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Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.27 23:40:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 28/08/2008 16:32:49
There is so much controversy out there regarding T2 BPO’s so I wanted to get some sort of feedback as to how many BPO’s CCP actually released. Were there a certain number of each randomly issued out, if so how many of each type?

God knows how many have been destroyed, lost due to players leaving EvE or just simply trashed by mistake. A comparison to then and now would be interesting to see.

Has CCP considered running a quarry on the d-base to see how many are still in existence and post the findings for public knowledge? Maybe this will result in a new lottery that will allow a second go round for the current EvE community.

Just some thoughts… Don’t FLAME me.

El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
Meltdown Luftfahrttechnik
Posted - 2008.08.27 23:43:00 - [2]
 

I think I read something about 8 per ship, 16 per module and 64 per ammo once in the s&i forum. Probably wrong though.

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.27 23:50:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Matalino on 27/08/2008 23:49:53
The controversy is over the fact that some people have something that nobody else can get except by trading with those who have one.

That something actually has a use and is therefore valuable.

The some of the have-not's want to nerf those that have.

Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.27 23:54:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 27/08/2008 23:56:21
Originally by: Matalino
Edited by: Matalino on 27/08/2008 23:49:53
The controversy is over the fact that some people have something that nobody else can get except by trading with those who have one.

That something actually has a use and is therefore valuable.

The some of the have-not's want to nerf those that have.


There is a word for that.... ENVY!
I would be interested in seeing the statistics that CCP can produce on these BPO's though. I think many people would be surprised in how many are out there and if it is possible to see the usage of them would be good data as well.


Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.08.28 00:21:00 - [5]
 

I thought it was 32 for ammos.

Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.28 00:29:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 28/08/2008 00:29:34
CCP,

Can you elaborate on this?
How many T2 BPO's were distributed?
Can you provide a breakdown of how many of each type as well.

This should be data that is easily accessible so hopefully the right person will read this post and provide some insight to T2 BPO's.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.08.28 01:00:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 28/08/2008 01:01:01
i wonder what would happen if all those t2bpo's wer to cough**be destroyed***cough,**cough** dissapear?Laughing

mineforman
Posted - 2008.08.28 01:27:00 - [8]
 

CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!Wink

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2008.08.28 03:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
I think I read something about 8 per ship, 16 per module and 64 per ammo once in the s&i forum. Probably wrong though.


It was originally at least 8 per ship, but they were at least doubled before the lottery ended.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.08.28 03:59:00 - [10]
 

I don't think they want anyone to know how many are around and still in use, as T2 BPO Cartels then know how many they still have to buy/steal/destroy to be able to re-establish some price fixing.

Sure, it won't be as bad as before invention, but it'll still mean price rises.

Tiirae
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.08.28 04:07:00 - [11]
 

Some people don't seem to have got the memo yet... T2 BPO owners cannot produce at enough volume to have *ANY* effect on the price of T2 components. Understand? The number of T2 BPC's producing stuff every day absolutely DWARFS the amount of goods a T2 BPO can produce.

Even if one person owned every T2 BPO in the game, it wouldn't make a single ISK of difference to the price of anything.

Blasko Fiasco
Posted - 2008.08.28 04:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
I don't think they want anyone to know how many are around and still in use, as T2 BPO Cartels then know how many they still have to buy/steal/destroy to be able to re-establish some price fixing.

Sure, it won't be as bad as before invention, but it'll still mean price rises.


Price fixing? T2 bpo's do not have the market impact any longer. Some items are produced at or under cost. Yes there is still profit but the multitudes can take a shot through invention.

Removing those bpos will not move prices.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.08.28 04:29:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 28/08/2008 04:29:30
But manufacturing from the BPO is still cheaper than negative ME BPCs, right?

edit: Why else would someone still be willing to spend 40bn on an EANM2 BPO?

Grim Mercy
Heretic Logistics
Heretic Nation
Posted - 2008.08.28 04:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tiirae
Some people don't seem to have got the memo yet... T2 BPO owners cannot produce at enough volume to have *ANY* effect on the price of T2 components. Understand? The number of T2 BPC's producing stuff every day absolutely DWARFS the amount of goods a T2 BPO can produce.

Even if one person owned every T2 BPO in the game, it wouldn't make a single ISK of difference to the price of anything.


No, they can't fix the price... but they'd make an absolute killing if they had every single T2 BPO in the game... hell, if they had every single T2 BPO for just one thing.

Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2008.08.28 04:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: mineforman
CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!Wink
Some say the approximate percent is 62-67% of BPOs. BoB did it smart though, can't really complain about them using thought out tactics to build an empire.

Catherine Frasier
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tiirae
Some people don't seem to have got the memo yet... T2 BPO owners cannot produce at enough volume to have *ANY* effect on the price of T2 components. Understand? The number of T2 BPC's producing stuff every day absolutely DWARFS the amount of goods a T2 BPO can produce.
If you know how much volume they can produce then clearly you must know how many BPOs are out there. (That was the question which prompted this thread, remember?) So share. How many BPOs are there?

Originally by: Tiirae
Even if one person owned every T2 BPO in the game, it wouldn't make a single ISK of difference to the price of anything.
Unless, of course, they're in my market selling for below my (but not their) cost. After all, they aren't paying for datacores, decryptors, base items etc., they aren't watching a very real percentage of their attempts generate nothing at all, and they can research to perfect ME on their BP, while I'm stuck with what I can get. So no matter how thin a margin I cut, they can always undercut me.

Even if it doesn't ruin the system (and it doesn't) it still seems quite significant to me.

Aramova
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:12:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: mineforman
CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!Wink


Lies!! Shocked

Darkwolf
Caldari
TOG Empire
Combat Mining and Logistics
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:18:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Unless, of course, they're in my market selling for below my (but not their) cost.


Then you buy their goods, mark them up to your price, and keep on your merry way.

They cannot produce in high enough volumes to outcompete the mass of inventors.

Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:41:00 - [19]
 

I think people are missing the point to this thread.

It is a thread to find out how many T2 BPO's were release and to see if CCP would do an audit on the current usage and inventory of them.

It doesn't matter if BoB or your mom got them all.

Keep the finger pointing out of my thread and start your own.

Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:43:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: mineforman
CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!

Some say the approximate percent is 62-67% of BPOs. BoB did it smart though, can't really complain about them using thought out tactics to build an empire.


There are 20,000 Tech II bpos in the game.

If people considered the rediculous Anti-BoB propaganda they would need 1,000 Pilots running 12,400-13,400 Factorys for their 62-67% 'Monopoly'. Sounds very pluasableRolling Eyes

Even as a member of NAGA I never saw close to 1% of T2 BPOS.

I think the Lottery Disributted the T2 BPO's well amongst the Thousands of corps and Industrialists playing.

Its a pity we have to wait once a year to ask the devs (at Fanfest Q&A) about the future of T2 BPO's curently IngameSad, but i look foraward to hearing their respose again this year.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:47:00 - [21]
 

How many were generated isn't the real question.

The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.

They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.

Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
How many were generated isn't the real question.

The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.

They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.


You should read from the top and you would see this was the original questions along with others.

Sam Ryder
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:52:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Sam Ryder on 28/08/2008 05:58:15
Originally by: El'Niaga
How many were generated isn't the real question.

The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.

They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.



No then do something else you dumb ****!
CCPs goal isnt to make everyone a happy inventor as far as i know. The invention where brought in to compete with t2 bpos.
The day you invest as much isk in invention as most invest in t2 bpos it might be viable to run a invention business. You could have 50 accounts skilled as inventors compeating with a guy who spendt 40 billion isk on a damnation bpo and pay less then him. Im fairly sure the scale would tip in youre direction.

The reason you thin invention suck is because you want to compete with someone who invested 40 times more then you.


Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2008.08.28 05:57:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: mineforman
CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!

Some say the approximate percent is 62-67% of BPOs. BoB did it smart though, can't really complain about them using thought out tactics to build an empire.


There are 20,000 Tech II bpos in the game.

If people considered the rediculous Anti-BoB propaganda they would need 1,000 Pilots running 12,400-13,400 Factorys for their 62-67% 'Monopoly'. Sounds very pluasableRolling Eyes

Even as a member of NAGA I never saw close to 1% of T2 BPOS.

I think the Lottery Disributted the T2 BPO's well amongst the Thousands of corps and Industrialists playing.

Its a pity we have to wait once a year to ask the devs (at Fanfest Q&A) about the future of T2 BPO's curently IngameSad, but i look foraward to hearing their respose again this year.

Wasn't it policy of BoB way back when though that if you were a member you had to have a research alt running so that you had a better chance of getting a BPO? My history might be a little fuzzy on this but I think that it did actually happen.

Rimsa Orion
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.28 06:00:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 28/08/2008 06:00:35

Wasn't it policy of BoB way back when though that if you were a member you had to have a research alt running so that you had a better chance of getting a BPO? My history might be a little fuzzy on this but I think that it did actually happen.


And this is relevent why?
All aside.. smart move on BoB's part but this is not about Bob.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.28 06:02:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 28/08/2008 04:29:30
But manufacturing from the BPO is still cheaper than negative ME BPCs, right?

edit: Why else would someone still be willing to spend 40bn on an EANM2 BPO?


Dunno, why would someone spend 80 billion on a state raven?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.28 06:03:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
How many were generated isn't the real question.

The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.

They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.



Yeah, no-one makes any money in invention, right? Rolling Eyes

Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
Posted - 2008.08.28 06:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Schalac
Wasn't it policy of BoB way back when though that if you were a member you had to have a research alt running so that you had a better chance of getting a BPO? My history might be a little fuzzy on this but I think that it did actually happen.


I'd assume so, but I'm sure hundreds of other corps would have the same type of policy, even now for Datacores, its how Co-op in a multiplayer game benifits a Corp over an individual.

Sam Ryder
Posted - 2008.08.28 06:04:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Nadarius Chrome
Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 28/08/2008 04:29:30
But manufacturing from the BPO is still cheaper than negative ME BPCs, right?

edit: Why else would someone still be willing to spend 40bn on an EANM2 BPO?


Dunno, why would someone spend 80 billion on a state raven?


because they can afford it, and they love seeing emo kids crying whining and quitting because they cant have it.

Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2008.08.28 06:22:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Rimsa Orion
Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 28/08/2008 06:00:35

Wasn't it policy of BoB way back when though that if you were a member you had to have a research alt running so that you had a better chance of getting a BPO? My history might be a little fuzzy on this but I think that it did actually happen.


And this is relevent why?
All aside.. smart move on BoB's part but this is not about Bob.

It's not. Was a little off topic there but all in all this is a T2 BPO conversation and I was just replying to another post.


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