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V1123
Posted - 2008.09.22 04:19:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: V1123 on 22/09/2008 22:13:06
I have seen a few people attempt to hire other players to do recruitment for them by offering to pay them in ISK per recruit that joins the corporation. I have even seen someone advertise his services as a professional corp recruiter, but that was the one and only time i have seen this. So I am wondering the following:

Has anyone been successful with this strategy of recruiting others to do recruitment for your corp?

If you were to hire somebody else to do recruitment for you, what would you think is a reasonable fee to pay someone for this service?

If you were w***ing yourself out as a recruiter, how much would you charge per recruit that joins the corp?

V1123
Posted - 2008.09.22 21:56:00 - [2]
 

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Makhar
Independent Miners Guild
Guild Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.23 17:05:00 - [3]
 

I'd be interested to know the answer to these questions as well. Anybody?

Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2008.09.23 21:18:00 - [4]
 

I have to say that recruiting is one of the least pleasurable parts of corporate management and I can certainly understand the desire to farm the job out. However, the practice is usually not as pleasant as the theory as contracting out your recruitment has several disadvantages.

1. How well can a professional recruiter represent your corp? At the end of the day, the fact remains that he (or she) is not a part of your organization. His motivation is isk and not the sustained growth of your corp.

2. When do you pay? The recruiter will have up-front costs to pay for anti-spam and convo charges. Do you give him a stipend? Or do you wait until the application is received? Perhaps once the application is approved. But what if the recruit drops out after a few days? Do you get your money back? Or do you wait until the new recruit has been in your corp for a week, fortnight or month?

3. How much do you pay? If you offer too little, the recruiter will have little motivation to work for you. Offer too much and he may be tempted to stack your corp full of alts and cronies who will get a slice of the action.

I'd be interested in hearing from someone who has had good luck with contracted recruitment, though.

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Posted - 2008.09.23 21:27:00 - [5]
 

I've been recruiting for more than five years and I've previously built my corp from three members at start up to over five hundred at peak and it's exhausting work but I can offer you some advice. If you're considering paying someone to do this for you, I'd think twice. I have never employed anyone to help me or do it in place of me. I have senior, trusted members of my corp who help and the reason for this is because at the end of the day, what does an external freelancer know about your corp? What faith can I, as a CEO, put in them to follow their gut and not their wallet? Would they care if a member joined and had a crap attitude? Or left a week later? Or worse, was a thief or spy? Or would they just be interested in the payout?

If I wanted to, I could go out and recruit 100 members in the next 7 days but it would be a conveyor belt of inadaquate members. Quantity over quality which as a CEO/Director is what you should be looking for.

Having said all this, if you're a damn hard working and successful recruiter looking to earn some cash on the side, then there's plenty of people who will hire you. I can't advise on payment, I'm simply offering up a counter-argument to the whole notion of hiring someone to recruit to your corp on your behalf Smile

J

V1123
Posted - 2008.09.24 06:51:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: V1123 on 24/09/2008 06:53:33

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
1. How well can a professional recruiter represent your corp? At the end of the day, the fact remains that he (or she) is not a part of your organization. His motivation is isk and not the sustained growth of your corp.

Prior to recruiter setting out to do recruiting for you, you can tell him exact things to say about your corp that he then can repeat like a parrot with a bit of variation. I have done recruitment before and often i find myself saying same things over and over again. The recruiter can also sit in your public channel to get to know the corp members a little. It is a problem, you are correct, but one that I think can be brought to a minimum.

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
2. When do you pay? The recruiter will have up-front costs to pay for anti-spam and convo charges. Do you give him a stipend? Or do you wait until the application is received? Perhaps once the application is approved. But what if the recruit drops out after a few days?

The CSPA charges amount fo about 3000 ISK. You can only have about 12 meaningful convos per hour (5 minutes each) which means that he will be spending 36K ISK per hour of recruiting. This is a sum only cheapskates and day-1 noobs stress about. You can always reimburse the recruiter later for it by adding 50-200K to your payment.

Payment: I think that the only logical thing to do here is to pay per player successfully recruited into corporation rather than time recruiter spent recruiting. This provides an incentive. Otherwise I can just pretend I am recruiting to receive my ISK and be very lazy about it. Paying per hour will simply not work.

Retention: Recruits can drop out day 1 without any fault of the recruiter here. You can, however, do some quality control if you suspect recruiter is mis-representing your corporation. Ask the recruiter to send you all private convos he has had with those people who apply. Then you can see if he is promising them free battleships and 25/8 pvp. Another way about this is to ask the recruiter to invite people into your public chat where he can be talking to the recruit for all members to see and pitch in.

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
3. How much do you pay? If you offer too little, the recruiter will have little motivation to work for you. Offer too much and he may be tempted to stack your corp full of alts and cronies.

That's what I was asking - how much would such service go for. Mining veldspar in high sec pays about 8-10 million ISK per hour so obviously has to pay at least on par with this income. You can always set an age or skill point limit on recruits, meaning that the recruiter will not be able to stuff your corp with his own alts. There are only so many accounts he can own and his other characters will probably also be in some corps. Cronies once again limited in number. There are only so many friends you can have.

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
I'd be interested in hearing from someone who has had good luck with contracted recruitment, though.

Yeah me too. I was hanging out in recruitment channel when i noticed some guy was advertising himself as a professional recruiter who will recruit for your corp for ISK. This started me and my friends talking about this type of service, which is really very rare in EVE. I think the main barrier to it is that the ISK corporations offer is just too little. Often I see people paying like 200-300K ISK per recruit which if you consider the 8-10 mil per hour figure of mining veld in high sec is just miserable pay suitable only for week 1-2 noobs.

I might try explore this role later in game, in a month or two. It would be interesting as an experiment, if not a profitable venture, as I earn too much ISK for this to be profitable to me personally to any extent. But I am curious if one in theory can make a moderately profitable business out of this with income that would at least rival 10 mil/hour.


 

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