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Aarin Wrath
Caldari
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:07:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 21/08/2008 22:07:53
Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban


Seconded, plus the entire Wall of Text (tm) shows that they care not for the entire community, but only for themselves.

And complete illiteracy.

Very Happy



Third'ed ....

Oh and ...
Originally by: Kwedaras

standings is not a valid reason, if you want high faction standings and do lvl4s, you are doing it wrong


Troll much? Rolling Eyes

Edit: broke the quotes

Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:14:00 - [32]
 

No. Just no.

Oh, please learn to punctuate properly because reading that much text in a single paragraph makes most peoples head hurt.

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:24:00 - [33]
 

damn.. I was gonna flame him..


but you guys already did a through job of it...



and no, in short: this amounts to: I will stretch the truth and bend it to get more defenceless target for me to pew pew...


Issssh, I really hope these people join factional warfare already....

but wait... those targets shoots back XD



and no, I call your 17.5-20 mill an hour for the average player bull...


an CNR with T2 fit makes maybe at most 15 and hour including everything ON AVERAGE... there are what?... 2 missions in highsec in the lot that actually pays the figure (after everything) you pulled out.

unless you are getting those mission EVERY SINGLE time...
or you use an uber-maxed-skilled-CNR-faction-fitted ship..

the average player only makes about 10 mill an hour, +- maybe 2 mill... we had long talks about this... most people dont make that much XD...

remember kids, nerfing/boosting something because its too hard/easy for the 10% population (see? I just did what op did, pulled an number out of my arse...) will gurantee to mess up the other 90%... who... if you do the math... pays much more subscription than you do!



and yeah, before you nerf mission runners.... nerf traders XD... in my 3 years in eve, I made only about 1 billion from missioning... but over 40 billion from trading and never undocking... XD


(yes, some would say thats not alot of isk in 3 years.. but yeah, I dont do JUST those...)

Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:27:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/08/2008 22:00:04
My God . . .Rolling Eyes

Let the people who actually enjoy running endless missions with Navy Ravens run them!!!

What the hell is the problem????????

Personally I think its is mad boring.


There is no problem. These guys are just a bunch of jerks and pirate alts trying to force everyone to play the game as they imagine it should be played.

CCP should be boosting hisec, not nerfing it. Give us more systems. Level 5 missions. More exploration zones. More complexes.

Nerfing hisec will only force 98% of all the players to quit.


Don't forget that guns should not work in high sec if you have another player targetted. Also, noone who has ever shot another player should ever be allowed into high sec again.

(Seriously, I think all these carebears protecting their cash cow has finally broken Ruze. Hope you're proud of yourselves.)

SurrenderMonkey
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:43:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Mika Meroko


and no, I call your 17.5-20 mill an hour for the average player bull...




It's probably doable, but you're right, I doubt that's what most people make.

I'm pretty sure I can actually pull that in high sec in a frigate without doing missions, although my preference as far as income goes is definitely trading.

Arric Rohr
Gallente
Intergalactic Science LLC
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:45:00 - [36]
 

It's so funny to see all these "risk vs. reward" threads posted by people who have no clue what that phrase really means and how to calculate it. It's the FOTM forum topic for those who think they have a CCP-given right to blow players up whenever and wherever they want. Those of us who deny them that right are derided as "carebears," told we are playing the game wrong and made the subject of plans to force us to play differently to provide them pleasure.

Please, next time you want to write about Risk vs. Reward, sit back, realize you don't know your back passage from a hole in the ground, and STFU.

vent over

AR

Xevan Templar
Gallente
7th Batavian Squadron
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:47:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Xevan Templar on 21/08/2008 22:47:31

And goodevening lady's and gents. Todays winner of the random whine generator is.... Nerf lvl 4 missions
* random applause *


EVE whine generator


Sharupak
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:49:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Xevan Templar
Edited by: Xevan Templar on 21/08/2008 22:47:31

And goodevening lady's and gents. Todays winner of the random whine generator is.... Nerf lvl 4 missions
* random applause *


EVE whine generator




I like it!Cool

Atlas Oracle
Minmatar
Colossus Enterprises
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:51:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Xevan Templar
EVE whine generator




pure genius

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:53:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Xevan Templar
Edited by: Xevan Templar on 21/08/2008 22:47:31

And goodevening lady's and gents. Todays winner of the random whine generator is.... Nerf lvl 4 missions
* random applause *


EVE whine generator




/thread

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.21 22:56:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/08/2008 22:00:04
My God . . .Rolling Eyes

Let the people who actually enjoy running endless missions with Navy Ravens run them!!!

What the hell is the problem????????

Personally I think its is mad boring.


There is no problem. These guys are just a bunch of jerks and pirate alts trying to force everyone to play the game as they imagine it should be played.

CCP should be boosting hisec, not nerfing it. Give us more systems. Level 5 missions. More exploration zones. More complexes.

Nerfing hisec will only force 98% of all the players to quit.


Don't forget that guns should not work in high sec if you have another player targetted. Also, noone who has ever shot another player should ever be allowed into high sec again.

(Seriously, I think all these carebears protecting their cash cow has finally broken Ruze. Hope you're proud of yourselves.)



Why should guns work in hisec? What 'empire', to use the word loosely, would allow any combat ship larger than a frigate into their most 'secure' space?

No battleships in hisec. Suicide ganking is now dead. New players and those wanting to mission run are more safe and secure than ever. Those empires are now more safe and secure than ever. And in .9 and 1.0 space, allow security patrols to 'secure' weaponry, and take out all missions. Ain't no way pirates are making their way into 1.0 space. A pirate can't even get past .5 if his standing is bad.

Then, let Empires patrol losec. It's still their space, damnit. Make losec more secure, kick all those cry-baby griefers out, and let those who are the majority of the playerbase and pay the majority of the bills have somewhere to play.

If you want PvP, go to nulsec, or go to one of the contested zones in FW. Otherwise, Empire should be for those of us who want to run missions and mine and produce and enjoy this game, but don't want to face losers who buy GTC's and trade it for isk to buy ships so that they can lose them in gankfests.

Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:06:00 - [42]
 

Hehe I used to ***** about risk vs reward. After running a few month of ******ed missions on my alt I decided its really time = isk. That extra time spent mission running could be used on pvp. That extra time while pvping can be used to select better risk vs rewards targets. Grinding which really is missions is fun for some poeple, let them have it.

umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:16:00 - [43]
 

It's been asked for, it wont happen.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:18:00 - [44]
 

The only "problem" with mission running, is unlike _every_ other aspect of EVE, it's not a contended resource.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:19:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: umop 3pisdn
It's been asked for, it wont happen.



Took how many months before they nerfed stabalizers?

Took how many years before they added alliances, or FW?

When was the first time they advertised ambulation?

When was the first nano complaint? How many months did the b*tching haunt these forums?

Not saying it'll happen or they'll change anything. Just saying.

Somealt Ofmine
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:33:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 21/08/2008 23:35:06
Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 21/08/2008 23:33:35
I feel like Lucy in the chocolate factory with these threads (holy ****, just dated myself there).

I'm not pro-mission. I actually proposed phasing them out except as a starter path for new combat pilots that would lead into PvP oriented professions and progressions in the game. Went over like a lead baloon.

I'm also not anti-nerfing high-sec. Turning it into a "starter island" would be fine with me, but if you're going to do it, don't just pick on the mission runners. Nerf the markets, the building, the researching, the inventing. In other words, all the REAL money that's being made in high-sec empire. Make everyone do everything "under the gun" after a month or two on the "starter island".

That would make Eve more dangerous, more exciting, and absolutely unattractive to a pretty good sized chunk of its current and future player base. I'm game, but I doubt CCP is.

Kiviar
Caldari
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:34:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Bfoster
Edited by: Bfoster on 21/08/2008 21:21:26
They will just become macro miners, carebears will be carebears...


Quoted for so much truth it hurts!

Hungo
Minmatar
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:35:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Edited by: Ruze on 21/08/2008 21:13:56
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey
Quote:
Risk vs Reward.


Stopped reading here. This is pretty much an infallible indicator that whatever the poster is on about, they're entirely full of ****.


Level 4 missions don't need to be fixed. Hisec doesn't need to be fixed. There's nothing wrong with players being able to make steady isk doing work for NPC agents.

If anything, players in hisec should be able to be more secure. Increase the size of hisec, to at least the same size or more of nulsec, increase the amount of agents and other things, and allow players who are fully interested in doing nothing but PvE to do so.


This, not6hing but this, couldnt agree more

Terror Rising
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:43:00 - [49]
 

As I wrote a few days ago, I hopped in my Rohk battleship and did a few level 3 missions to get myself back into EVE, but those proved far too easy, and I was itching to try a level 4 mission solo. I have seen a fair share of level 4 missions when my old Corp run them together, but had never actually done one solo.So last night I was feeling brave (a dangerous thing in EVE) and decided to pick a level 4 up in Aband and see how it goes. I got Pirate Invasion (Sansha), which with a little research did not seem terrible difficult. Now my Rohk is not exactly expertly fitted (going to work on that tonight), featuring four 350mm tech I rails of various quality, two dual 250mm rails, and finally two 150mm tech II rails. An active shield tank of no doubt dubious quality, and some other fittings round out the mess that is my Rohk. Before my long hiatus I was seriously skill limited in what I could fit, but now since that is no longer the case, I really need to redo my setup.That said, I had the above last night, and warped into the first mission. Pirate Invasion starts you off with agro right off the bat, with some frigates, cruisers and a few battleships. I managed to down the frigates and dent a battleship before my cap ran out and I had to warp out. On my second warp in, I downed a cruiser before again having to bail. At that rate, it was going to be a long, long night, so I figured I might as well try local and see if I could get some help. Previous to the last patch, Kador had always been rather empty, but last night I found 8 other pilots in local, and managed to get the help of two in my mission. They were also running a level 4 and needed help, so the situation worked out well. Clearly knowing what they were doing, the two pilots, both in a dominix, warped in and had little trouble holding agro while we blasted the remaining Sansha ships to finish the mission. After a break, we warped over to their mission (I forget the name now) which was far more difficult. Even with the three of us, we could not do more than take out a battleship or two before having to warp. They called in more help, two more pilots showed up, and the five of us managed to clean the mess up.Still feeling good, and quickly swapping out the two 150mm rails for a 425mm and another dual 250mm (that was all Aband had for sale, and I was impatient), I picked up my second level 4 mission, and drew Gone Berserk, a reportedly very easy mission. Well flying a noob Rohk means anything ‘very easy’ is possibly doable, so I warped in. The mission starts with a few ships, and as you kill a ‘trigger’ ship, more spawn. Being a noob of course I mixed up who the trigger was, and always killed that one before I finished the previous group, no doubt making the mission harder than it needed to be. That said, after countless warp in/outs, I did indeed manage to solo my first level 4 mission, and collect a very nice bounty for it. Each battleship ranged from 500k to 1 million ISK, a huge sum when you have 11 million or so ISK in your bank account. In addition I looted a good amount of fittings, and hopefully a few will sell for a good amount. (just getting back into EVE, I have completely forgotten what is highly valued and what is trash.All in all it was a very successful night in EVE, one that left me wanting more. Hopefully I’ll be able to re-fit my Rohk to something more acceptable; I’m thinking all 350mm rails, a beefed up active tank (should I try passive?), and who knows what for the bottom slots. Some time will have to be spent searching the EVE forum’s for a good solution, but feel free to toss out any ideas here. At 15 million skill points, I can basically use almost anything short of tech II large rails (working on that), so I should have some good options.


Somealt Ofmine
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:45:00 - [50]
 

Whoa dude. This isn't a wall 'o text contest, regardless of how the OP appeared.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:47:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Terror Rising
As I wrote a few days ago, I hopped in my Rohk battleship and did a few level 3 missions to get myself back into EVE, but those proved far too easy, and I was itching to try a level 4 mission solo.

I have seen a fair share of level 4 missions when my old Corp run them together, but had never actually done one solo.So last night I was feeling brave (a dangerous thing in EVE) and decided to pick a level 4 up in Aband and see how it goes. I got Pirate Invasion (Sansha), which with a little research did not seem terrible difficult.

Now my Rohk is not exactly expertly fitted (going to work on that tonight), featuring four 350mm tech I rails of various quality, two dual 250mm rails, and finally two 150mm tech II rails. An active shield tank of no doubt dubious quality, and some other fittings round out the mess that is my Rohk. Before my long hiatus I was seriously skill limited in what I could fit, but now since that is no longer the case, I really need to redo my setup.

That said, I had the above last night, and warped into the first mission. Pirate Invasion starts you off with agro right off the bat, with some frigates, cruisers and a few battleships. I managed to down the frigates and dent a battleship before my cap ran out and I had to warp out. On my second warp in, I downed a cruiser before again having to bail.

At that rate, it was going to be a long, long night, so I figured I might as well try local and see if I could get some help. Previous to the last patch, Kador had always been rather empty, but last night I found 8 other pilots in local, and managed to get the help of two in my mission. They were also running a level 4 and needed help, so the situation worked out well.

Clearly knowing what they were doing, the two pilots, both in a dominix, warped in and had little trouble holding agro while we blasted the remaining Sansha ships to finish the mission. After a break, we warped over to their mission (I forget the name now) which was far more difficult. Even with the three of us, we could not do more than take out a battleship or two before having to warp.

They called in more help, two more pilots showed up, and the five of us managed to clean the mess up.Still feeling good, and quickly swapping out the two 150mm rails for a 425mm and another dual 250mm (that was all Aband had for sale, and I was impatient), I picked up my second level 4 mission, and drew Gone Berserk, a reportedly very easy mission. Well flying a noob Rohk means anything ‘very easy’ is possibly doable, so I warped in.

The mission starts with a few ships, and as you kill a ‘trigger’ ship, more spawn. Being a noob of course I mixed up who the trigger was, and always killed that one before I finished the previous group, no doubt making the mission harder than it needed to be. That said, after countless warp in/outs, I did indeed manage to solo my first level 4 mission, and collect a very nice bounty for it. Each battleship ranged from 500k to 1 million ISK, a huge sum when you have 11 million or so ISK in your bank account.

In addition I looted a good amount of fittings, and hopefully a few will sell for a good amount. (just getting back into EVE, I have completely forgotten what is highly valued and what is trash.All in all it was a very successful night in EVE, one that left me wanting more.

Hopefully I’ll be able to re-fit my Rohk to something more acceptable; I’m thinking all 350mm rails, a beefed up active tank (should I try passive?), and who knows what for the bottom slots. Some time will have to be spent searching the EVE forum’s for a good solution, but feel free to toss out any ideas here.

At 15 million skill points, I can basically use almost anything short of tech II large rails (working on that), so I should have some good options.




Paragraphs are wonderful, wonderful things. Remember the rule from grade school ... no more than five sentences!

Terror Rising
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:48:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
Whoa dude. This isn't a wall 'o text contest, regardless of how the OP appeared.


What?

More EVE reporting, as I had quite an eventful weekend in New Eden. It started off on a high note, as I was joined by two members of Black Lion Legion to assist me with a level 4 mission in Aband. I forget the name of the mission now (I should write this stuff down…) but it was tough and featured Blood Raiders. While we finished up the mission, we were joking about tough missions, and they both stated Blockade was the only one that really gave them trouble. They were both flying Ravens, one a standard Raven the other a Caldari Navy Raven, both fitted with tech II fittings. As luck would have it, my next mission was indeed Blockade, and since the two of them were already in the area, we all figured why not. The mission went nice and quick, as our three battleships had little trouble taking everything down. That night I made a nice chunk of ISK between the bounties and mission pay, plus earned a respectable amount of loyalty points, which I am saving up to buy a +5 implant, as I currently have a mix of +3 and +4’s. Last night did not go so well, as I drew Recon, then Angels Extravaganza, then Pirate Invasion, all missions I knew I could not solo. I was hoping to log on and do one quick mission, and bring out my new salvager ship (destroyer with 4x salvagers and 4x tractor beams) to test out. All that ended up happening was me losing about 1.2 standing with my level 4 agent, and not being able to do much of anything else. I did not have enough time to make asking for help worthwhile, and the normal hangout area for Black Lion Legion is about 10 jumps away. So far I’m impressed with them though just based off that one night of missions, and chatting with them in their general channel, enough so that I might pack up and fly my stuff over closer to their HQ. If nothing else, I can tag along when they mission and build my standings with the local agents. As for my Rohk, I made a few improvements to the setup, with some noticeable results. First I changed up the guns, going with 5x 350mm rails and 3x 425mm rails (still not tech II, got a bit of training before I can use those) all shooting antimatter ammo. With my current skills, that gives me an optimal of around 60k with the 425mm, and a bit less with the 350mm, more than enough to pick off cruisers and battleships. I have 5 Vespa II drones to deal with frigates and any cruisers that get too close. For the mid slots, I am currently running a T2 Large Shield Expander, T2 X-L Shield Booster, T2 Cap Recharger, T2 Shield Boost Amplifier, and two T1 Shield Hardeners (mission specific). A day or so of training will allow me to use T2 hardeners. The bottom slots feature two T2 Power Diagnostics Systems, two T2 Magnetic Field Stabilizers, and a T2 Targeting Enhancer. I currently do not have any rigs, but I’m planning to buy 3x CCC rigs shortly, which hopefully will help a great deal with cap energy. Currently with all 8 rails going, it’s very tough to run the X-L booster for more than just quick bursts. Anyone see any glaring errors with the setup? I’m still hurting for ISK, as I need to buy a Hulk and fittings for my mining pilot, the three CCC rigs for the Rohk, and eventually the T2 large rails. Currently my combat pilot sits at around 70 million ISK, and my miner at 35 million. Hopefully a few more nights of successful level 4 mission running will get me in a comfortable spot.


Somealt Ofmine
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:50:00 - [53]
 

Holy crap. A forum terrorist. Please, no more, we'll do whatever you say.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:51:00 - [54]
 

I hate you. And you. And you in the back. And you with the dreads. And you, yeah you, the big guy?!?

Lemme buy you a drink. Of course I don't hate you. Man, do you work out alot? I bet you could lift a car. Here's a beer.

Terror Rising
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:53:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Ruze
I hate you. And you. And you in the back. And you with the dreads. And you, yeah you, the big guy?!?

Lemme buy you a drink. Of course I don't hate you. Man, do you work out alot? I bet you could lift a car. Here's a beer.


Something about cheese? I dunno ... Yeah? Worthless thread = worthless thread ...

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:53:00 - [56]
 

Boost Low Sec give it better candy so people would risk going there.

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:55:00 - [57]
 

i run lvl 4's, BORING AS @£$€ in high-sec...

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:56:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Boost Low Sec give it better candy so people would risk going there.
THIS

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:57:00 - [59]
 

Hisec = patrolled by Empire and CONCORD.

Losec = patrolled by Empires, subject to being attacked by roving pirate bands.

Contested Losec = Patrolled by whatever Empire controls the system and it's players, subject to being overrun by angry Matari.

Nulsec = Patrolled by whatever alliance/corporation controls the system, and it's allies. Subject to being attacked by enemy alliances.

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.21 23:58:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
It's been asked for, it wont happen.



Took how many months before they nerfed stabalizers?

Took how many years before they added alliances, or FW?

When was the first time they advertised ambulation?

When was the first nano complaint? How many months did the b*tching haunt these forums?

Not saying it'll happen or they'll change anything. Just saying.
You could only cough up a few suggestions that actully went through? You do realize the amount of things ppl whine about that HAVEN'T gone though.

Confused


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