 0.0 than back into highsec, because jumping to a lowsec system right next to highsec is basicly 0 risk.

IdeaThis is about lazy people wanting to jump around in highsec and completely avoiding jumping 20 jumps to take stuff to market or visa versa. They just don't want to be scanned down and ganked after people see whats in their hold.(hint Courier Contracts)Rolling Eyes


Try reading before posting please.
then you might have something useful to sayExclamation



I think you failed to see posts from me almost from page one there m8. YARRRR!!


KAELA MENSHA
Posted - 2008.10.19 17:49:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: DEATHsyphon
Originally by: KAELA MENSHA
Originally by: DEATHsyphon
You know I just realized that this thread isn't about being able to jump into to lowsec or 0.0 than back into highsec, because jumping to a lowsec system right next to highsec is basicly 0 risk.

IdeaThis is about lazy people wanting to jump around in highsec and completely avoiding jumping 20 jumps to take stuff to market or visa versa. They just don't want to be scanned down and ganked after people see whats in their hold.(hint Courier Contracts)Rolling Eyes


Try reading before posting please.
then you might have something useful to sayExclamation



I think you failed to see posts from me almost from page one there m8. YARRRR!!




Originally by: Evanga
As i read this you dont know you can jump from out of high sec to low sec. CCP could build in a restriction of not being able to jump from high sec to high sec. MY point is to be able to jump from low into high sec. Nothing more. Period.

all that was asked for is the ability to jump from low to hi sec not hi sec to hi sec

Evanga
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Posted - 2008.11.03 14:24:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: KAELA MENSHA
Originally by: DEATHsyphon
Originally by: KAELA MENSHA
Originally by: DEATHsyphon
You know I just realized that this thread isn't about being able to jump into to lowsec or 0.0 than back into highsec, because jumping to a lowsec system right next to highsec is basicly 0 risk.

IdeaThis is about lazy people wanting to jump around in highsec and completely avoiding jumping 20 jumps to take stuff to market or visa versa. They just don't want to be scanned down and ganked after people see whats in their hold.(hint Courier Contracts)Rolling Eyes


Try reading before posting please.
then you might have something useful to sayExclamation



I think you failed to see posts from me almost from page one there m8. YARRRR!!




Originally by: Evanga
As i read this you dont know you can jump from out of high sec to low sec. CCP could build in a restriction of not being able to jump from high sec to high sec. MY point is to be able to jump from low into high sec. Nothing more. Period.

all that was asked for is the ability to jump from low to hi sec not hi sec to hi sec


exactly!

Kitti Kenzaki
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.11.03 18:53:00 - [108]
 

Solution is simple :

A Low sec system near high sec (1 jump).
A station/POS in this system.
Cyno a station.
JF jumps.
- If agressed > dock
- If not under attack > jump 0km to Star Gate.

> High sec cyno are useless and it will open a can of worms as CCP love to say.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2008.11.03 22:52:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Skunk is correct on that risk now is allready very low. However since we are apparently removing boring stuff, why not also give normal freighters ability to jump between high sec systems, otherwise it is boring. And how about you just start a lvl 4 mission and you get 20M isk without the need to do anything.




good idea . start a thread and ill support it

SKUNK

Dogfighter
Posted - 2008.11.04 17:39:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Dogfighter on 04/11/2008 17:42:47
Originally by: DiaBlo UK
with the nature of these ships being mainly to get things in and out of 0.0 a certain level of risk should be associated with it.
Being able to jump from highsec and back to high sec removes too much of the risk.

If you can afford a 4bil ship, and have enough people to control some 0.0 space then you should be able to secure a low sec system long enough to dock or jump(through a gate) your JF out.


I agree. Where is the risk? How are JFs going to explode? They must have a weak point, and this weak point is when they return from low-sec/0.0 to high-sec.

I do not support the idea of cynos in high-sec. Soon, someone will ask why a Rorqual cannot use the high-sec cyno, since it is not a war ship like the JFs.


Edit just for typos.

Machine Delta
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.11.05 13:59:00 - [111]
 

Horrible idea, you'd take all risk out of 0.0 logistics. 0.0 could use a buff but not something like this.

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2008.11.09 05:19:00 - [112]
 

nay, boo , there should be risk in eve.

RedLion
Caldari
State Constructions

Posted - 2008.11.10 00:49:00 - [113]
 

Let people cyno into high sec, but only if they are in non-npc corporations.

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.10 00:59:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: RedLion
Let people cyno into high sec, but only if they are in non-npc corporations.


Sure. But first Freighters and Jump Freighters have to be limited to people within player corps.

Abel Tasman
Aliastra

Posted - 2008.11.10 02:47:00 - [115]
 



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