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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:48:00 - [1141]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak]Laughing[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything.




Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables.

Laughing

PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON!
.



While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate.



That means nothing.

You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP.




.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:50:00 - [1142]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak]That means nothing.[linebreak][linebreak]You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Good point. Better make sure the GMs look at all of your accounts.

Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:52:00 - [1143]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Exlegion
Le Skunk,

Let me talk to you in a way you can better understand, because obviously intelligently isn't one way.

You're a babbling idiot. You want to find out how many times I've lost ships look it up yourself! I don't care whether my losses appear on killboards or not. To be honest, I don't keep track. I'm not a killboard ***** either. Sue me. Suffice it to say I lost my last ship in Tamo a couple of weeks ago helping some local pirates fight off another pirate gang. Yes, I know. A little weird, but I figured it'd be fun and in the end work to my interest in the long run. Can't remember the pirate corp, but Borasu is in it. Look it up and ask them if you feel so inclined to do so.

You know, some of us don't have to lie to make a point. Unfortunately, you make a habit out of it and it's just such a waste of your time and mine.


Why aren't you helping your alliance fight for your space?

Laughing Don't see how this fits in to this debate, other than to discredit me in some way, but I'll entertain your question.

I switch characters between low and 0.0 sec. During PVP ops I'm around TVN (not with Exlegion) although lately, and since TVN was sieged by Tri I've moved my character to Y0. When the Hydra gang numbers are low I switch to Exlegion to mission in low sec. Mind you, during this time corp tax was set to 100%. So even with Exlegion I'm still helping for the war cause.

Any other question you'd like to distract from the topic? Wink



Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:53:00 - [1144]
 

Originally by: Exlegion
I switch characters between low and 0.0 sec. During PVP ops I'm around TVN (not with Exlegion) although lately, and since TVN was sieged by Tri I've moved my character to Y0. When the Hydra gang numbers are low I switch to Exlegion to mission in low sec. Mind you, during this time corp tax was set to 100%. So even with Exlegion I'm still helping for the war cause.

Any other question you'd like to distract from the topic? Wink





Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads.

Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:54:00 - [1145]
 

Edited by: Exlegion on 02/09/2008 17:56:15
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Exlegion
I switch characters between low and 0.0 sec. During PVP ops I'm around TVN (not with Exlegion) although lately, and since TVN was sieged by Tri I've moved my character to Y0. When the Hydra gang numbers are low I switch to Exlegion to mission in low sec. Mind you, during this time corp tax was set to 100%. So even with Exlegion I'm still helping for the war cause.

Any other question you'd like to distract from the topic? Wink





Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads.



Tamo isn't high sec. Again, EXLEGION LIVES IN LOW SEC. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well.



Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:55:00 - [1146]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak]Laughing[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything.




Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables.

Laughing

PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON!
.



While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate.



That means nothing.

You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP.




.


Like you and you macro acounts and your ISK selling alts, you mean?

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:56:00 - [1147]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak]Laughing[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything.




Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables.

Laughing

PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON!
.



While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate.

That means nothing.

You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP.
.


And as I hope many others see, the response you made in your defense against being termed a macro user or isk seller/buyer, is as fallible as mine made about not being a pirate.

I'm not a pirate, but all you have to go on is my actions. I could have alts. I could have other motivations. I could not. Any argument meant to declare me a pirate is based off assumptions and not facts, and the only real intent is to further derail an argument that you don't seem to agree on, without giving a reasoning. Libel and lies, I declare, and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

In the meanwhile, I'm just trying to call you out and draw more quotes and words from you, in order to further paint your aggressive and persistent campaign against this discussion in the light that it should be under ... nothing more than someone acting as a troll.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:56:00 - [1148]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 17:56:28
Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Ki An

Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads.



Tamo isn't high sec. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well.





Sorry 'bout that. Low sec. However, is that really worth your time? I hear that pirates probe you out 100% of the time there.


Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.09.02 17:59:00 - [1149]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 17:56:28
Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Ki An

Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads.



Tamo isn't high sec. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well.





Sorry 'bout that. Low sec. However, is that really worth your time? I hear that pirates probe you out 100% of the time there.




Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night.

Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? Rolling Eyes



Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:01:00 - [1150]
 

Originally by: Exlegion
Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night.

Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? Rolling Eyes





No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:02:00 - [1151]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Exlegion
Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night.

Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? Rolling Eyes





No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that.



Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?!

I thought losec was for PvP?

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:04:00 - [1152]
 

Originally by: Ruze

Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?!

I thought losec was for PvP?


I KNOW, RIGHT?

Amazing.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:06:00 - [1153]
 

Originally by: Exlegion
Le Skunk,

Let me talk to you in a way you can better understand, because obviously intelligently isn't one way.

You're a babbling idiot. You want to find out how many times I've lost ships look it up yourself! I don't care whether my losses appear on killboards or not. To be honest, I don't keep track. I'm not a killboard ***** either. Sue me. Suffice it to say I lost my last ship in Tamo a couple of weeks ago helping some local pirates fight off another pirate gang. Yes, I know. A little weird, but I figured it'd be fun and in the end work to my interest in the long run. Can't remember the pirate corp, but Borasu is in it. Look it up and ask them if you feel so inclined to do so.

You know, some of us don't have to lie to make a point. Unfortunately, you make a habit out of it and it's just such a waste of your time and mine.





So without evidence to the contrary, and due to you "not keeping track" or of any losses, we have battleclinic being our sole source of evidence.

ArrowWe are to presume that your mission running faction raven WAS your first pvp loss of significance.

I remember the first big loss I had in - some guy called eddiee something that blew up my iteron. I was hauling tobacco and was astounded that the sentry guns didnt kill him. I remember swearing revenge.

Of course then I got seriously into pvp, and it lost it relevance.

It is reasonable, given what we know of pvp in this game - that your first ganking did have an effect on you - your subsequent avoidance of pvp helped it keep its relevance- and sent you to the forums to troll any "pirate" thread you can find. Including the two your currently trolling now.

TLDR: Im not a lier, I have given evidence. You have none. Your a troll. Pipe down.

SKUNK


Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:07:00 - [1154]
 

Originally by: Ki An
No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that.


Low sec isn't for everyone, especially to players that don't have the time. It takes alot of logistics and preparation to run missions there. And mining is almost impossible where the decent ores are. And if probes start zero'ing in on you while missioning, you may spend hours lost, sometimes days, waiting for pirates to give up.



Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:10:00 - [1155]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
So without evidence to the contrary, and due to you "not keeping track" or of any losses, we have battleclinic being our sole source of evidence.

ArrowWe are to presume that your mission running faction raven WAS your first pvp loss of significance.

I remember the first big loss I had in - some guy called eddiee something that blew up my iteron. I was hauling tobacco and was astounded that the sentry guns didnt kill him. I remember swearing revenge.

Of course then I got seriously into pvp, and it lost it relevance.

It is reasonable, given what we know of pvp in this game - that your first ganking did have an effect on you - your subsequent avoidance of pvp helped it keep its relevance- and sent you to the forums to troll any "pirate" thread you can find. Including the two your currently trolling now.

TLDR: Im not a lier, I have given evidence. You have none. Your a troll. Pipe down.

SKUNK


Laughing You're an idiot.



Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:12:00 - [1156]
 

Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Ki An
Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 17:56:28
Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Ki An

Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads.



Tamo isn't high sec. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well.





Sorry 'bout that. Low sec. However, is that really worth your time? I hear that pirates probe you out 100% of the time there.




Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night.

Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? Rolling Eyes





Previous comments aside, full respect for you in earning your ISK in a risky fashion.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:13:00 - [1157]
 

When I was running missions, I kept getting killed by some guy called 'Super Twinkey69'. He's now my FC.

Missions + low sec = negative wallet for the mission runner.

Missions in low sec, just completely awful experience.

Missions are a big part of EVE, rendering them moronic due to interference from other players breaks a bigger part of EVE than PVP sadly.

EVE would continue to exist if PVP vanished. However, if carebears vanished, EVE would rapidly dry up and die.

Its a dirty secret.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:15:00 - [1158]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Exlegion
Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night.

Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? Rolling Eyes





No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that.




Right he isn't doing anything wrong, he just has to either switch characters or NOT PLAY AT ALL in order to survive in low sec.

Geeee thats... well , pretty sad.Neutral

Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:18:00 - [1159]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?!

I thought losec was for PvP?


WTF are you even arguing here now? Shocked
This thread is so beyond its OP. It's now about me and running missions in low sec \o/.

I'll say it again. I run missions in low sec because I CHOOSE TO. I don't have agendas like some of you. The only thing I go to high sec for is to resupply on ammo and losses. But I also RESPECT THE PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC. You see, unlike some of you, I have no hidden agendas. I'm not personally benefitting from what happens in high sec. But I do want to see Eve move forward and improve. And I know that the high sec players pay their monthly fee which in turn helps the game over all. I respect their playstyle and accept it as valid.

I'm not better than the high sec player. I'm not "guttsier" or have bigger balls because I operate in low sec/0.0. I'm not superior to them in any way. They're the same as I am. No better no less. They just platy the game a little different than I do. And good for them. See the difference?



Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:19:00 - [1160]
 

Originally by: Spurty
When I was running missions, I kept getting killed by some guy called 'Super Twinkey69'. He's now my FC.

Missions + low sec = negative wallet for the mission runner.

Missions in low sec, just completely awful experience.

Missions are a big part of EVE, rendering them moronic due to interference from other players breaks a bigger part of EVE than PVP sadly.

EVE would continue to exist if PVP vanished. However, if carebears vanished, EVE would rapidly dry up and die.

Its a dirty secret.


If PvP vanished, EvE would dry up and die.

How many of those 'carebears' do you think would hang around if it was only them? Are missions entertaining enough to keep you around for five years? What happens when the market stagnates because nobody loses ships? What would CCP do with the release of each new game that causes a mass emigration of the playerbase?

Missions are a small part of EvE. For a large portion of the playerbase (I would even say the 'majority', if I had facts to support it, and not just experience), missions are just a means for the less skilled, like myself, to support other endeavors.

Tabula Rasa. Sci-fi game, almost exclusively PvE with dueling. Check out the playerbase on that game.



The dirty little secret, is that PvE and PvP are interrelated in EvE, and if you severely hamper one or the other, you hurt both.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.09.02 18:21:00 - [1161]
 

Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Ruze
Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?!

I thought losec was for PvP?


WTF are you even arguing here now? Shocked
This thread is so beyond its OP. It's now about me and running missions in low sec \o/.

I'll say it again. I run missions in low sec because I CHOOSE TO. I don't have agendas like some of you. The only thing I go to high sec for is to resupply on ammo and losses. But I also RESPECT THE PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC. You see, unlike some of you, I have no hidden agendas. I'm not personally benefitting from what happens in high sec. But I do want to see Eve move forward and improve. And I know that the high sec players pay their monthly fee which in turn helps the game over all. I respect their playstyle and accept it as valid.

I'm not better than the high sec player. I'm not "guttsier" or have bigger balls because I operate in low sec/0.0. I'm not superior to them in any way. They're the same as I am. No better no less. They just platy the game a little different than I do. And good for them. See the difference?



Psst ...

I'm missioning in losec too. Aridia, to be exact, which has a few nice hisec islands, but whatever. I wasn't arguing sh*t, or even throwing poo in your general direction. I just thought it would be a humerous quip at the 'PvP over there' crowd, is all.

Sheesh ... touchy, touchy ...

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:06:00 - [1162]
 



PIRATE REVENGE THREAD CONTINUES......





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Need Input
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:08:00 - [1163]
 

Your post is absurd and a weak attempt to gain an influx of "easy targets" into null for kill mail. Simple

From my experience running level 4s in Kakakela you can make 60-100mil a day having only 3 mil sp for a -4 agent which at the time was all i could handle. That includes salvaging and looting. RISK? Warp scramming frigs and high sec baiting pirates for starters.

Null life one can make a vast fortune quickly. How does a bil a day sound? Risk level goes through the roof but the rewards are luring. Drone ratting pays very well and a seasoned pilot can earn a bill a day doing it and i have seen it personally. A pilot with 3 mil sp can earn 400 mil a day easily. The risks? Roaming gangs, nano faaags and warp scramming strains with a red pops into system.

Whats it all mean?

Players who are not into pvp can stay out of it by running level 4 missions in HIGH SEC for a decent amount of money. Enough to buy their CNR and fit it out and pay the bills. Thats fine with me cause pvp isnt for everyone especially when most pvp in null is a blob/lag fest where all your skill means squat against a group of seasoned pilots. You cant earn top isk in highsec unless your playing the market me thinks.

Players who want top isk and are willing to take more risk can join a 0.0 corp in an alliance and take advantage of that situation. This situation is for the person who welcomes pvp and needs a bigger wallet to replace ships and implants on a regular basis. Its offset and equals itself at the same time. Tit for tat most everyone in my null corp carry about 300 mil in their pockets, buy their pvp ships and lose, then rat for a day and buy another ship....rinse and repeat.

The game is setup to give the non pvper a chance to play the game and love it, and the pvper the same chance. Its balanced and working well. Your post is a cry for an influx of noobs (to pvp) to come out into null and get podded right off the bat. Easier target and more of them. This situation would drive MANY players from eve.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:12:00 - [1164]
 

Originally by: Need Input

Players who are not into pvp can stay out of it by running level 4 missions in HIGH SEC for a decent amount of money. Enough to buy their CNR and fit it out and pay the bills.


What bills?

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:13:00 - [1165]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak]PIRATE REVENGE THREAD CONTINUES......[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Still waiting on that quote.

Judge Ment
BOOM BOOM POW
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:13:00 - [1166]
 

Last words: Kill the Carebears, Kill the game

It's that simple (IS THAT BALANCE ENOUGH FOR YOU)

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:16:00 - [1167]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak]PIRATE REVENGE THREAD CONTINUES......[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Still waiting on that quote.




Here you go...

"



Laughing






.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:17:00 - [1168]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver
[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Here you go...[linebreak][linebreak]"[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Laughing[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak].


Nono, the price quote. How much are you charging for 100mil isk?

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:20:00 - [1169]
 

Originally by: Judge Ment
Last words: Kill the Carebears, Kill the game

It's that simple (IS THAT BALANCE ENOUGH FOR YOU)



It's not about balance. It's about revenge.

(Oh, and I don't think they want anyone to know that because it makes them angry when you point it out.)


.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.09.02 19:22:00 - [1170]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 19:22:52
Originally by: Judge Ment
Last words: Kill the Carebears, Kill the game

It's that simple (IS THAT BALANCE ENOUGH FOR YOU)


You vastly overexaggerate your importance. Fact is, Eve would manage without the likes of you. It would not manage without the likes of me.

I know it's a tough thing to accept, but you aren't really important for the game. Your money, however, seem to be more important to CCP than my money.


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