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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: BiggestT on 22/01/2009 08:49:54
Edited by: BiggestT on 14/09/2008 16:55:09
Edited by: BiggestT on 13/09/2008 14:06:16
Edited by: BiggestT on 13/09/2008 13:10:03
edit: I give up editing! lol

-Post will be updated as more information regarding more facts/accuracy comes in..Anything false will soon be snuffed out and edited (so dont post made-up-stuff plz!)-

Every thing below is apparently true in accordance to the history of EVE after a few vets were chatting about it on ts once..Believe it or not but this is not a troll..

Here goes:
Exclamation-Battlships were often fitted with cruiser weapons and tank as very few could afford or use bs sized weapons

Exclamation-Jove ships have indeed been destroyed before, a 99.99% resists jove frig was once insta-popped and a jove hauler was once popped. (Update: Most likely untrue)

Exclamation-The popped hauler had in the cargo hold a special type of mining laser: tech5! (Update: Name was "Tech 5 Nibelung mining laser") they had a blue tag with Tagart Trans-dimensional Industries ending up with the laser. (Update: No Hauler has ever popped, but given to a player via GM)

Exclamation-A "jove representative" (ccp of course) contacted the corps that had said lasers and asked them to form up at a rally point to give them back for a reward, the reward was the first t2 bpo's (Mining laser II's) (Update: Apparently only one laser was dropped and one corp traded it to the GM..) 6 months before t2 bpo's were released! (Update: There was such a high demand for the first mining lasers that there was an apparent 10-month waiting list! CCP later introduced BPO's 1 by 1, such as when there was an event with a rogue jove general having a battle with other jove ships somewhere in the south, a miner II BPO was going to be dropped, in this event Tyrell corp found the Miner II BPO. After whines from the player base about this systems unfair design, the t2 BPO lottery was soon implemented).


Exclamation-(most awesome) A pilot was jumping from system to system once when he was magically pulled out of jumping (theres an eve chronicle similar to this).
He was dropped into a station where everything cost 100isk (like sisi) and required no skills.
The pilot attained a jove mothership (serious!) it was that alliances flagship until the ship was 'commandeered' (taken back). (Update: This possibly inaccurate, may have been a jove bs rather than a jove mothership..) (Update: This is likely a VERY very mutated account of the guy who found he could change his cloning station to a system in jove space and then had a friend kill him. Once there he proceeded to buy an Eidolon (jovian battleship) but didnt have the skills to fly it.)


Exclamation-(most funny) In the days before rr-ing a player flagged by concord was illegal, one pilot (Update: Name was Zombies) camped a busy stargate in yulai and started off with 17+ bs's rr'ing him while (Update: This possibly incorrect and may have been from 99.99% resists to tank before stacking penalties applied..)he blew up concord and every ship that went past!
CCP cld not stop this as it was well within game mechanics, all they cld do was pile on the concord..The aggressing pilot called for more and more rr untill something AWESOME happened..A message popped up to the fleet saying something along the lines of "This is what happens when you exploit CCP's game" (not sure on excact wording) and the ENTIRE 150 odd man fleet was picked up and dropped 200 jumps away! Apparently only about 3 made it back..(Update: Four "Conchord generals" were soon implemented to end the concord-tanking naughty griefers)

Think what you will but this is not a troll. CCP were much more interactive with the player base back when EVE was small allowing such interaction..(/wishes he was a 2003 char!)
/me goes back to dreaming of t5 bs guns

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:09:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: BiggestT on 15/09/2008 15:54:30
Edited by: BiggestT on 15/09/2008 15:37:20
Edited by: BiggestT on 13/09/2008 14:22:22

Heres some more stuff (to be updated, plz add to this list if you remeber/know of anything cool that has happened in the "Old days" of EVE)

Exclamation Implants used to be obscenely expensive (in comparison to the average earnings of the players), so much so that it was a common tactic (much more comman than today) to hold some1's ship in space and ransom them to save their implants, 9 times out of ten, a player would agree and eject the ship, leaving a shiny ship for the aggressor (not bad considering it took approx. 2 months to mine for your first cruiser Wink)
ExclamationIn the case above about ransoming, more often than not minmatar ships were never ransomed and simply shot with the player podded, as apparently very few flew minmatar ships..

ExclamationYou used to find high end ores in low security systems, even Arkanor, before the mineral redistribution.

ExclamationThere didn't used to be any "Super Highways" and traveling from one region took for ever. Especially when you consider that the closest you could warp to any object was 15km.

ExclamationWarp gates used to dump you into space near a planet in the target system (JIP - Jump In Point) before it was changed to "Gate to Gate".

ExclamationMicro Warp Drives used to be "One Size Fits All" and there were originally no meta types or NPCs drops for them either

ExclamationThe first BS in game was a Dominix and it belonged to a member of m0o (j0rt)

Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:19:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Exclamation-(most awesome) A pilot was jumping from system to system once when he was magically pulled out of jumping (theres an eve chronicle similar to this).
He was dropped into a station where everything cost 100isk (like sisi) and required no skills.
The pilot attained a jove mothership (serious!) it was that alliances flagship until the ship was 'commandeered' (taken back).


Never heard of this one. Are there pictures of it?

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:23:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: BiggestT
Exclamation-(most awesome) A pilot was jumping from system to system once when he was magically pulled out of jumping (theres an eve chronicle similar to this).
He was dropped into a station where everything cost 100isk (like sisi) and required no skills.
The pilot attained a jove mothership (serious!) it was that alliances flagship until the ship was 'commandeered' (taken back).


Never heard of this one. Are there pictures of it?


No sorry, he said to look it up or something though id have no idea where to look lol..

Ordais
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: BiggestT
Exclamation-(most awesome) A pilot was jumping from system to system once when he was magically pulled out of jumping (theres an eve chronicle similar to this).
He was dropped into a station where everything cost 100isk (like sisi) and required no skills.
The pilot attained a jove mothership (serious!) it was that alliances flagship until the ship was 'commandeered' (taken back).


Never heard of this one. Are there pictures of it?


No sorry, he said to look it up or something though id have no idea where to look lol..


Hm i doubt this one to be honest. Yea, sometimes some players got the opportunity to go to the part of the EVE map where CCP test things (the not open region on the map).
But i doubt the "jove mothership" part, we know of frigs/BS but never cap-ships. Maybe he got confused on this one.

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:46:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Ordais

Hm i doubt this one to be honest. Yea, sometimes some players got the opportunity to go to the part of the EVE map where CCP test things (the not open region on the map).
But i doubt the "jove mothership" part, we know of frigs/BS but never cap-ships. Maybe he got confused on this one.


Its possible that they were mistaken for a jove bs, as they werent in the allaince so the allaicne may have been exxagerating...It may have been before caps even, so thats more than likely the case..

Against Miracles
Proffessional Experts Group
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:51:00 - [7]
 


Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:55:00 - [8]
 

True or not true, these stories sound epic! YARRRR!!

Thanks for sharing. Very Happy

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.13 13:58:00 - [9]
 

More facts/history added in second post, plz add to this list if you have anything else interesting and i will update it..

Night Tripper
Es and Whizz
Posted - 2008.09.13 14:04:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Night Tripper on 13/09/2008 14:08:01
Of the 150 forced on that 200 jump death march, 89 died from untreated repetitive strain injury, 45 from sensory depravity, 13 had survived but lost their mind. Only the 3 survived with minor emotional problems.

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2008.09.13 14:17:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Implants used to be obscenely expensive


I still remember selling a +2 memory implant for 42m, and I believe this was cheaper than they had been ! I don't think +4's or higher existed at that time, and neither did jump clones, so personally I didn't even have implants for the first year or two that I played. And it was literally around the 6-8month mark that most people could finally afford battleships. New players today say they have it tough, they have no idea !

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.14 08:36:00 - [12]
 

I find the contrast between then and now incredibly interesting,
e.g. today fleet battles are much more complex, and strategies are more varied,
Tho yesterdays eve seemed much less lag free and more interactive with Players/Developers

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.09.14 08:47:00 - [13]
 

don't forget about the 4 conchord generals. Muu used to camp conchord and blow up anyone coming by using spider tanks and other such things.

SO a dev blog was releaed in which CCP introduced the 4 chord gernals which made quick work of the muu campains.

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.09.14 09:01:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Karanth on 14/09/2008 09:04:00
Edited by: Karanth on 14/09/2008 09:01:46
Originally by: BiggestT
Edited by: BiggestT on 13/09/2008 14:06:16
Edited by: BiggestT on 13/09/2008 13:10:03
Exclamation-(most funny) In the days before rr-ing a player flagged by concord was illegal, one pilot camped a busy stargate in yulai and started off with 17+ bs's rr'ing him while he blew up concord and every ship that went past!
CCP cld not stop this as it was well within game mechanics, all they cld do was pile on the concord..The aggressing pilot called for more and more rr untill something AWESOME happened..A message popped up to the fleet saying something along the lines of "This is what happens when you exploit CCP's game" (not sure on excact wording) and the ENTIRE 150 odd man fleet was picked up and dropped 200 jumps away! Apparently only about 3 made it back..


They apparently rolled back things there, and there were changes to concord and such.

EDIT: There was no flinging of ships.

EDIT 2: The first three things are true afaik.


Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2008.09.14 10:47:00 - [15]
 

Your 'awsome history' is some of the most corrupt info ever, either gleaned from forums by OPs posting pure hear-say, or simply 'chinease whispers' style.

Originally by: biggestT
-The popped hauler had in the cargo hold a special type of mining laser: tech5! they had a blue tag and 3 corporations ended up with these lasers


No, there was only 1 Tech 5 Nibelung Mining Laser, and it was given to a Pilot in space by an art director that had GM tools. The charatcer promptly logged off, and later sold it to a corp, which later traded it with a GM for thethe First Miner II bpo, Before R&D agents in game, and the highest agents were level 3.

GM's caved to Forum whines from the 1 month wiating lists for 10 mil isk Miner II's (i was the very first person on the wiating list, it was drawn up by posting 'x' in a ingame channel, and then given out by posting order after a set time). soon after more miner II bpos were released, aswell as Micro aux power core bpos, and some other print i cant remember through lvl 3 agents.

Originally by: BiggestT
-(most funny) In the days before rr-ing a player flagged by concord was illegal, one pilot camped a busy stargate in yulai and started off with 17+ bs's rr'ing him while he blew up concord and every ship that went past!


TankCEO had 99% resists from resistance mods pre-stacking penalty nerf, didn't need rr'ing bs's, and he was given a warning after popping some newbies while tanking.

Its amazing how history is corrupted over time, but will be interesting to see how these are further embelished over time.


Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2008.09.14 11:09:00 - [16]
 

Sorry if i came across as grumpy in my last post, but i didnt like your final note

Originally by: BiggestT
Think what you will but this is not a troll. CCP simply were much more interactive with the player base back when manging eve was a tad easier...


CCP 'being interactive' (medelling ingame and spawning items) sent these forums on fire many times with complaints of 'wtf favortism?' and generally their antics left imbalaces that took months to correct.

Interaction and abuse of GM tools are two completely seperate things.

As far as te lack or STAR event teams and community events being removed, thats a completely different grumble all together...


CALUGARU
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.09.14 11:12:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Edited by: BiggestT on 13/09/2008 14:06:16


Exclamation-(most funny) In the days before rr-ing a player flagged by concord was illegal, one pilot camped a busy stargate in yulai and started off with 17+ bs's rr'ing him while he blew up concord and every ship that went past!
CCP cld not stop this as it was well within game mechanics, all they cld do was pile on the concord..The aggressing pilot called for more and more rr untill something AWESOME happened..A message popped up to the fleet saying something along the lines of "This is what happens when you exploit CCP's game" (not sure on excact wording) and the ENTIRE 150 odd man fleet was picked up and dropped 200 jumps away! Apparently only about 3 made it back..

edit:typo


awww man i remember this one. ccp wtfpwned us then, man...the ****ing good memories Sad

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.09.14 16:59:00 - [18]
 

Updated, Thanks for the info guys!
If you know of any other awesome history or want to correct false facts plz keep the posts coming :D

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.09.14 17:13:00 - [19]
 

Someone correct me on any wrong parts.

But back in the 03, when m0o first started camping in Lonetrek I believe, someone needs to remind me of the actual system. The forum whiners at the time were in full force. So full that CCP decided that they would spawn in Dev (or GM) controlled CONCORD ships, in lowsec. All the players ran, except for The Reverend, who succeeded in attacking a CONCORD BS and getting himself spectacularly blown up.

Jaabaa
Minmatar
Dental Drilling Corporation
Posted - 2008.09.14 17:28:00 - [20]
 

Exclamation - The first BS in game was a Dominix and it belonged to a member of m0o (I can't remember who off the top of my head).

Exclamation - You used to find high end ores in low security systems, even Arkanor, before the mineral redistribution.

Exclamation - There didn't used to be any "Super Highways" and traveling from one region took for ever. Especially when you consider that the closest you could warp to any object was 15km.

Exclamation - Warp gates used to dump you into space near a planet in the target system (JIP - Jump In Point) before it was changed to "Gate to Gate".

Exclamation - Micro Warp Drives used to be "One Size Fits All" and there were originally no meta types or NPCs drops for them either.

Tychus
Posted - 2008.09.14 20:03:00 - [21]
 

…Accessing files.

*WARNING* Files may have been damaged by consumption of adult beverages. Data may be damaged!

1. Everyone was in a race to get to battleships, as they could tank the best, and could kill everything, since tracking was not an issue at the time. And yes, a Battleship could smoke a frig even at speed very easily. And torps did splash damage.
2-5. Joe is correct, an Art department type was mining, and a player chatted him up and begged for cool toys. The Art director spawned the T5 laser, and gave it to the player. The player then sold it to T.T.I. (Tagart Trans-dimensional Industries.) (($%^$ Tagart and his alt Roarke where a MASSIVE PITA to deal with, good riddance)) T.T.I. traded it to the GM’s for the T2 laser bpo. Which they later sold to Techell.
6. Not true. Back in the day, you could set your death clone to activate in Jove space. Undock -> self destruct-> wake up in a freaky organic looking station. Market was crap tho.
7. Not true. Tank CEO was killing with wild abandon 1 jump from the Amarr starter system that I forget the name of. But it had nothing to do with his tanking ability. It had to do with the fact he already had a -10.0 sec rating. Since his sec could no longer drop, the Eve system never sent a Concord kill notice. Concord did not respond to his agro. I lost a Moa to that jerk there, and he got banzored for a while.

Keep in mind Eve was a different place then, and the GM/DEVs had a much more cowboy attitude towards the player base. CCP did get far more directly involved with stuff, and it was a big deal. Does anyone else here remember the mad Jove general blasting through Angel space in his Eidolon? Good times.

T

Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.09.14 21:26:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa
Exclamation - The first BS in game was a Dominix and it belonged to a member of m0o (I can't remember who off the top of my head).

I thought it was a scorpion. it was in EON magazine a few issues back.

the OP should visit www.eve-history.net and do some proper research.

Synapse Archae
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.09.14 21:51:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: BiggestT
Exclamation-(most awesome) A pilot was jumping from system to system once when he was magically pulled out of jumping (theres an eve chronicle similar to this).
He was dropped into a station where everything cost 100isk (like sisi) and required no skills.
The pilot attained a jove mothership (serious!) it was that alliances flagship until the ship was 'commandeered' (taken back).


Never heard of this one. Are there pictures of it?


This is likely a VERY very mutated account of the guy who found he could change his cloning station to a system in jove space and then had a friend kill him. Once there he proceeded to buy an Eidolon (jovian battleship) but didnt have the skills to fly it.

He went around and took pictures until the GM's moved him back to highsec and closed off the jovian cloning stations.

Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2008.09.14 21:59:00 - [24]
 

Jorts dominix?

You're missing out the breakup of the mar/pas gatecamp.

Probaly one of the most famous events in 03, and urm errr wasn't it molly that did the concord thing?

Jaabaa
Minmatar
Dental Drilling Corporation
Posted - 2008.09.14 22:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Azia Burgi
Originally by: Jaabaa
Exclamation - The first BS in game was a Dominix and it belonged to a member of m0o (I can't remember who off the top of my head).

I thought it was a scorpion. it was in EON magazine a few issues back.

the OP should visit www.eve-history.net and do some proper research.


Heh heh, If there was a Scorpion in game before "j0rt"'s Dominix, then the owner sure didn't do as much with it as he/she could have.

But, if you are questioning if I did proper research, then I can assure you, that when "WE" were flying about during the beginnings of EVE, there was a "1st BS" and it was in "m0o" and it was a "Dominix", so my "research" was being here, in game when it counted, and not having to rely on some EVE History site, and you know why ? Because I was here when that EVE history was written.

It may be, that some other production alt managed to get a BS Scorpion out of the door before m0o, but I'm sure as hell that he/she didn't make a name with it. Who knows, they might never have even made a kill with it.

Micia
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.09.14 23:51:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Micia on 14/09/2008 23:56:28
Originally by: BiggestT
Exclamation-A "jove representative" (ccp of course) contacted the corps that had said lasers and asked them to form up at a rally point to give them back for a reward, the reward was the first t2 bpo's (Mining laser II's)


Warp Drive Active Podcast #37 - Urban & Blinky interview Ragnar (of "Magic Hat" fame), who explains his version of what happened here.

It starts in at 1 hour 27 minutes (was a very long show, that one)

Edit: They also talk with some MOO members later, as well, who had some stories about the ol' days.

Also interviews with Pan & the guy from Simon & Schuster who were involved early on.

Actually, the whole podacast is just great, and covers a lot of the early history & stories. Probably their best episode, overall. ugh

Erim Kaluk
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
Posted - 2008.09.15 12:17:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa
Exclamation - The first BS in game was a Dominix and it belonged to a member of m0o (I can't remember who off the top of my head).




j0rt had the first Dominix if I recall correctly. The first Battleship fight was between 2 m0o battleships (j0rt and Ywev iirc) and 2 russians, can't remember the name of the corp. The setups were medium Arty 650mm 'Scouts', as they were the best gun in game. The Bs's on the russian side had all gyro's fitted to the low slots and totally out damaged the m0o ships.

I had a character called Jay Yamato in m0o at the time, he's no longer with us though. I tried to move away from pirating after CCP reset all the -10 sec status people early on, but no corp wanted an ex pirate.

Bruce Deorum
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.09.15 13:22:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
I find the contrast between then and now incredibly interesting,
e.g. today fleet battles are much more complex, and strategies are more varied,
Tho yesterdays eve seemed much less lag free and more interactive with Players/Developers



I know you, i killed you're Ferox yesterday! Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Nice thread.

Orion GUardian
Caldari
Posted - 2008.09.15 13:32:00 - [29]
 

Ah Eve story...anyway I got a rather newbish-antiabbreviation question...what is "rr-ing"?

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.09.15 13:35:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Orion GUardian
Ah Eve story...anyway I got a rather newbish-antiabbreviation question...what is "rr-ing"?


remote repping :)


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