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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2008.08.26 22:47:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Gojyu on 26/08/2008 22:51:07
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Err - complicated? Are we talking about typical everyday use?

How is that complicated with a distro like Ubuntu?

Please don't tell me you think people still have to compile their software, built their own kernels and manually configure config files - that's mostly a thing of the past (unless you choose to do so).


The main hurdle to use, I found, is the command line. Your average person who doesn't know how to install a firewall and antivirus in windows is going to be unable or unwilling to learn how to use it. Hell, even I found it a headache. Also, I don't know whether there's been a breakthrough in the, say, month since I uninstalled ubuntu, but I was often having to manually configure my config files. Hell, it took me 2 months to get 5.1 sound working


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It depends. I think a lot of kids run Linux these days. Its not complicated to them. Kids learn quickly and dont have the mental blocks we do. Also they want to customize everything from mobile phones to operating systems. When I was like 14 (this was before the World Wide Web was available to people) I ran my own Bulletin Board System and wrote Araxx programs for the users. I didnt realize it was supposed to be difficult and it wasnt. :)

With time, the new generation will feel at home with Linux, but it takes time. Linux cant do anything Windows cant do, but just the fact that it can do it all except games while being free is pretty good.

That's sort of the problem in itself. Linux is kind of like a dvorak keyboard. It could be a lot faster if everyone learnt it, but the thing is, people are trained on windows because it's the accepted standard. It's the accepted standard because everyone is trained on it, linux is starting to make inroads, but it's going to take a lot before kids are starting to be trained on linux rather than windows, and thus, linux is going to be "that other operating system" for a long time

Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 26/08/2008 19:54:55
Originally by: Gojyu
Linux would be most suitable for a casual computer user, or someone new to pc's. However, it's so complicated that a new user isn't going to be able to use it, and it's not able to run games, and doesn't do anything windows can't with the proper knowledge, which makes it hard to sell to experienced users

1) You don't know **** about linux, and all you do is spread FUD.
2) Believe it or not, the average user does NOT run games.
3) Linux is free, no need to sell it.


1. Of course, someone who doesn't agree with the common linux consensus. I obviously have no idea about the program to have such a critical view
2. No, but I'd suggest most of linux's targeted demographic does
3. I was using a turn of phrase, sell, as in "sell someone on an idea", convince them of the superiority of linux

Sothis Antares
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
Posted - 2008.08.27 00:17:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Sothis Antares on 27/08/2008 00:18:55
Originally by: Gojyu

and it's not able to run games


just a side note. linux is able to run games. the studios just don't develop games for linux, because they are all retarded directx fanboys with dollar signs in their eyes. that's a slight difference Wink

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.08.27 00:52:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: annoing on 27/08/2008 01:56:03
Originally by: Sothis Antares
Edited by: Sothis Antares on 27/08/2008 00:18:55
Originally by: Gojyu

and it's not able to run games


just a side note. linux is able to run games. the studios just don't develop games for linux, because they are all retarded directx fanboys with dollar signs in their eyes. that's a slight difference Wink


I installed Ubuntu Hardy Heron in the early hours of Tuesday morning. I have NO computer knowlwdge outside of MS and no command line knowledge of any type. I even had to ask on the Ubuntu forums on how to get flash working on Ubuntu via Synaptic ... not using Terminal cos that just plain scares me.
Since Tuesday morning I have installed Wine and VirtualBox. I know that Wine SHOULD be able to run my XP pc games but I liked the idea of installing XP into VirtualBox which is in my Ubuntu OS which is, in turn, installed onto my XP pc (via WUBI). So in effect, 3 os's runing on one pc Rolling Eyes. It meant lots and lots of moving files from one destination to another but it all worked after only a couple of hours.
If I can use Ubuntu ANYONE can run it.

Ive now un-installed UBuntu on this machine, transferring it to my spare pc (which is currently XP) and i'll do the same there. Linux here I come !!


Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.08.27 17:15:00 - [34]
 


Seeing people try Ubuntu makes me happy. Smile

Ryysa
Mission Fail
Posted - 2008.08.27 17:44:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Ryysa on 27/08/2008 17:46:08
Originally by: Gojyu
The main hurdle to use, I found, is the command line.

The command line in linux is very powerful, however, with recent distributions, such as Ubuntu, you are free to never, ever use the command line if you like.
Just like you never normally have to regedit your registry in windows.

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Also, I don't know whether there's been a breakthrough in the, say, month since I uninstalled ubuntu, but I was often having to manually configure my config files. Hell, it took me 2 months to get 5.1 sound working

7.1 sound worked out of the box for me.

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1. Of course, someone who doesn't agree with the common linux consensus. I obviously have no idea about the program to have such a critical view

Most of your views are ~ 8 years dated and invalid. Would you like me to talk about Windows 98 each time I refer to windows?
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2. No, but I'd suggest most of linux's targeted demographic does

No. Linux's targeted demographic are servers. Of which a huge amount easily runs on linux. Most games have linux servers for a reason.
Linux also targets thin clients and ultraportables like the eeepc. If you buy a netbook to play games, then you are messed up.
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I was using a turn of phrase, sell, as in "sell someone on an idea", convince them of the superiority of linux

But why?
Linux is free, they lose no money if you don't use it.
I don't know why people force other people to use something. I don't give a **** what you use. But I do care, if you spread FUD, so I show that what you say bears no resemblance to the real world scenario.

I will say again, run both. Get a VM in linux and run your windows programs on the VM.
If you use your computer mostly to kill time (play games), and not work, then what's the point of installing an OS that you KNOW will be worse for your primary activity?

Because you are so bored and have nothing to do other than reinstall operating systems on your computer?

Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2008.08.27 22:56:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Gojyu on 27/08/2008 23:00:19
Edited by: Gojyu on 27/08/2008 22:59:35
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Linux is free, they lose no money if you don't use it.

Here we are in agreement. I urge everyone to try linux, and form their own opinion.

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The command line in linux is very powerful, however, with recent distributions, such as Ubuntu, you are free to never, ever use the command line if you like.
Just like you never normally have to regedit your registry in windows.

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7.1 sound worked out of the box for me.

Well, we're at an impasse, I say I had to manually edit config files, spend 2 months getting 5.1 working and had to use the command line an uncomfortable amount of times, you say you don't. I think this just boils down to people trying it and reaching their own conclusions.

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Most of your views are ~ 8 years dated and invalid. Would you like me to talk about Windows 98 each time I refer to windows?

Well this confuses me. My views were directly formed by hands on experience with the operating system. And it sure as hell wasn't 8 years ago. Perhaps I accidently downloaded an 8 year old distro off of the ubuntu site? Laughing

So what I'm trying to say, basically, is to those guys who are thinking about making the move to linux. Linux is currently the "in" operating system around nerdly circles, but it's far from perfect, try it out, but if you don't like it, don't feel bad for binning it and going back to XP. Although the linux fans don't like to admit it, XP is a safe and secure (if you know what you're doing) operating system that, for me, is a far better OS solution than anything the linux world has to offer.




Terail Zoqial
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.27 23:12:00 - [37]
 

Actually got eve working on ubuntu, the newest release is a breeze to get working. Fortunately I have some knowledge remaining from last time.

Want to faff around and get more XP games working on it in the home one day I can say farewell to M$.

Are there drivers out for ATI cards yet?


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