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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2008.08.23 18:08:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 23/08/2008 18:34:14
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Following the continued loss of allied carriers, and discussion between Cyshade and appointed Cruoris Seraphim negotiator Jacob Etienne, MXD has re-evaluated and decided that a serious tactical miscalculation was made in declaring war on Naqam.

In return for the cessation of hostilities against MXD, Shi no Koneko, 11th Hour and F.E.A.R. Alliance, and the assurance that Exalted will not pursue the dissolution of Mixed Metaphor itself, Mixed Metaphor issues a public admittance of its severe tactical miscalculation. In addition, Exalted and MXD have agreed to a mutual moratorium on non-director communications in this thread, if only to save it from going the way of the last one.

Furthermore, Mixed Metaphor concedes that the NHB Ultra Happy Chip poses no serious danger of rendering the user a mindless zombie meatslave, but still expresses serious doubt as to its efficacy as a mood-altering product.

All in all this war has been a disaster, and though I don't care for myself, I'd rather this didn't affect the incomes of my own members or those of 11th Hour. That's all you're going to get me to say, so don't expect more.

Jacob Etienne
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.08.23 18:11:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Jacob Etienne on 23/08/2008 22:09:58
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Following the continued loss of allied carriers, and discussion between Cyshade and appointed Cruoris Seraphim negotiator Jacob Etienne, MXD has re-evaluated and decided that a serious tactical miscalculation was made in declaring war on Naqam.

In return for the cessation of hostilities against MXD, Shi no Koneko, 11th Hour and F.E.A.R. Alliance, and the assurance that Exalted will not pursue the dissolution of Mixed Metaphor itself, Mixed Metaphor issues a public admittance of its severe tactical miscalculation. In addition, Exalted and MXD have agreed to a mutual moratorium on non-director communications in this thread, if only to save it from going the way of the last one.

Furthermore, Mixed Metaphor concedes that the NHB Ultra Happy Chip poses no serious danger of rendering the user a mindless zombie meatslave, but still expresses serious doubt as to its efficacy as a mood-altering product.

All in all this war has been a disaster, and though I don't care for myself, I'd rather this didn't affect the incomes of my own members or those of 11th Hour. That's all you're going to get me to say, so don't expect more.


Andreus has redeemed himself in my eyes by coming to this decision. In short, I can honestly say that while I may not like him, or what he stands for, I now respect him, and his decision to seek the honorable solution to the conflict.

Kaianna Sela
SteelVipers
Posted - 2008.08.23 18:52:00 - [3]
 

Congratulations to Exalted on teaching Andreus some much needed humility.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.08.23 19:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kaianna Sela
Congratulations to Exalted on teaching Andreus some much needed humility.

Spot on.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.23 19:13:00 - [5]
 


The curious image of an empty high backed leather chair appears in Ethan's feed, roaring laughter apparent from off camera.


Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.08.23 19:45:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 23/08/2008 19:58:41
A live feed opens, showing the Achura standing in her office. She shakes her head a few times before speaking.

The agreement to the Ultra Happy Chip however is disappointing. I'd even be tempted to think of it as agreeing with Sansha practices. Don't forget, Andreus, that laying down arms and admitting defeat does not mean you should go embrace your opponent. There are other and better ways to make sure you don't suffer the same fate again. Being less loud and overconfident, for example.

As the feed closes off Myrhial chuckles gloatingly, amused by the Gallentean's public defeat.

Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
Posted - 2008.08.23 20:41:00 - [7]
 

Would you like some cream to go with your humble pie, Mr. Ixiris?

Kimochi smiles sweetly.

In all seriousness, this should serve as a warning to the rest of the cluster: Idle threats get you nowhere.

BloodBird
Nova Foundry
Posted - 2008.08.23 21:42:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Furthermore, Mixed Metaphor concedes that the NHB Ultra Happy Chip poses no serious danger of rendering the user a mindless zombie meatslave, but still expresses serious doubt as to its efficacy as a mood-altering product.


Useless WEAKLINGS! Never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT join a corporation, for whatever reason.

Ixiris, this war might have been ugly, and I know little about the actual losses aside from the mindless drivel and bragging of Exalted, but this... this SUCK-UP is despicable. You lost one battle, as far as I can tell, and proceeded to roll over and do nearly whatever they asked for, allowing what is practicaly another drug into the Federation.

You are a failure, and a pitifull one at that.

As for the Exalted. "He rolled over, so I respect him now.. somewhat" take your false pity and ego-boosting crap elsewhere.

Jacob Etienne
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.08.23 21:49:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: BloodBird
As for the Exalted. "He rolled over, so I respect him now.. somewhat" take your false pity and ego-boosting crap elsewhere.



I respect the man because he put personal preference aside, swallowed his pride, and chose an honorable way to resolve the conflict.

You, sir, have done nothing but muddy the waters with your unwelcome views.

cheesyhead
Minmatar
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2008.08.23 21:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: BloodBird
Useless WEAKLINGS! Never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT join a corporation, for whatever reason.

Ixiris, this war might have been ugly, and I know little about the actual losses aside from the mindless drivel and bragging of Exalted, but this... this SUCK-UP is despicable. You lost one battle, as far as I can tell, and proceeded to roll over and do nearly whatever they asked for, allowing what is practicaly another drug into the Federation.

You are a failure, and a pitifull one at that.

As for the Exalted. "He rolled over, so I respect him now.. somewhat" take your false pity and ego-boosting crap elsewhere.



I think I speak for most of us when I say, that we respect the fact that he put the wishes of his fellow corpmates and allies first. It takes more balls to stop this war than to go on blind, fueled by hate and revenge. Therefore I can say, well done Mr. Ixiris.

-cheesyhead

twomtNW
Posted - 2008.08.23 21:59:00 - [11]
 


The F.E.A.R. Alliance was asked to join into this war by an ally under the false pretence that MXD,
new to the Solitude region, was wrongly attacked and had requested support.
Being part of the Solitude coalition, whose aim is to defend the Solitude corporations from pirate attacks,
we responded with a war declaration on the Exalted alliance.

This war started on the 22nd of August 2008, 18:43 EVE-time.

A large fleet was formed to engage the enemies entering the systems later on that evening,
an engagement in which we not only lost many ships, but in which our eyes were opened.
The MXD pilot(s) involved in the battle were seen retreating in what we considered expendable ships as soon as the battles started,
abandoning embattled coalition capital ships to their fate.

The reasons for the war were not pirate attacks on an "innocent" corporation in Solitude.
Instead, the real reasons are clearly explained by Exalted in other threads in this forum.
Due to this false information, the recent wars the F.E.A.R. alliance have fought and the losses we have suffered,
we retracted the war declaration on the Exalted. alliance on the 23rd of August at 16:43 EVE-time.
We have apologised for our aggression against Sansha and Blood Raider forces and
agreed upon a non-aggression pact for the remainder of their wars within Solitude.

The F.E.A.R. alliance members will only engage Exalted. pilots when fired upon.
This will give the Exalted. alliance freedom to continue their war(s) within Solitude and
it will give the F.E.A.R. alliance freedom to pursue our own goals.

With regards,
twomtNW
F.E.A.R. alliance diplomat.

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.08.24 00:04:00 - [12]
 

*Scagga approves*

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.24 01:21:00 - [13]
 

Amusing. Cyshade knows how to put on a good party.

Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.08.24 01:24:00 - [14]
 

I'm glad it had a happy ending after all.

BloodBird
Nova Foundry
Posted - 2008.08.24 01:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: cheesyhead
Originally by: BloodBird
Useless WEAKLINGS! Never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT join a corporation, for whatever reason.

Ixiris, this war might have been ugly, and I know little about the actual losses aside from the mindless drivel and bragging of Exalted, but this... this SUCK-UP is despicable. You lost one battle, as far as I can tell, and proceeded to roll over and do nearly whatever they asked for, allowing what is practicaly another drug into the Federation.

You are a failure, and a pitifull one at that.

As for the Exalted. "He rolled over, so I respect him now.. somewhat" take your false pity and ego-boosting crap elsewhere.



I think I speak for most of us when I say, that we respect the fact that he put the wishes of his fellow corpmates and allies first. It takes more balls to stop this war than to go on blind, fueled by hate and revenge. Therefore I can say, well done Mr. Ixiris.

-cheesyhead


MXD declared war over the UHC sale that Naquam was doing in Federation space, and I agreed with MXD's actions becasue I did not want to see these products spread on the market in our areas of space.

Sadly Naquam then joined Exalted., and soon MXD was forced to involve their new allies. Now, claims are made that lies was made about the reasons and so on, but the facts remains, a war between two corporations soon turn into a war between a corporation and an alliance, and then a war between two alliances and a corporation against one alliance.

Odds are theoretically in MXD's favor. And then... then MXD blew it. Screwed up, in all manners of the meaning of that word, and two carriers and a bucketload of support was lost, while MXD are reportedly fleeing the field. Failure. Great failure.

At the end of the day, MXD surrenders the entire war based on one engagement, that I am aware of. NOT ONLY does he roll over and stop the war after a single battle, but he also completely stops the opposition of the UHC sale and/or production in Federation space, thus leaving the entire nation open to what is basicly a new drug sale, exept the fact the effects of these are quite... permanent.

Then Exalted. appears in public on this summit and gloat their head's off in glee, calling names and leaving sharp comments. Honestly they did kind of earn it, even though it discusts me.

The problems I see with this, is not only MXD's surrender, or their lying their allies up in their faces, but the fact they allowed this to happend after a single fight, and that their surrender was so... total. All is lost in one fatefull blow, they are not even going to try anymore?

Granted, they might not be able to, after their allies found out what was really going on and after MXD's really poor showing in battle.

Again: I am happy I did not join MXD, as I was considering doing so once. MXD had the chance to stop Exalted. and failed on their very first try. Didn't even try again. That, gentlemen, is weak.

---

Final note to Exalted: You tell me to declare war on you to win where MXD lost? You mock me, saying you would not hold your breath over the fact I will declare war or not? How... childish.

First of all, MXD and their allies comprised of two alliances and one corporation. Granted, numbers are not absolutely sure, but they did have enough to field at least two capitals and a full support fleet. They had two alliances and one corporation.

I am a member of one small corporation. I supported MXD in spirit because they had the means to do what I could not. Ofcourse I won't declare war on Exalted., I may be bordeline suicidal but I'm not an idiot. A handfull of pilots and no capitals agains... what?

Secondly, I find the argument "If you don't like it, stop it" to be absurd. Last I looked, GalNet was a free medium, I can voice my concerns and objections here freely.

If you don't like my oppinions, your free to ignore me, or... declare war. I can't stop you from doing either.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2008.08.24 03:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: BloodBird
Useless WEAKLINGS! Never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT join a corporation, for whatever reason.

Ixiris, this war might have been ugly, and I know little about the actual losses aside from the mindless drivel and bragging of Exalted, but this... this SUCK-UP is despicable. You lost one battle, as far as I can tell, and proceeded to roll over and do nearly whatever they asked for, allowing what is practicaly another drug into the Federation.

You are a failure, and a pitifull one at that.

As for the Exalted. "He rolled over, so I respect him now.. somewhat" take your false pity and ego-boosting crap elsewhere.


BloodBird, you're very correct. You're not a member of my corporation. And in fact, allow me to say this - never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT recruit someone into my corporation, for whatever reason.

You have no right to lecture me about doing what was neccessary to ensure the continued prosperity and survival of my corporation members. The war was lost, and support was not going to be forthcoming from F.E.A.R. or Akegata Consortium, and frankly I don't blame them. Take that issue up with them if you want - I'm sure with your infinetely superior interpersonal skills you'll convince them to snap back into action and wipe the floor with Exalted.

My corporation members place their trust in me to provide them with a functional, happy and prosperous working environment for them, and to continue in a bitter, destructive war with little hope of victory would be a rank betrayal of that trust. Think what you will of me, but I take care of my members, and I did what I had to for them - swallowing my pride, effacing myself on these forums, writing an apology and making a personally-backed statement about Naqam's products that I know could so very easily be abused in the future. You think it was an easy decision to make?

It took the loss of three allied carriers to make me realise my friends are more important than my pride or public image, so I sucked it up, choked it down and did what I had to for survival - for my own, for that of my corpmates and perhaps even that of my allies. Don't you dare make aspersions as to the strength of my character - don't you f**king dare. The gloating and insults from everyone else, I'll take them, because I've got no other choice. But not from you. No way. You want to insult me, to demean my choice?

You're so hot about this topic, how about you go ahead and do what I couldn't. Go and start your corporation. Accumulate your allies. Declare war on Exalted. I'm sure that my defeat had nothing to do with their skill as pilots and everything to do with my abject failure as a leader. Concern for the welfare of our corpmates be damned - let's go on a thoughtless ego trip! With your clearly superior intellect and tactical ability, I'm certain you'll wipe the floor with them. Look out, Exalted, Mixed Metaphor was a warmup round. Here comes BloodBirdCo!

You go get 'em, slugger. I'll be eagerly awaiting your triumphant announcement of Exalted's crushing, ignoble defeat. No, really, I will. Waiting with all of my teeth intact and at least a few hundred million ISK in my wallet.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2008.08.24 03:38:00 - [17]
 

Now this is unusual. I didn't expect to ever be defending Cruoris Seraphim AND Mixed Metaphor to you, BloodBird. But ... ah, well.

Pilot, there's a term for what Mixed Metaphor did: "Getting in over your head." In essence, Mr. Ixiris' beliefs got him and his cohorts into a spot where he hadn't a prayer of actual success. What was likely from the outset to be an uphill battle became an outright tumble, backwards, down a cliff when Naqam forged a formal alliance with Cyshade's people.

From the point at which MXD realized the impossibility of the situation, the real question was what to do about it; the initial reaction was, of course, a scramble to equalize the odds, but we can see how well that worked. Whether any actual lies were told or intentional misrepresentations made, I don't presume to know and won't presume to speculate.

It seems ... rather dreadfully easy, and also quite unkind of you, to sit back and tell MXD it should have fought harder when you were not yourself involved, pilot. Did you offer tactical services? Military advice? Training? War material? ... Anything other than your moral support, if that?

I know I didn't.

If MXD had been full of specialized combat pilots, it might have been fair to expect more, but at this point it looks very much as though you're saying, "Why didn't you DIE more?"

From all I know of Andreus, he's habitually a much more peaceful man than certain of his comments on GalNet might tend to indicate; I may be misinterpreting, but this looks very much like a pack of industrial pilots trying to face down a well-honed military blade.

So-- what choice was there, really? It was going to be humiliation one way or the other, and this way involves rather less pointless, one-sided slaughter-- and leaves MXD to train and, perhaps, fight another day.

As for Exalted., as far as I can see they've run a very effective, efficient, and probably (a little unhappily from my point of view, but that's really neither here nor there) recruitment-boosting campaign on all fronts: military, psychological, and PR.

They're Sani Sabik, or at least Sani Sabik led, pilot. They're doing what they do, and from their point of view if you can't back up your words with action, yet have the effrontery to speak them anyway, well ... that is weak. And begging to get stepped on.

At some point, someone is probably going to have to take them at their word and meet strength with strength, but that won't be today. So ... unless you do particularly want to demonstrate your own ability over Mr. Ixiris' ... you may wish to allow them their moment, and Mr. Ixiris his dignity.

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.08.24 03:54:00 - [18]
 

i love it when victorious corps / alliances make their defeated enemies publicly humiliate themselves, AND post it on the forums


soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2008.08.24 03:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jacob Etienne
Originally by: BloodBird
As for the Exalted. "He rolled over, so I respect him now.. somewhat" take your false pity and ego-boosting crap elsewhere.



I respect the man because he put personal preference aside, swallowed his pride, and chose an honorable way to resolve the conflict.

You, sir, have done nothing but muddy the waters with your unwelcome views.



i konw, lol, hilarious, im not sure i could bring myself to do that tbh

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2008.08.24 03:59:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris


BloodBird, you're very correct. You're not a member of my corporation. And in fact, allow me to say this - never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT recruit someone into my corporation, for whatever reason.

You have no right to lecture me about doing what was neccessary to ensure the continued prosperity and survival of my corporation members. The war was lost, and support was not going to be forthcoming from F.E.A.R. or Akegata Consortium, and frankly I don't blame them. Take that issue up with them if you want - I'm sure with your infinetely superior interpersonal skills you'll convince them to snap back into action and wipe the floor with Exalted.

My corporation members place their trust in me to provide them with a functional, happy and prosperous working environment for them, and to continue in a bitter, destructive war with little hope of victory would be a rank betrayal of that trust. Think what you will of me, but I take care of my members, and I did what I had to for them - swallowing my pride, effacing myself on these forums, writing an apology and making a personally-backed statement about Naqam's products that I know could so very easily be abused in the future. You think it was an easy decision to make?

It took the loss of three allied carriers to make me realise my friends are more important than my pride or public image, so I sucked it up, choked it down and did what I had to for survival - for my own, for that of my corpmates and perhaps even that of my allies. Don't you dare make aspersions as to the strength of my character - don't you f**king dare. The gloating and insults from everyone else, I'll take them, because I've got no other choice. But not from you. No way. You want to insult me, to demean my choice?

You're so hot about this topic, how about you go ahead and do what I couldn't. Go and start your corporation. Accumulate your allies. Declare war on Exalted. I'm sure that my defeat had nothing to do with their skill as pilots and everything to do with my abject failure as a leader. Concern for the welfare of our corpmates be damned - let's go on a thoughtless ego trip! With your clearly superior intellect and tactical ability, I'm certain you'll wipe the floor with them. Look out, Exalted, Mixed Metaphor was a warmup round. Here comes BloodBirdCo!

You go get 'em, slugger. I'll be eagerly awaiting your triumphant announcement of Exalted's crushing, ignoble defeat. No, really, I will. Waiting with all of my teeth intact and at least a few hundred million ISK in my wallet.


Wow. Andreus, I think I just may have...yep...there it is...gained a measure of respect for you. That WAS a hard decision, but, the right one. While I'm certainly on the side of Exalted in all this, your loyalty to your corporation members and brothers in battle is commendable. I salute you.

Oh, and congratulations, Exalted/Naqam. Well done. Please dec Bloodbird.

Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.08.24 06:40:00 - [21]
 

Never thought I'd see the day...

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.08.24 10:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris


BloodBird, you're very correct. You're not a member of my corporation. And in fact, allow me to say this - never before have I been more happy to know I did NOT recruit someone into my corporation, for whatever reason.



I'm going to take this and post a copy on a wall in one of my offices.

This was the right move, though, Mr. Ixiris. No matter what it means to you, I have gained some respect for you because of this move.


Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2008.08.24 11:22:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
The agreement to the Ultra Happy Chip however is disappointing. I'd even be tempted to think of it as agreeing with Sansha practices. Don't forget, Andreus, that laying down arms and admitting defeat does not mean you should go embrace your opponent.


Making that statement about the NHB Ultra Happy Chip was a condition of the retraction of the war declaration on the part of Exalted, and furthermore, you misunderstand the statement. I acknowledged that the UHC does not contain any obvious thought control properties. I did not, at any point (and still do not) in any way condone its sale in Federation territory. In point of fact I would like to note the incredibly bad precedent it sets for Sansha technology being distributed in Empire space. If I can be totally honest, in no way do I condone the actions or even the existence of Naqam, but it's clear that at present Mixed Metaphor doesn't have the assets to do anything significant about either.

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.08.24 11:29:00 - [24]
 

Perusing open comm channels, Vaden doubletakes when he notices Andreus Ixiris's channel, and quickly catches up on the declaration. Opening channel for all to share in his joy, he genuinely smiles, something he has not done in quite a long time, and speaks briefly

Mixed Metaphor, a group I have a slightly greater than mild distaste for, and Naqam, a corporation I have an admiration for, going to war with each other. While of course I would prefer Naqam to win, for them to do so as...definitively...as this, makes my old heart warm with glee. To think that Andreus' rabble would run at the first engagement to leave their allies to die...tis if a thousand sacrifices throw themselves at my feet. Ixiris, to you and your brood, even pirates such as my own do not leave our allies to die fighting in our own war. May your cowardice shine out as an inspiration to all who fight for the Federation. I would invite your friends to my home in Sinq Laison, but I fear you would run away before we could officially greet you.

BloodBird
Nova Foundry
Posted - 2008.08.24 15:17:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
-Somewhat justified anger-


I've had last night to think things over, and I've reached a conclusion.

To MXD, and to Mr.Andreus Ixiris especially, I apologize for my harsh words earlier. I was mad at the apparent failure of MXD, and let emotion get the better of me. I don't do that to often, I hope.

The thing is, TacFA was newly re-formed. We are less than 10 pilots at current, and while that might change, not able to oppose Exalted. or much else in any meaningful form. Thus, all I could do was raise my objection of the chip sale in the Federation and empire space in general, and voice my support for MXD's war-declaration.

I assumed MXD was up to the task, and this is why I considered employment in their ranks, or those of STRIX. I originally wanted employment in an organization that supposedly had the means to effectively halt and stop the enemies of the Federation, but I had a change of heart while I was planet-side and decided to re-form an older organization instead. This have been in the planning stage for awhile and now we are about to realize our goals, and get going.

Still... MXD declared war on Naquam, and I assumed they were up to it. Most likely they were, it was after all a corporation vs corporation war. Then Naquam raised the stakes by joining an alliance and MXD needed back-up to equalize the score, so to say. This is where things went wrong.

To those that say I should start declaring war in Exalted. because MXD "failed", I'll say this.

How stupid do you think that I am?

Exalted. Definitely proved themselves when, in a single battle, they supposedly destroyed two carriers and a whole lot of support and didn't lose anything of any real value... is this correct? According to Ixiris it is three capitals actually, I don't know for sure.

What is sure is that Exalted. as an alliance have a definitive edge. I don't. The majority of my anger was based at the fact MXD and their allies would in theory have at least a 50/50 chance of somehow "winning" this war. That is FAR more than I would ever have. When MXD declared war it was a war between two corporations, likely with somewhat equal numbers.

For TacFA to declare war on Exalted. it would be less than 10 people vs an entire alliance's worth of capitals, funding, members and logistics. I'm not an idiot, to be sure, though I can be a childish hot-head, and for that I again apologize.

Thing is, no matter what MXD said or did not say to their allies they appear to be... little interested in any on-going war. In such a scenario MXD is faced with no allies and a fairly competent alliance against them.

MXD's surrender is justified, and while I'm still ****ed at the chip sale being part of the surrender treaty... I can see that the choice to surrender was indeed just, even if... hell, I'll just leave it at that.

As a final note to Exalted. - One day, we will be ready. We will have the numbers, the funding, the assets needed, and perhaps a nice, short list of allies as well.

I will not let this slip, for long. Right now, we can't do anything at all that will in any way bother you, but if this corporation grows as I wish for it to do, eventually, we will. ONE day.

Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.08.24 17:07:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Making that statement about the NHB Ultra Happy Chip was a condition of the retraction of the war declaration on the part of Exalted, and furthermore, you misunderstand the statement. I acknowledged that the UHC does not contain any obvious thought control properties. I did not, at any point (and still do not) in any way condone its sale in Federation territory. In point of fact I would like to note the incredibly bad precedent it sets for Sansha technology being distributed in Empire space. If I can be totally honest, in no way do I condone the actions or even the existence of Naqam, but it's clear that at present Mixed Metaphor doesn't have the assets to do anything significant about either.


You have seen proof, from an independent research organization, that the UHC does not contain thought control properties? I am aware that there is no proof that it does, but better safe than sorry, no? Fair enough that you don't have the assets to do something about it but still your statement throws away something valuable you did have left against it. Your own opinion.

DeadRow
Caldari
Damnation Angels
Posted - 2008.08.25 14:37:00 - [27]
 

Congratulations to Naqam and Exalted, o7.

Admiral Derooy
Caldari
Kampfgruppe
L.E.G.I.O.N.
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:17:00 - [28]
 

How delightfull, Mr. Irixis got his arse handed to him.

Twisted Evil

Darina Rea
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
You have seen proof, from an independent research organization, that the UHC does not contain thought control properties? I am aware that there is no proof that it does, but better safe than sorry, no?

You're welcome to find a completely unbiased corporation with the necessary knowledge to be able to make an independent report on the product. Note the unbiased in the proposal. There are simply numerous independent research corporations able to make a report either telling the product doesn't do it or just the opposite, depending on the one that gives the most ISK, the political environment the corporation has to live in and the corporation that sets the wanted results for the report. The corporations that actually do their research so unbiased and thorough as we would like to obliterate this myth once and for all do not exist to my knowledge.

Also, before you ask, your corporation doesn't qualify by default.

Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:42:00 - [30]
 

Would have never dared to suggest ourselves. In fact if we would contract any other corporation for that you'd probably go scream about bribery having taken place. Perhaps there can be a volunteer for this bit of research?


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