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Gabrialle
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.09.11 12:34:00 - [121]
 

I love this topic i havent laughed so much since the last time i read the sheriff jones eve shop thread.

1st off i think the op has abandoned tis thread and crawled back under whatever bridge he came from.

2nd i can only echo what post of you brilliant brilliant people have posted, op your a nonce s*d off.

3rd i saw a few ideas regarding population control, larry nivens ringworld books had the right idea IMHO. The idea for those of you who havent read these books s that people who are exceptional gain breeding rights intelligence, immunity to desease, physical characteristics etc all play a part, the better you are the more kids you can have. Also theres a 'birthright lottery' allowing the possibility to breed inherently lucky humans.

CynoCyno1
Posted - 2008.09.11 13:16:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Liberator 1
Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10
There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:

1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
.
.
345. Go back to the moon.
.
.
.
567. Go to Mars.
.
.
894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'

We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.


Why your list is upside down?

I don't see why should we rich countries care about poor countries and their problems? We have evolved from Africa as we moved to northen hemisphere and settled middle-east and eventually europe. We started making progress while people in these "poor" countries stayed in jungle and didn't evolve.

I say we should nuke or use other weapons to wipe out that human population to ensure thriving and surviving of our species. Going to Mars and Moon is one of the major steps in this plan.

Sorry if I don't share your point of humanitarian view of world. Mine is different than yours, just accept that.

For those whos going to flame and troll me - just think about it.


I have to agree we should wipe out 3rd world places make way for progress not help the weak! They had there chance to envole & they never so destory them we should, that way we can use the money to improve our selfs.

CynoCyno1
Posted - 2008.09.11 13:21:00 - [123]
 

Anyone want to join me in the fight to destory the 3rd world ? There goin to die anyways sooner or later why bother to feed them so there kids kids die ? They are a dien race & must be wiped out IMO.

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2008.09.11 14:33:00 - [124]
 

Back in the Victorian Era more people were worried about cholera than 8" brass refractors, yet rich men still financed them. Reason is, owners of capital can do with their money as they please and if some are more interested in fundamental science than social welfare, that is their prerogative.

There are too many people for the resource base to support anyway. IRL roids do not respawn. People forget that.

Philologus Indolus
Posted - 2008.09.11 15:06:00 - [125]
 

Here is how I see it. It is pure science. That is, knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

How do you think all of the things that we take for granted came about? The majority of them came about by tinkering. Essentially, that is all the LHC is doing (except on a subatomic scale).

Did you know that the steam engine was invented over 1500 years BEFORE the Industrial Revolution? Do you think Hero of Alexandria was thinking when he whipped it up "Gee, this thing can power a whole bevy of interesting things! In fact, this could free up a lot of manpower for other things!" No. It was a 'scientific toy'. 1500 years later, this guy named Thomas Newcomen came about and turned it into just that (thus beginning that little thing called the Industrial Revolution).

Just because something does not immediately spit out Wunderwidgets does not mean it is useless. To say so is shortsighted, ignorant and the attitude has contributed a great deal to the situation we are in today.

Just think... what POSSIBLE use could screwing around with pea plants be? Well... basically the experiments of Mendel with his pea plants has guided us into such diversified fields as medicine (lets get the heart medication into you early because you have a genetic heart defect), agriculture (this wheat can survive even the worst drought...) to animal husbandry (Lets only breed the cows who produce the most milk... or the best meat). Do you think Mendel saw how his discoveries would be used?

I will not even venture to guess how the LHC's discoveries will be used. The scientists have said that the entire field of physics could be turned on its head. And guess what folks... that could very well lead to things as varied as true space travel, inexhaustable energy sources and a bevy of other things.

So by all means, hold back the progress of humanity.

And just as a side note... a new energy source will basically solve nearly all of mankinds problems. That is a very real possible outcome of the work at the LHC.

Mithendadon Dodonas
Amarr
Sovereign Acquisitional Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.09.11 15:07:00 - [126]
 

^^^ Thats me. Stupid alt post...

Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
Posted - 2008.09.11 15:50:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Liberator 1
Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10
There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:

1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
.
.
345. Go back to the moon.
.
.
.
567. Go to Mars.
.
.
894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'

We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.


Go hug a tree, stop paying for EVE and your internet connection, move to a third world country, give them all your money and help them out yourself. Until you do that, why should anyone sit here and listen to you spew the fact that you have zero (0) understanding of science, scientific research, or it's applications?

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.09.11 17:59:00 - [128]
 

You know, someone probably said the same thing about studying microwave radiation, but nowadays no one questions whether microwave ovens were worth the money spent researching the physics they utilize.

What if the LHC's research, ten years from now, leads to a revolutionary technology that allows us to produce food much cheaper? Or control the weather? Or neutralize explosives across a huge area of land? Radar started out the same way, you know.

Just because you don't know the immediate benefits of something doesn't mean it won't lead to huge benefits down the road.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.09.11 19:13:00 - [129]
 

I will sell my soul for a machine in my kitchen that can brew a pot of coffee in 5 seconds!

slip66
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.09.11 19:51:00 - [130]
 

If we concentrated on only helping the starving people of the world they we would still be stuck with 1920s tech.

Going to the moon was pointless cause we did it just to beat the Russians.... but ALL of that really great stuff you take for granted every single day came from all the R&D needed to get to the moon.

We might not see anything come of this in the short term but in the long term if will help science.

Lord Migit
Posted - 2008.09.11 20:12:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Lord Migit on 11/09/2008 20:12:23
The LHC got me and the rest of the UK and most of europe better internet so eve is more playable so we all benafit, and this is the best bit, FOR FREE! :D

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2008.09.12 06:01:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: kor anon
.. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3


Indeed. Look what kind of boost in science and other areas did WW1 and WW2 bring not to mention work and space for those who will survice WW3.

And I'm pretty sure that nuclear weapons aren't gonna be widely used because whats the point of concuring land if you gonna nuke it before and then get barren wasteland to .. rule? Laughing

Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.09.12 10:20:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: slip66
If we concentrated on only helping the starving people of the world they we would still be stuck with 1920s tech.


What a lot of tosh.

Liberator 1
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.09.12 10:22:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Dionisius
Quote:


Conclusion, consider yourselves lucky and blessed you can post on some internet spaceships forums and have a roof over your heads, food on your table and can walk the streets without having a soldier or a fighter waving a machine gun next to your heads.




Damn straight.

Liberator 1
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.09.12 10:27:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Glassback
Super Collider?! I just met her.


Yeah, look how large her hadrons are !

Iva Biggun
Posted - 2008.09.12 11:59:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Liberator 1
Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10
There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:

1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
.
.
345. Go back to the moon.
.
.
.
567. Go to Mars.
.
.
894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'

We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.


Go hug a tree, stop paying for EVE and your internet connection, move to a third world country, give them all your money and help them out yourself. Until you do that, why should anyone sit here and listen to you spew the fact that you have zero (0) understanding of science, scientific research, or it's applications?



/thread

Rosa Rosette
Posted - 2008.09.12 12:26:00 - [137]
 

for those who like to waste money check this:

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

cool webcam of the LHC!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.09.12 12:29:00 - [138]
 

Lelouch vi Britannia commands you, fire the Large Hadron Cannon now !
Laughing

CynoCyno1
Posted - 2008.09.12 15:21:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: slip66
If we concentrated on only helping the starving people of the world they we would still be stuck with 1920s tech.

Going to the moon was pointless cause we did it just to beat the Russians.... but ALL of that really great stuff you take for granted every single day came from all the R&D needed to get to the moon.

We might not see anything come of this in the short term but in the long term if will help science.



You do realise we have never been to the moon yes?

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.09.12 15:23:00 - [140]
 

Shining One, is that you?

EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.09.12 15:37:00 - [141]
 

Well here's my thoughts..

if the LHC can shed light into Mass and also show us a promising energy force that is clean and thus we can implement and lower greenhouse emissions we can then focus on feeding the hungry, work on the diseases, get water to the people.

Yoshimako
Posted - 2008.09.12 16:18:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Liberator 1
Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10
There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:

1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
.
.
345. Go back to the moon.
.
.
.
567. Go to Mars.
.
.
894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'

We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.


TBH, if these people stop ****ting in their own drinking water and try moving nearer to the water sources (aww 10 mile round trip) that would sort number 1.

Why help people that cant help themselves with the simplest things?

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2008.09.12 16:21:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Liberator 1
Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10
There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:

1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
.
.
345. Go back to the moon.
.
.
.
567. Go to Mars.
.
.
894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'

We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.


I love people like this. If they dont understand how something works they think its a waste of time and money and then use some tired warcry like "we should use the money to feed the starving masses", pathetic. How many people say the same thing about the space programs and yet without them we wouldnt have any of the everyday items OR EVEN THE COMPUTER YOUR USING TO COMPLAIN ON. You dont know what the super collider will be able to give us 5, 10, 15 years from now but because of your short sightedness you would perfer it that any advantage gained from the collider remain undiscovered.

Feilamya
Pain Elemental
Posted - 2008.09.12 16:48:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Liberator 1
Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10
stuff


At least it will save us from viagra spam for the next couple of years, as they will need tons of the stuff at CERN

Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
Posted - 2008.09.12 16:54:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Liberator 1
And transistors was 1925.

My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.


You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves without the meddling of other nations. Before this massive African aid effort African was better off. It produced surpluses of food for example. After the aid effort, more corrupt governments were installed, and currently only 1 African nation has a food surplus.

So the solutions to these problems are exactly the opposite of what you're talking about. You don't fix Africa by hiring babysitters, you fix Africa by letting them grow up at their own pace without creating a beggar mentality in its people.

Silly spending like the LHC leads to silly scientists having jobs. It leads to silly discoveries like how the world functions. Newton discovered something silly about the world as well, something about forces and how they behave in the natural world. But that didn't lead to anything either did it?

As far as space exploration is concerned it's more a priority than you think. Unlike some people starving in the world that wouldn't lead to global extinction. A Big asteroid, or our Poles Shifting would.

But anyway we don't live in a unitasking world. There's no list that says we can't do item 1002, before we handle item 1, not that I agreed with your concept.

Feilamya
Pain Elemental
Posted - 2008.09.12 17:21:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Rialtor
You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves

If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.

That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.

Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
Posted - 2008.09.12 17:33:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Rialtor on 12/09/2008 17:41:30
Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Rialtor
You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves

If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.

That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.



That post went right over my head. I don't get your response. I realize those are valid english sentences but I'm not getting any meaning out of it.

Why are we doomed if Africa fixes itself? Are you saying that we want Africa to be doomed so we throw money at it. So the intent of the money is to doom africa?

I'm missing something something in your logic.

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2008.09.12 17:39:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Rialtor
You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves

If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.

That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.


then good thing we have the ability to carpet bomb them in such a way that they wont even see it as the bombs are droping..........hey i think i just found a solution to the starving people in africa Very Happy

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2008.09.12 17:44:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Liberator 1
*Shakes fist at crazy people!

In the battle of good causes if its LHC vs Feeding the Starving, Feeding the Starving wins !

Geddit ?




There are many reasons why the starved remain starved, while huge quantities of food are thrown away in the more advanced countries.

It has nothing to do with humanitarian feelings or mindset. It has to do with money. Sorry to burst your bubble that claims that humans are humane.

kor anon
Amarr
FISKL GUARDS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.09.12 18:11:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Rialtor
You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves

If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.

That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.


then good thing we have the ability to carpet bomb them in such a way that they wont even see it as the bombs are droping..........hey i think i just found a solution to the starving people in africa Very Happy


hehe, the strange thing is that killing people can solve everything. And since we are so good at it its a wonder we have some many problems today


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