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Steve Hawkings
Posted - 2008.08.22 10:13:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Translation: Mommy, I can't get easy kill anymore, carebears wont come to lowsec because they make lots of isk running lvl 4 in empire.



Why do these clueless people keep posting, NOT EVERYONE IN LOW SEC IS OUT TO GET YOU.

Zephyr Rengate
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.22 10:19:00 - [92]
 

The only nerf that I feel that needs to be out into practice is getting rid of high sec LP. Making it a low sec and 0.0 space resource. That way those mission runners who venture into lowsec get there just reward. Wereas those mission runners who stay in high sec can still make money but they dont have that special LP.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2008.08.22 10:31:00 - [93]
 



THese threads pushing for a nerf are full of fail.

1.carebears don't pvp so that isk just stacks up as they "npc". Since that isk is not being used to pvp, that isk is neutralized. Give em all 20bil and they will all use it on nothing that effects 0.0 or even lowsec.

2. I like this magical calculation you bust out in the 1st post. Was it meant to seem like you know what your talking about? As though you were the Eve economist somehow calculating how much isk is being pulled in by L4 runners and then ....left in their wallet?

3. You can remove L4s altogether, hell put them in the center of 0.0 but your still not going to achieve your goal. People that are not interested in pvp are not going to head to 0.0 to make more isk. Instead they will default to L3s where you guys can then say L3s are overpowered.

4.People that "npc" as they put it don't want to pvp without a real reason,meaning a reason not supported by the game's story. FW actually addresses this problem,unlike the idea of nerfing anything in empire.

5. Inflation? Your joking right?

in·fla·tion (n-flshn)
n.
1. The act of inflating or the state of being inflated.
2. A persistent increase in the level of consumer prices or a persistent decline in the purchasing power of money, caused by an increase in available currency and credit beyond the proportion of available goods and services.

If L4s have caused some inflation already,which is easy to assume based on the cry to nerf L4s and the increase of players now in eve, how come t2 goods are always coming down in price? I do "some"(meaning undisclosed) market work and I have NOT seen an increase in prices due to an over abundance of isk floating around. Instead I have seen the opposite happen.

If this excessive amount of isk being generated by mission runners is causing prices to go down, why in the world would a pvper want to reverse that trend? That means you would be against replacing your ships easier then before. Not sure what pvper wants to really feel a serious sting in their waller when they lose.

If L4 runners are pumping isk into the system which has caused prices to fall it is indirectly buffing 0.0 . Even if you weren't to have made as much isk as an L4 runner, your isk is stretching further then before because of the mission runners. Toss in the fact that 0.0 is ,for someone into pvp, far more fun then sitting in empire your going to get more out of your isk then the mission runner. you will be able to have more fun because of these isk grinders.

Also L4s are available to anyone. If there is really such a problem then there would be zero ratters in 0.0. Alliances wouldn't fight over 0.0, instead they would be wardecing each other over control of the best l4s in empire space.



Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2008.08.22 10:33:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino
in·fla·tion (n-flshn)
n.
1. The act of inflating or the state of being inflated.


This thread makes my pants inflate Laughing

imakillyooall
Posted - 2008.08.22 10:36:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

It's a gameplay that conflicts with all other types of gameplay in the game and it IS BROKEN!



Waaah waaah!

Arent you the guy that confidently claimed insurance was fine and then it got nerfed?

Oops

Pretty much shows what you know doesn't it?

Ki an is your alt/main right?


TamiyaCowboy
Caldari
KRAKEN FLEET
Posted - 2008.08.22 11:38:00 - [96]
 

personaly level 4 missions via hisec are a little too easy !!! Yeah thats right TOO EASY

what risk v reward ? a pilot salvaging your wreck lol, most pve runners will not admit this. they will however come into eve-o and complain if anything is mentioned about nerfing missions, nerfing thier easy isk.

lets face the facts here, lvl 4 missions in hisec need revamping they need too be made more harder dropping the ISK PER HR ratio, they need spawns boosting and the whole AI of a mission changed.

stop saying they are fine, and there is nothing wrong with hisec lvl4 missions. You are wrong you know this and wont admit it.

It is about time CCP put eve into hard mode !!! a solo battlecruiser doing lvl4 missions is a joke it should not be so easy.

Magmain
Posted - 2008.08.22 11:40:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kwedaras
Risk vs Reward. I am sure everybody heard these words at least a few times while playing eve. Almost every ccps balancing patch (Read: nerf) is based on that. Stabs, nanos, suicide ganking and other nerfed or will be nerfed things render too much reward or too little risk. Now, i want to point out, that this post is not written by a bitter suicide ganker or nanofaag. I must admit that i have tried suicide ganking few months back, i got some kills but that profession was too boring for me. And for nanos - i have 500kish sp in navigation, so no nanos for me.
Lvl4 hisec kill missions.
I think there are two main reasons to do them : money and fun (standings is not a valid reason, if you want high faction standings and do lvl4s, you are doing it wrong, start doing courier missions). The people who do lvl4s for money : chinese farmers, alts of pvpers, pvpers. For fun : carebears.
Rewards.
Typical lvl4 missionrunner should earn about 17.5-20 mil a hour not counting in lp rewards (i got this figure by myself, running missions against guristas in absolution(wrong dmg type, not very high dps)) so rewards can even be higher. I hear guys who are saying, "hey, its just you, i earn 10 mil a hour". My response would be: So if you are doing missions for money, you should find more isk yielding profession. If you are doing them for fun, well, read further. I was also living in lowsec and doing lvl4s there. Three q20 agents is really nice i could choose most suitable missions and reward there was about 30 mil a hour (not counting lp rewards). 0.0 ? It was never appealing for me, but from waht i read people earn 20-30 mil a hour on average (not counting hauler, faction and officer spawns as i was not counting lp rewards, and sure, some might earn even 45 mil, from chaining but i take an average).
Risk
Lets start from other side. 0.0: Risk is quite high. Roaming gangs, enemies make ratters life hard. Some might add that in alliance core systems its pretty quiet. Well thats the point. In order to get to that space you must be a part of the alliance, you must do your duties, defend space, manufacture. It takes hundreds or even thousands of people to cooperate in order to conquer space and make it safe. I give Risk ratio : from 4-10
Low sec. Systems with several good quality lvl 4 agents are commonly visited by pirates. Again, in order to be safe, you need to make a protection force. Some pirates jump in your system, gang is made, and the blob of agentrunners is flying to fight (thats how it was done in system i was missioning). You need to COOPERATE in both cases (lowsec and 0.0). Risk ratio : 4.
Now lets see what we have in empire : You can do lvl4q20 missions freely, even for several agents (there are i think 3 q20 agents in range of 1j in motsu). No need to pay attention all the time (you need in lowsec and 0.0 if you want to stay alive). Also you can try to pimp your ship to a certain level, as suicide ganking is being nerfed and you certainly wont be ganked if you fly a CNR with 500 mil in mods(CN fit). The only left risk is being wardecced, but again, you can leave to npc corp until wardec is dropped. Salvage thieves is not a threat, as they cant shoot you if you are not a moron (Read: you shoot back). Risk ratio : 0-0.01
Risk vs. Reward
So what we get (higher the better) : 0.0 - 45-20/4-10 = from 11.25 to 2. risk vs reward ratio. lowsec - 30/4 = 7.5. And finally : 20/0-01 = from OH SHI-(infinity) to 200
Why lvl4s needs a nerf and not lowsec/0.0 ratting/lvl4s needs a boost : boosting lowsec/0.0 ratting/lvl4s will cause massive inflation, as amount of isk earned will be significantly higher.


Agreed... I like to see suicide ganking still in action in high sec, also I would like to see lvl4's nerfed or moved into low sec. Oh yeh, and buff mining, not many people see the profit in it anymore.

Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.22 11:42:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: imakillyooall
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

It's a gameplay that conflicts with all other types of gameplay in the game and it IS BROKEN!



Waaah waaah!

Arent you the guy that confidently claimed insurance was fine and then it got nerfed?

Oops

Pretty much shows what you know doesn't it?

Ki an is your alt/main right?




When I make a mistake I make it with my main.

Since this is my alt, you can count on high sec getting nerfed.

Chipan Asty
Posted - 2008.08.22 11:46:00 - [99]
 

Hi sec level 4's need no nerf.

Aside from the obvious 23/7 isk farmer/sellers I rekon a majority of hi sec mission runners are alts for making a bit of isk.

This isk is then spent on ships for thier main to go pvping in. So even tho the alt is not going to low sec you will still get to kill the main so stop moaning tbh.


Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.22 11:55:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Chipan Asty
Hi sec level 4's need no nerf.

Aside from the obvious 23/7 isk farmer/sellers I rekon a majority of hi sec mission runners are alts for making a bit of isk.

This isk is then spent on ships for thier main to go pvping in. So even tho the alt is not going to low sec you will still get to kill the main so stop moaning tbh.




You don't see a problem with this? Battlegrounds ring a bell?

Par'Gellen
Gallente
Neon Cranium
Posted - 2008.08.22 12:35:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Kwedaras
The people who do lvl4s for money : chinese farmers, alts of pvpers, pvpers.
Looks like your argument has a fundamental flaw... I'm none of the above and do lvl4's for isk. If I was any more carebear I'd be pink with a flower on my belly. Hmm...

/me grabs a pink magic marker.

Sorry that I blew your entire silly theory to hell Rolling Eyes

Galvatine
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.22 12:39:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Kwedaras

...So you cant make significant damage for him, he cant be finished. Now imagine that there is no good money from lvl4s. he must come to other place. in lowsec or 0.0 you can gank him again, he loses more money, he cant earn any, he is broke.
...



Seems to me this is all your interested in...the ability to end the game for someone.

Happily CCP aint stupid enough to do that, it would cost them subs, as well as making the game really quite dull

Xevan Templar
Gallente
7th Batavian Squadron
Posted - 2008.08.22 12:43:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Steve Hawkings
Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Translation: Mommy, I can't get easy kill anymore, carebears wont come to lowsec because they make lots of isk running lvl 4 in empire.



Why do these clueless people keep posting, NOT EVERYONE IN LOW SEC IS OUT TO GET YOU.


Yes you are correct, it's a place where we all hold hands and have slumber party's. I heard when Ambulation will come pillow fights will be the most 'hardcore'thing in lowsec

Rolling Eyes

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:05:00 - [104]
 

The ops says: we need a nerf on l4 mission in high sec.

I ask: Who is that "we"?

Is it CCP? Is it the playerbase in total? Is it a certain part of the playerbase? Who is that "we"?

Certainly I don't need a nerf to missions, I care a **** about missions. Let them run 24/7, so what? Does it make my game less fun? No.

And CCP? Well, you know, 70% or more of their players are in high sec, probably mission running. Why would CCP need to kill their base of income? After all, maybe you forgot that?, the servers need to be paid, and it all costs a lot of money. Are you sure that CCP needs to throw away 70% of their income?

Does the players need nerfs? Hell, no - lots of them are running missions, so those who are running missions do not need at all any nerfs.

Since running L4's doesn't affect other players much (contrary to some pvp fittings *cough*), why do you care??

Is it because you are jealous? Almost looks like this. Stop looking left and right what others are doing and if you are treated unfair (lolol, treated unfair in an internet spaceship game), instead pick something which suits YOUR playstyle and then have lots of fun. I can assure you that you then won't care if others earn more isk/hour or not.




TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:08:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
The ops says: we need a nerf on l4 mission in high sec.

I ask: Who is that "we"?

Is it CCP? Is it the playerbase in total? Is it a certain part of the playerbase? Who is that "we"?

Certainly I don't need a nerf to missions, I care a **** about missions. Let them run 24/7, so what? Does it make my game less fun? No.

And CCP? Well, you know, 70% or more of their players are in high sec, probably mission running. Why would CCP need to kill their base of income? After all, maybe you forgot that?, the servers need to be paid, and it all costs a lot of money. Are you sure that CCP needs to throw away 70% of their income?

Does the players need nerfs? Hell, no - lots of them are running missions, so those who are running missions do not need at all any nerfs.

Since running L4's doesn't affect other players much (contrary to some pvp fittings *cough*), why do you care??

Is it because you are jealous? Almost looks like this. Stop looking left and right what others are doing and if you are treated unfair (lolol, treated unfair in an internet spaceship game), instead pick something which suits YOUR playstyle and then have lots of fun. I can assure you that you then won't care if others earn more isk/hour or not.






All those nano and suicide gank whines

Rolling Eyes

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:09:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino


THese threads pushing for a nerf are full of fail.

1.carebears don't pvp so that isk just stacks up as they "npc". Since that isk is not being used to pvp, that isk is neutralized. Give em all 20bil and they will all use it on nothing that effects 0.0 or even lowsec.




Wrong in every respect. So wrong that I didn't bother reading the rest.

Galvatine
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:15:00 - [107]
 

The only thing in 0.0 it should effect is the price you get for rares, the more money they have, the more money those items sell for.

Now ofc if you use those for pvp yourself, then yes, your affected by the inflation their isk provides to that market.

Thing is, not many people fly around in faction fitted ships in low/null sec so its really a moot point

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:24:00 - [108]
 

People need to leave hisec alone. If you don't want to run missions, and you don't want to trade, GTFO. There's no reason for you to be here.

Bunch of ignorant twelve year olds showing how mighty they are, that's all PvP is. Gankfests and killboard cowboys. And since they can't get to me in losec because I'm not stupid enough to ever make myself vulnerable, they then come into hisec and cause trouble.

Now they are nerfing suicides, and you know what? You kids deserve it. If all I want to do is stay in hisec, I should be allowed to. A should be allowed to be perfectly safe. CONCORD should protect me from any of you children trying to be tough 'gangstas'.

Fact is, they have already ruined hisec by not allowing us to have worthwhile exploration sites, or enough agents, or level 5 missions. I'm about two months away from being able to fly a capital. Why the hell can't I fly one while doing missions? Who are YOU to say I can't!

And don't give me that 'market is PvP' bullcrap, cause it's not. There's no way players are the only one's buying and selling on there. And even if it is, it's not really PvP. PvP counts as one player fighting and killing another.

I'll go into losec when I'm good and ready. And since nothing about losec is fair, what with 50 dudes all jumping to kill 1 noob, I'm only going to go when it can be regulated, one on one or two on one fights.

CCP is a bunch of morons for listening to you guys. Seriously. They could have 100k more subscribers, easy, if they just expanded hisec a bit and let it be really secure. It wouldn't hurt anyone else, and we could play how we want to play, and the rest of you could play 'out there'.

Go be tough somewhere else. EvE's changing, and it's changing to accommodate a better bunch of people. Better than you losers, at least.

Galvatine
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:26:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Ruze
People need to leave hisec alone. If you don't want to run missions, and you don't want to trade, GTFO. There's no reason for you to be here.

Bunch of ignorant twelve year olds showing how mighty they are, that's all PvP is. Gankfests and killboard cowboys. And since they can't get to me in losec because I'm not stupid enough to ever make myself vulnerable, they then come into hisec and cause trouble.

Now they are nerfing suicides, and you know what? You kids deserve it. If all I want to do is stay in hisec, I should be allowed to. A should be allowed to be perfectly safe. CONCORD should protect me from any of you children trying to be tough 'gangstas'.

Fact is, they have already ruined hisec by not allowing us to have worthwhile exploration sites, or enough agents, or level 5 missions. I'm about two months away from being able to fly a capital. Why the hell can't I fly one while doing missions? Who are YOU to say I can't!

And don't give me that 'market is PvP' bullcrap, cause it's not. There's no way players are the only one's buying and selling on there. And even if it is, it's not really PvP. PvP counts as one player fighting and killing another.

I'll go into losec when I'm good and ready. And since nothing about losec is fair, what with 50 dudes all jumping to kill 1 noob, I'm only going to go when it can be regulated, one on one or two on one fights.

CCP is a bunch of morons for listening to you guys. Seriously. They could have 100k more subscribers, easy, if they just expanded hisec a bit and let it be really secure. It wouldn't hurt anyone else, and we could play how we want to play, and the rest of you could play 'out there'.

Go be tough somewhere else. EvE's changing, and it's changing to accommodate a better bunch of people. Better than you losers, at least.


Ruze, stop foaming at the mouth your comming across as badly as your counter on the opposite side of the argument.


Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:31:00 - [110]
 

Risk v Reward.... tiresome argument.

Firstly I did but don't now and have not for along time missioned.

Secondly you can make WAY more money ratting/plexing in 0.0 than you can in the same timeframe than you do LVL4 missions.

Thirdly, risk? What risk? Plan your trip, use your local, don't be a dumb ass and you will never lose a ship if you go to the right space. Avoiding nasty men in tights that wish to rob you isn't hard and your average 0.0 belt rat is a piece of **** to kill quickly and without all that agro crap you get in missions.

Leave missions as they are. That way the only ones that come to 0.0 are ones we can talk to without looking for the special book.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:36:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: TamiyaCowboy
personaly level 4 missions via hisec are a little too easy !!! Yeah thats right TOO EASY

what risk v reward ? a pilot salvaging your wreck lol, most pve runners will not admit this. they will however come into eve-o and complain if anything is mentioned about nerfing missions, nerfing thier easy isk.

lets face the facts here, lvl 4 missions in hisec need revamping they need too be made more harder dropping the ISK PER HR ratio, they need spawns boosting and the whole AI of a mission changed.

stop saying they are fine, and there is nothing wrong with hisec lvl4 missions. You are wrong you know this and wont admit it.

It is about time CCP put eve into hard mode !!! a solo battlecruiser doing lvl4 missions is a joke it should not be so easy.



Lets also have ccp nerf 0.0 as well. WHy? Because when I was out there it was virtually no risk to farm away. SOme people did nothing BUT farm in the safety of an obscure drone region ,pocket system. A billion in a week is what they bragged about. CCP needs to create a system so that rat bounties match the true risk of ratting in particular systems and at specific times.

IF they dont but they nerf L4s then its just breaking the system in another way and they will just have to "fix" it again. So they MUST alter how bounties are done so it is FAIR. You cant float in a safe 0.0 system several jumps behind the front lines with 10 different intel channels and 100s if not thousands of other sets of eyes reporting any hostile movement,while your back there farming isk. Thats just not fair.

Again if your ratting in 0.0 and get popped, you shouldn't be out there. Hell i would doubt such a person would even be safe in empire L4s if they can't pay attention to anything.

as for the bc soloing L4s, its possible to a point but so bloody inefficient you might as well be grinding L2s. So if they want to do such a thing then let them as their isk per hour is going to be pure crap.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:39:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Galvatine
Originally by: Ruze
People need to leave hisec alone. If you don't want to run missions, and you don't want to trade, GTFO. There's no reason for you to be here.

Bunch of ignorant twelve year olds showing how mighty they are, that's all PvP is. Gankfests and killboard cowboys. And since they can't get to me in losec because I'm not stupid enough to ever make myself vulnerable, they then come into hisec and cause trouble.

Now they are nerfing suicides, and you know what? You kids deserve it. If all I want to do is stay in hisec, I should be allowed to. A should be allowed to be perfectly safe. CONCORD should protect me from any of you children trying to be tough 'gangstas'.

Fact is, they have already ruined hisec by not allowing us to have worthwhile exploration sites, or enough agents, or level 5 missions. I'm about two months away from being able to fly a capital. Why the hell can't I fly one while doing missions? Who are YOU to say I can't!

And don't give me that 'market is PvP' bullcrap, cause it's not. There's no way players are the only one's buying and selling on there. And even if it is, it's not really PvP. PvP counts as one player fighting and killing another.

I'll go into losec when I'm good and ready. And since nothing about losec is fair, what with 50 dudes all jumping to kill 1 noob, I'm only going to go when it can be regulated, one on one or two on one fights.

CCP is a bunch of morons for listening to you guys. Seriously. They could have 100k more subscribers, easy, if they just expanded hisec a bit and let it be really secure. It wouldn't hurt anyone else, and we could play how we want to play, and the rest of you could play 'out there'.

Go be tough somewhere else. EvE's changing, and it's changing to accommodate a better bunch of people. Better than you losers, at least.


Ruze, stop foaming at the mouth your comming across as badly as your counter on the opposite side of the argument.




Too much, you think? Alright, I'll tone it down and actually try to come up with a reasonable argument. Sowwy.

Krxon Blade
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:40:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Krxon Blade on 24/08/2008 16:39:21
Originally by: Mikal Drey

EVE whine generator
if you/anyone makes this spinable I'll give you 100mil



Spin-able EVE Wheel of Whine
Donation is not necessary, but would be appreciated Very Happy

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:40:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: ShardowRhino


THese threads pushing for a nerf are full of fail.

1.carebears don't pvp so that isk just stacks up as they "npc". Since that isk is not being used to pvp, that isk is neutralized. Give em all 20bil and they will all use it on nothing that effects 0.0 or even lowsec.




Ah i love it when morons base their arguments off of nothing. I'm wrong based off of the fact that you can't bother to read anything?

Thanks for showing that those that side with the "nerf l4s"whiners aren't able to counter a single point. To bad the rest of them aren't like you.

You can put the white flag down.LaughingLaughing
Wrong in every respect. So wrong that I didn't bother reading the rest.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:41:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Krxon Blade
Originally by: Mikal Drey

EVE whine generator
if you/anyone makes this spinable I'll give you 100mil



Spin-able EVE Whine generator
Donation is not necessary, but would be appreciated Very Happy

Not just /thread, but /forum, IMO.

emf
Amarr
The Federated Suns
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:46:00 - [116]
 

How is everyone getting 10 mil/hour or 20 mil/hour? Seems more like upwards of 50-60 mil/hour with the right string of missions and 30 mil an hour minimum. I don't see how you can get 10 mil/hour total unless you're using a nighthawk with no weapon upgrades or are doing something really wrong like salvaging every single wreck and accepting courier missions to move 40k m3 of containers.

I think what we need is a buff and not a nerf. Level 4 missions are boring as hell and I wouldn't do them for any less than they pay now. Buff low sec missions and exploration a good 50% and sit back and watch the care bears flock to them. Its really as simple a fix as that. I for one would move my paladin to low sec if there actually was a reward.

K'uata Sayus
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:50:00 - [117]
 

After reading the OP and little else:

I pay my monthly fee and do what the hell I want. Period.

The changes in the game are essentially beyond my control, I adjust to them and move on.

The end.




Galvatine
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:51:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Ruze

Too much, you think? Alright, I'll tone it down and actually try to come up with a reasonable argument. Sowwy.


Better Wink

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.22 13:51:00 - [119]
 

Reasonable arguments against changing hisec:

- 50% of the playerbase spends all their time there (according to CCP). And as market details show, 'hardcore' PvP games make up a very small percentage of the MMO market. CCP could make much more money by catering to the hisec community, which is obviously here to enjoy the game as they can. To many, this means 'not pvping'.

- Hisec makes up only 22% of the gaming universe. If anything, more needs to be added to hisec. Agents need to be added and spread out. More systems need to be put in to help with server loads. Since many a mission runner only groups together with someone once-in-a-blue-moon, they don't all need to be in the same system taking up valuable server resources. Resources that could better be used in losec and nulsec, where large player groups are more common.

- If we saw a mass exodus of hisec players moving into losec, it would probably ruin the pirate profession, as it can be reasonably assumed that carebears would blob together and maintain groups 50+ strong. This would push away pirates and small-gang warfare as we know it, much like FW has already done with the battlegrounds.

- Hisec players pay a subscription fee, too. And if you go by the 50%, your going to have to recognize that they're paying for half the game, at least. Probably more. At which point you might be wise to allow that we have just as much right as anyone else to have the game be developed in a way that we would enjoy further.

- Even hardcore PvPers can respect that having a place in secure space where they can recoup their losses and get back into the fray. Everyone needs to admit to themselves that losses don't mean ANYTHING. Killing the other guy doesn't hurt him. He could easily rat and get back in a boat. There's nothing different about him doing missions in hisec instead of ratting. The profit margins are similar, and it's easier on him. So what?

Judas Jones
Amarr
UK Freedom Fighters
Focused Intentions
Posted - 2008.08.22 14:13:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Judas Jones on 22/08/2008 14:15:16
What an absurd topic that keeps poping up:Neutral

ArrowNew Players join the game, if there "carebears", they will mission run or mine (or both), if mission run, they plan on sticking with the game long enough to get into level 4's and do them at a good rate. This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.
ArrowOlder players like myself, have treid 0.0 space and decided the whole dodgy player Alliance politics smells too much like crap for me and thus use level 4's to gather isk whilst participating in FW (E.G.). This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.
ArrowA lot of Null Sec players will have high sec alts to offset iskies in big losses and to engage in empire isk *****ing when other methods are not availiable or not pratical (Wars, lag, camping etc...). This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.
ArrowPeople enjoy flying with people they know and trust, sometimes you find yourself solo and not in the mood to engage in something risky, you have trainned and invested in pew pew so you do some lvl 4's..This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.
ArrowThere is a portion of Eves population, NOT MACROMINERS, that simply do not want to be forced out of high sec and thus require things to do for themselves with options and room for growth. This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.
ArrowLevel fours themselves, is used by many as goal orientation and as part of the whole learning curve, It is a pillar of the whole PvE aspect of Eve which a lot of people do enjoy engaging in. This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.

Edit, forgot the tl'dr version: This is revenue for ccp and further expansions/development.


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