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Major Aglaea
Posted - 2008.09.01 20:25:00 - [1]
 

is it possible to make salvaging someone elses wreaks illigel? it needs to be, its getting rediculous in penirgman with this "suddenly ninjas" corp. they make more off my salvage than they do the loot. something needs to be done, at least make it to where we are able to shoot back. Evil or Very Mad

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.09.01 22:07:00 - [2]
 

If you could shoot back, you'll most probably kill some worthless ships, and a couple of minutes later YOU will be dead, killed by the very same persons in decent combat ships this time, and your pimped missionmobile will end up looted and salvaged.

Don't like the fact they salvage "your" wrecks ?
* salvage them before they do it - this would be the best way to go
* warp out of the mission and back again, let them have to warp out because the NPCs target them
* switch to another solar system / agent
* any other things that might annoy them as much as they annoy you

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.09.01 22:18:00 - [3]
 

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I always say!

Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
Posted - 2008.09.01 22:27:00 - [4]
 

I support flagging mission salvagers!

Caveat: I've been training probing skills recently YARRRR!!

Major Aglaea
Posted - 2008.09.01 22:32:00 - [5]
 

first of all its impossible to beat them to it when they warp in when you're in the middle of the mission and all your attention is on shooting rats, second of all if we were given the ability to shoot back the same way we can if they were to loot the wreaks we would at least have some chance to salvage before they took off with everything. players would be a little more detered from trying to salvage rather than to have an open door and be able to just get away scott free, if they persist after that more to them i guess. At least give the players who are trying to be on the "good side" a chance to salvage there own stuff. At least make it illigal in 0.5 and higher.

Jakooni
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2008.09.01 23:13:00 - [6]
 

Please go play an "easier" game that actually restricts players... I hear that WoW is quite friendly to your playstyle.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.09.02 00:42:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 02/09/2008 00:42:41
Originally by: Major Aglaea
first of all its impossible to beat them to it when they warp in when you're in the middle of the mission and all your attention is on shooting rats

That's what Marauders are for.
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second of all if we were given the ability to shoot back the same way we can if they were to loot the wreaks we would at least have some chance to salvage before they took off with everything.

You would only have the chance of NOT getting people who are after your loot/salvage, but people that are after your ship instead.
You have plenty of options if salvage "thieves" bother you.


You might as well be angry at people that mine your mission rocks, or worse, people that mine the same asteroid you just locked in a belt. You'd call that ridiculous, but somehow they salvaging the wrecks you LEFT there is a "crime" ?
NOT doing the looting/salvaging while you run the mission is your CHOICE.
If you don't like it that they salvage, salvage first.

Fredrick Engelberg
Posted - 2008.09.02 03:26:00 - [8]
 

You know, I read about this problem, but I've only ever actually had somebody warp into a mission I was running once.

I was mining a mission spawn. They were a newbie experimenting with scan probes. They apologized and left.

I've never had somebody salvage my loot.

Must be a side effect of living in a low-population area.

Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
Posted - 2008.09.02 03:31:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Fredrick Engelberg
You know, I read about this problem, but I've only ever actually had somebody warp into a mission I was running once.

I was mining a mission spawn. They were a newbie experimenting with scan probes. They apologized and left.

I've never had somebody salvage my loot.

Must be a side effect of living in a low-population area.


If you aren't personally being hunted for some reason, you will almost never see ninja salvagers outside of major mission hubs...

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2008.09.02 06:34:00 - [10]
 

Love it when they cry about losing something they never owned.

True solution: Stop being possesive Very Happy

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.09.02 07:53:00 - [11]
 

Salvage belongs to no-one. CCP have said it for years, it's a valid statement to make, and frankly if you're getting bothered by thieves so much, you're running missions in the wrong place/time or taking too long about it.

Changing the aggro rules so that they steal from you is just asking for bored so-called PvPers to go around stealing salvage for the excuse of blowing you out of the sky. It's what miners got when they moved to jetcan mining, so why should changing salvage promote anything different?

If you insist on getting ahead of the thieves without changing your patterns, get a second account, and dual-box, salvage the first room whilst you're doing the second etc. However personally I've found it's a lot simpler just to go for a slightly lower quality agent somewhere quieter.

Originally by: Akita T
That's what Marauders are for.

I did have to laugh when I read this, so forgive me if I reply a little tongue-in-cheek. Sure, it's ok, every mission runner in EVE is safe from salvage thieves because Akita T says so, because Marauders are available! Razz Lets conveniently ignore that the training time and cost of Marauders are such that they aren't for the majority of newer players. If someone can afford to fly and replace a Marauder, they don't need to care about the odd bit of salvage stolen.

DrDooma
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:04:00 - [12]
 

I totally agree.

I also wont people to stay away from my wrecks 5KM away at all times and 10km if they are worth salvaging. 15km if they also have good loot in them or its its Sunday.

After all, what good is safe space if my salvage is in danger of every passer by?

Major,

The only reason that i am posting with sarcasm is to make a point: eve is a fantastic game where anything goes. If you dont like what someone does; shoot them.



Krollin
Minmatar
Bi'Atch Inc
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:17:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Akita T
If you could shoot back, you'll most probably kill some worthless ships, and a couple of minutes later YOU will be dead, killed by the very same persons in decent combat ships this time, and your pimped missionmobile will end up looted and salvaged.

Don't like the fact they salvage "your" wrecks ?
* salvage them before they do it - this would be the best way to go
* warp out of the mission and back again, let them have to warp out because the NPCs target them
* switch to another solar system / agent
* any other things that might annoy them as much as they annoy you



In addition to this blow up your own wrecks, just before they get in range works well - they may leave, but either way they wont get the loot, albeit neither will you.

Of course there is nothing stopping you warping out and getting a small frig or cruier to blow them up in.....or simply fit your ship for PVP, there shouldn't be such a thing as PVE fittings!

Kro


Tierie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.09.02 12:48:00 - [14]
 

I use two accounts (admittedly I use four accounts, but..)

Two accounts, one to do the mission and one that follows up and salvages. Whenever a ninja arrives, i'm always one pocket ahead and finishing off.

Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
Posted - 2008.09.02 13:27:00 - [15]
 

CCP has stated that salvage belongs to the salvager, not the person who blew up the ship.

Albaluna74
Posted - 2008.09.02 13:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Salvage belongs to no-one. CCP have said it for years, it's a valid statement to make, and frankly if you're getting bothered by thieves so much, you're running missions in the wrong place/time or taking too long about it.



wreck belongs to no-one? Not really sure, if is true why I cant use tractor beam on every wreck? Why I cant blow up wrecks that aren’t flagged ‘mines’ in high sec without concord reaction?

CCP needs to force ppl to move away from lvl4 hubs. Ninja salvaging is a CCP trick to achieve this goal.

At least this is my opinion, I cant believe that CCP designs game rules in such poor way without a target.




Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
Posted - 2008.09.02 13:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Albaluna74
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Salvage belongs to no-one. CCP have said it for years, it's a valid statement to make, and frankly if you're getting bothered by thieves so much, you're running missions in the wrong place/time or taking too long about it.



wreck belongs to no-one? Not really sure, if is true why I cant use tractor beam on every wreck? Why I cant blow up wrecks that aren’t flagged ‘mines’ in high sec without concord reaction?

CCP needs to force ppl to move away from lvl4 hubs. Ninja salvaging is a CCP trick to achieve this goal.

At least this is my opinion, I cant believe that CCP designs game rules in such poor way without a target.






The Wreck belong to you. The salvage that can be extracted from the wreck by a Salvager belongs to whoever performs that action.

Albaluna74
Posted - 2008.09.02 14:29:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Zirconium Blade
Originally by: Albaluna74
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Salvage belongs to no-one. CCP have said it for years, it's a valid statement to make, and frankly if you're getting bothered by thieves so much, you're running missions in the wrong place/time or taking too long about it.



wreck belongs to no-one? Not really sure, if is true why I cant use tractor beam on every wreck? Why I cant blow up wrecks that aren’t flagged ‘mines’ in high sec without concord reaction?

CCP needs to force ppl to move away from lvl4 hubs. Ninja salvaging is a CCP trick to achieve this goal.

At least this is my opinion, I cant believe that CCP designs game rules in such poor way without a target.






The Wreck belong to you. The salvage that can be extracted from the wreck by a Salvager belongs to whoever performs that action.


this rule is a pure non-sense:
you can destroy wreck, but only with salvager, if u destroy it with ammo you'll be gank by concord, unless the wrecks belong to u.

as I wrote this is a CCP trick to have less ppl into lvl4 hubs.

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2008.09.02 16:58:00 - [19]
 

Frankly you are lucky that they get flaagged for looting.

Wrecks are nothing but space junk and should be treated as such. THey should be fair game, first come first served; everyone should be able to tractor, loot, salvage or blow them up at their own volition.

Somealt Ofmine
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Major Aglaea
is it possible to make salvaging someone elses wreaks illigel? it needs to be, its getting rediculous in penirgman with this "suddenly ninjas" corp. they make more off my salvage than they do the loot. something needs to be done, at least make it to where we are able to shoot back. Evil or Very Mad



Working as intended.

Salvage was always intended to be in the public domain. The wrecks you make aren't "yours". They're just junk in space. Salvaging was intended to be a mini-profession all its own. It was never intended that people would "own" the wrecks they make.

At www.eve-search.com there's a nifty search function that you can use to discover that someone posts what you just posted about twice a week, and the answer is always the same.

Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:58:00 - [21]
 

LMAO

Ninja salvagers arent a problem at all. Life is tough, deal with it.

Now, what IS a problem is when people steal the items required to complete a mission. That one is what needs to be fixed. Doesnt happen to often, but I'd say that ones the broken game mechanic.

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:44:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Trellish
LMAO

Ninja salvagers arent a problem at all. Life is tough, deal with it.

Now, what IS a problem is when people steal the items required to complete a mission. That one is what needs to be fixed. Doesnt happen to often, but I'd say that ones the broken game mechanic.


No, it's not broken, they beat you too the item. I would consider trying to buy it from them if it's vital that you complete the mission.

Just as I ransom ships when we lock them down, they can ransom your lootz.

Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.09.02 20:46:00 - [23]
 

Nice alt Evil or Very Mad

GM Faolchu :
Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.

Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com

Now, to pick apart your grammar and spelling:

elses -> else's
illigel -> illegal
it -> It
be, its -> be; It's
they -> They
something -> Something
done, at -> done; At

Commander Kaj
Posted - 2008.09.06 05:31:00 - [24]
 

just moving to the top for more attention to the subject.

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2008.09.06 05:36:00 - [25]
 

Please stop spamming the salvage topics.

One is enough

Commander Kaj
Posted - 2008.09.06 05:47:00 - [26]
 

it might be for you because you are a salvage stealer. Of course you don't want this in peoples faces. ever heard the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease?" Guess what I am going to squeak loud and often until something is done. Get used to it.

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2008.09.06 06:23:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Xindi Kraid on 06/09/2008 08:04:20
I don't steal salvage. I usually offer my services to corp mates and other missioners since it is alot easier than probing them out and they sometimes give you some of the loot too.

As such I am a neautral party.
As a neutral party I am telling you to quit your *****ing.


Ninja salvgaers are just as much a opart of Eve as pirates and ore thieves

Commander Kaj
Posted - 2008.09.06 14:49:00 - [28]
 

and they are the same quality of player as pirates and ore thieves. They are a negative aspect of playing the game with the current regulations on what they can do with no repercussions. Changes must be made.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.09.06 16:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Commander Kaj
and they are the same quality of player as pirates and ore thieves. They are a negative aspect of playing the game with the current regulations on what they can do with no repercussions. Changes must be made.



not a negative aspect if they are using in-game mecahnics to make money the way THEY want to, just like you

there is a way to prevent them from doing this, and it has been stated:

go to low sec so you can murder them if they come near you

move to another agent and hope for the best

bring along a friend while your primaried to salvage the mission for you as you go along, use tractor beams, THATS an advantage that pirates cant use

and as far as i konw, you cant go 3500m/sec (the velocity of tractor beams iirc) with only an afterburner


war dec them (if possible, although the probelm you stated in another thread doees need to be fixed)

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.09.06 16:57:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
and as far as i konw, you cant go 3500m/sec (the velocity of tractor beams iirc) with only an afterburner

Tractorbeams only pull at 500m/s. I have a Vigil that can pull almost 2km/s with an afterburner, and I don't even have Minni Frigate V.


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