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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.25 14:41:00 - [451]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon

Shh, It is alright you do not have to scream.

The fact is I have lived in 0.0 and in Empire. I have done L4 Missions, Ratting, Mining, Complexes and I have shot at targets in Lowsec as well as 0.0. I know what I am talking about.

The whole concept of risk vs. reward is flawed from start. In reality it was always more like effort vs. reward. Until a year ago, owning certain T2 BPO was practically a license to print isk? Where was the risk in that. If you are in a real big 0.0 alliance, with more capital ships then all your concurrents combined and you have secured the most profitable moons, then reward also far outweighs the risk.

People always played the game in a way to maximise reward and minimising the risk.

To come back to L4. The missions do not have much risk, but also the reward is at best mediocre if you do not have Multi-Billion ISK Ship. There are lots of activities in EVE that are a lot more profitable. If you cannot see them and continue to repeat the flawed argument of risk vs. reward, then nothing can help you.

Please leave the game and whine on the Funcom Boards. Thank you.Smile


Seems you haven't been following this debate. You might understand why I feel the need to raise my voice (type in caps) when the arguments you present have been answered and countered dozens of times of the course of these threads. You have brought nothing new to the table, but simply rehash the same stupid arguments posted again and again.

The quoted post is so full of factual errors it would take me two or three posts to correct them all. Instead I'm going to take the lazy route and simply ask you to READ THE GOD DAMNED THREADS you nit wit!

Aarin Wrath
Caldari
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.25 14:49:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Steve Hawkings


Are you playing the same game as us ?
Missions have been nerfed over and over many, many times since release.


I'm actually starting to doubt playing the same game as you. Missions, since I started in 06, have been boosted time and again. Missioning in low-sec has been nerfed, yes, but not high sec missions.



Sorry Max but your incorrect. The loot tables for lvl4 missions, the mission payouts and bonuses have been nerfed several times.

The loot table nerfs are why practically nobody loots anymore. It's just not worth it. ugh

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 14:51:00 - [453]
 

Originally by: Aarin Wrath
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Steve Hawkings


Are you playing the same game as us ?
Missions have been nerfed over and over many, many times since release.


I'm actually starting to doubt playing the same game as you. Missions, since I started in 06, have been boosted time and again. Missioning in low-sec has been nerfed, yes, but not high sec missions.



Sorry Max but your incorrect. The loot tables for lvl4 missions, the mission payouts and bonuses have been nerfed several times.

The loot table nerfs are why practically nobody loots anymore. It's just not worth it. ugh


You two also seem to be comparing missions over different timelines. Max seems to be looking at the last two years, and the general increase in mission rewards (isk, bounties, LP, salvage, and loot), while you seem to be looking at the last six months to a year (decrease in loot tables, increase in loot size).

Both are right, it's just the perspective applied.

SSgt Sniper
Gallente
SSgt Sniper Temporary corp
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:02:00 - [454]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Aarin Wrath
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Originally by: Steve Hawkings


Are you playing the same game as us ?
Missions have been nerfed over and over many, many times since release.


I'm actually starting to doubt playing the same game as you. Missions, since I started in 06, have been boosted time and again. Missioning in low-sec has been nerfed, yes, but not high sec missions.



Sorry Max but your incorrect. The loot tables for lvl4 missions, the mission payouts and bonuses have been nerfed several times.

The loot table nerfs are why practically nobody loots anymore. It's just not worth it. ugh


You two also seem to be comparing missions over different timelines. Max seems to be looking at the last two years, and the general increase in mission rewards (isk, bounties, LP, salvage, and loot), while you seem to be looking at the last six months to a year (decrease in loot tables, increase in loot size).

Both are right, it's just the perspective applied.


They've been pimpslapping the loot tables for as long as I've played the game. Though they did at least try to halfass fix them once (making modules for frigs less likely to drop in BC and BS wreck/can). Which didn't work.


Aarin Wrath
Caldari
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:20:00 - [455]
 

Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 25/08/2008 15:20:38
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Aarin Wrath

Sorry Max but your incorrect. The loot tables for lvl4 missions, the mission payouts and bonuses have been nerfed several times.

The loot table nerfs are why practically nobody loots anymore. It's just not worth it. ugh


You two also seem to be comparing missions over different timelines. Max seems to be looking at the last two years, and the general increase in mission rewards (isk, bounties, LP, salvage, and loot), while you seem to be looking at the last six months to a year (decrease in loot tables, increase in loot size).

Both are right, it's just the perspective applied.


Actually I have been doing lvl4 missions since Red Moon Rising. Lvl4's were much more profitable back then.

As for the buffs Max refers to:


  • Bounties have not been increased.

  • LP rewards have not increased, unless you are taking the LP store as a boost to LP. But I doubt that since the LP store actually crashed the value of an LP to what it is now. One LP used to be worth quite alot.

  • Implants used to be a boon. Now they are worthless. (a +3 implant used to go for 30 million)

  • Loot tables have been nerfed several times. You dont get many named item drops anymore. BS wrecks are the only ones worth looting.



I am not certain where you got the idea I was only looking at six months to a year.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:26:00 - [456]
 

Originally by: Aarin Wrath
Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 25/08/2008 15:20:38
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Aarin Wrath

Sorry Max but your incorrect. The loot tables for lvl4 missions, the mission payouts and bonuses have been nerfed several times.

The loot table nerfs are why practically nobody loots anymore. It's just not worth it. ugh


You two also seem to be comparing missions over different timelines. Max seems to be looking at the last two years, and the general increase in mission rewards (isk, bounties, LP, salvage, and loot), while you seem to be looking at the last six months to a year (decrease in loot tables, increase in loot size).

Both are right, it's just the perspective applied.


Actually I have been doing lvl4 missions since Red Moon Rising. Lvl4's were much more profitable back then.

As for the buffs Max refers to:


  • Bounties have not been increased.

  • LP rewards have not increased, unless you are taking the LP store as a boost to LP. But I doubt that since the LP store actually crashed the value of an LP to what it is now. One LP used to be worth quite alot.

  • Implants used to be a boon. Now they are worthless. (a +3 implant used to go for 30 million)

  • Loot tables have been nerfed several times. You dont get many named item drops anymore. BS wrecks are the only ones worth looting.



I am not certain where you got the idea I was only looking at six months to a year.


Then you and I have far different experiences. I make far more in level 4 missions than I ever did two years back. Specifically when taking the LP store and salvaging.

But it's just another example that two players can see the same situation with completely opposing viewpoints.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:28:00 - [457]
 

Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette

Seems you haven't been following this debate. You might understand why I feel the need to raise my voice (type in caps) when the arguments you present have been answered and countered dozens of times of the course of these threads. You have brought nothing new to the table, but simply rehash the same stupid arguments posted again and again.

The quoted post is so full of factual errors it would take me two or three posts to correct them all. Instead I'm going to take the lazy route and simply ask you to READ THE GOD DAMNED THREADS you nit wit!



15 Pages of whines in a forum that is full of whines and you have not responded to a single argument and instead called me a nitwit, because I have not read all of these whines. Ok, I think it is safe to call you a troll.

Have you considered a therapy for your problems with anger managment?

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:36:00 - [458]
 



THIS PIRATE REVENGE THREAD IS NUCLEAR POWERED!


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Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:39:00 - [459]
 

Edited by: Ruze on 25/08/2008 16:02:13
Post constructively. ~Saint

You edit my post, and yet you fail to edit the attempted derailment that I was making a mockery of, just one post above mine?

That is f*cking hilarious. Laughing

Empyre
Chaotic Balance
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:39:00 - [460]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Fail. Do you realize how many years of whining and thousands of threads was required before ccp finally buffed amarr?

I fully expect ccp to nerf missions given enough whining about it, like how they nerfed titans, nanos, suicide ganking(which took what? 4 years of whining?), stabs, ECM, nos, etc.

CCP has shown that with enough whining they will make changes. So as long as we keep whining about L4s ccp will eventually nerf them.


i remember when you guys used to actually speak on the forums with a moderate amount of intelligence. you hate ccp so much now that they've made you play by the rules that you're willing to state they run the game simply based upon the frequency and quantity of whines on a given subject?

i'd go so far as to say that if a vast majority of the game decided something needed to be nerfed, that they'd find a way to make a semi-balanced change that compromised with the majority interest. but there's not even close to a majority interest in nerfing L4s, quite the opposite. many of your own alliance use alts to make isk with missions, especially when you guys were getting spanked all over the galaxy.

you guys should be well versed in the art of failure, though. i'll give you that much.

Kwedaras
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:54:00 - [461]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette


What? How the hell do you know what I want or how I think? I said, the problem for ME - meaning as I SEE IT - is that high sec has too big rewards in contrast to the risk taken. This I see as an imbalance. That's why I want it nerfed.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME WANTING ANYONE TO PLAY LIKE I DO.

I run missions in high sec. Why the hell would I want them nerfed if I want everyone to run missions in high sec? No, you are just suffering from the common delusion that everyone that wants high sec missions nerfed just wants to gank you in low sec.

SNAP OUT OF IT! THAT'S NOT WHY WE WANT THIS NERF!



Shh, It is alright you do not have to scream.

The fact is I have lived in 0.0 and in Empire. I have done L4 Missions, Ratting, Mining, Complexes and I have shot at targets in Lowsec as well as 0.0. I know what I am talking about.

The whole concept of risk vs. reward is flawed from start. In reality it was always more like effort vs. reward. Until a year ago, owning certain T2 BPO was practically a license to print isk? Where was the risk in that. If you are in a real big 0.0 alliance, with more capital ships then all your concurrents combined and you have secured the most profitable moons, then reward also far outweighs the risk.

People always played the game in a way to maximise reward and minimising the risk.

To come back to L4. The missions do not have much risk, but also the reward is at best mediocre if you do not have Multi-Billion ISK Ship. There are lots of activities in EVE that are a lot more profitable. If you cannot see them and continue to repeat the flawed argument of risk vs. reward, then nothing can help you.

Please leave the game and whine on the Funcom Boards. Thank you.Smile


yes, t2 bpos was and is(on some bpos) riskless isk printing machine. the lottery was total BS because some noob with crap agent and crap skills could won a ship bpo instantly, while players who devoted many sps in skills and was doing missions every day got nothing for years.
You might notice i used word "was". Yes, lottery got nerfed, invention was introduced. removing all t2 bpos would have been quite a shock to some players, as they have paid money (bought) bpos. so i understand ccps policy to let them be in game.
As for 0.0 example, this argument was discussed countless times. You see, to run lvl4s and get nice rewards and be immune to all hazards takes what, one single person? Now we look at 0.0: to get the best capital fleet and secure best moons takes what ? effort of a 2-3k people ? oh and try to split those moons among every member, you will get less than our casual mission runner. Also, if they have the best fleet in the game it means that they have worked hard. management worked good to recuit many pilots who are not afraid to fight, industrialist did a good job to build a ship for every one. leaders and fcs did a good job to outsmart opposing force.
Sure, there are better isk yielding activities in EVE than mission running, but in most cases you have to fight over limited resurces. Only missions give you 100% unlimited and safe isk.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.25 15:58:00 - [462]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Drunk Driver


THIS PIRATE REVENGE THREAD IS NUCLEAR POWERED!
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THIS BUM REPLY POST IS POWERED BY EXCREMENT!



Uh oh. I've pointed out the obvious nature of this thread and have made Ruze angry.


Oh my...





Laughing




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Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:04:00 - [463]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Drunk Driver

THIS PIRATE REVENGE THREAD IS NUCLEAR POWERED!
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THIS BUM REPLY POST IS POWERED BY EXCREMENT!

Uh oh. I've pointed out the obvious nature of this thread and have made Ruze angry.
Oh my...
Laughing
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Considering my post got edited and yours didn't, I think I won that bout.

Nana-nana-boo-boo! Laughing

Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:08:00 - [464]
 

Edited by: Duncan MacPherson on 25/08/2008 16:08:57
This thread is full of Win! Lets all whine and complain about what other people do. Waaaaa Waaaaa

Oh lets resort to calling people names because of what they choose to do in a game.
Waaaaa Waaaaa

Oh lets tell people they have to play a game like they do otherwise we will whine and call them names!
Waaaaa Waaaaa

You guys really are great. I keep refreshing this thread to hear more whines and watch more childish posts pop up. Its great. I think its fantastic that people find it so threatening that I made 30mil this weekend from doing a few level 4s. Its so awesome.

Like I said - this thread is filled with win!

*sits back and eats some popcorn*

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:18:00 - [465]
 

Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
Edited by: Duncan MacPherson on 25/08/2008 16:08:57
This thread is full of Win! Lets all whine and complain about what other people do. Waaaaa Waaaaa

Oh lets resort to calling people names because of what they choose to do in a game.
Waaaaa Waaaaa

Oh lets tell people they have to play a game like they do otherwise we will whine and call them names!
Waaaaa Waaaaa

You guys really are great. I keep refreshing this thread to hear more whines and watch more childish posts pop up. Its great. I think its fantastic that people find it so threatening that I made 30mil this weekend from doing a few level 4s. Its so awesome.

Like I said - this thread is filled with win!

*sits back and eats some popcorn*


I keep refreshing this thread for the very same reason as you.

And you have lived up to everyone's expectation of what this post should contain. Congratulation! You are now an official member of this threads community!

Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:30:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon

15 Pages of whines in a forum that is full of whines and you have not responded to a single argument and instead called me a nitwit, because I have not read all of these whines. Ok, I think it is safe to call you a troll.

Have you considered a therapy for your problems with anger managment?


Did you just read the nitwit part? I called you a nitwit because all your arguments have been answered over and over and over and over and over and over again. Each time some new clueless nitwit walzes into this thread and starts spewing the same flawed arguments, people like me have to sit and counter them. Each and every time.

I'm frankly getting a bit tired of people who can't be bothered to read the thread and see if what they thought was clever enough to post has already been posted and debunked.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:31:00 - [467]
 



Pirate revenge thread..........




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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:32:00 - [468]
 

Originally by: Ruze


I keep refreshing this thread for the very same reason as you.

And you have lived up to everyone's expectation of what this post should contain. Congratulation! You are now an official member of this threads community!


I love your signature. It says so much about you. It also tells me how much I should care about anything you say. lol....

I feel sorry for you that you care so much how others play this game. In fact how the majority of the players play this game. Drives ya nuts doesn't it. *wink*

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:34:00 - [469]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver


Pirate revenge thread..........

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Only if by 'pirate' you mean level 4 mission runner, and by 'revenge' you mean trying to discuss a perceived imbalance in the game. And by 'thread' you mean ... well specific forum topic.

If that's your definition, than you sir are 100% correct!

Congratulations!

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:36:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Drunk Driver


Pirate revenge thread..........

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Only if by 'pirate' you mean level 4 mission runner, and by 'revenge' you mean trying to discuss a perceived imbalance in the game. And by 'thread' you mean ... well specific forum topic.

If that's your definition, than you sir are 100% correct!

Congratulations!





Pirate revenge thread......




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Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:37:00 - [471]
 

Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
Originally by: Ruze


I keep refreshing this thread for the very same reason as you.

And you have lived up to everyone's expectation of what this post should contain. Congratulation! You are now an official member of this threads community!


I love your signature. It says so much about you. It also tells me how much I should care about anything you say. lol....

I feel sorry for you that you care so much how others play this game. In fact how the majority of the players play this game. Drives ya nuts doesn't it. *wink*


You should read my other replies in the many other topics discussing this same thing.

They say a lot about me, too. Taken together, they would imply that I have split personalities and cannot make up my mind on whether I support any one given side.

The signature is just a goad. A great one, too. Garners all kinds of fun comments Laughing

Disagreeing with someone is cool. Having differing points of view is cool. Posting with long 'whaaaas' and whines, and in said post complaining about the maturity and intelligence of the other posters?

Not cool, dude. Wink

Taco Raptorian
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.08.25 16:43:00 - [472]
 

How some people whine about how others play I can agree is just pathetic and none of their business.

What is everyones business is that the game is fun because otherwise we wouldn't play it. At least I wouldn't. What is fun is different for each person and maybe from day to day.

Just because you love the current state of L4 missions and that is what you do to get your isk doesn't mean everyone else does as well. It's just bad manners to sit on your "high spaceships" and laugh at others less fortunate.

Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2008.08.25 17:02:00 - [473]
 

I guess what really annoys the heck outta me is people touting all the high and mighty lvl 4 mission runners. They just sit in high space and print out isk by the bucket loads. Not all of us are like that and looking at the average number of SPs pilots have, most regular pilots doing missions aren't like that.

Myself I have alot of SPs since I have been playing awhile. I have done just about everything in this game. I run level 4s. In fact I did alot of lvl 4s this weekend. All and all I think I made about 30-50mil. Is that really so ground breaking - does me making 30-50 mil in a weekend totally ruin everyone else's game? Please explain to me how it does. Cause if it does ruin yall's game I can certainly pack it up and just bring out my two hulks and make hundreds of millions in a weekend. If that's what you guys would prefer please let me know.

While your at it since I am offering to correct the way I play the game since it effects yours, I would like all old large alliances to go ahead and give up some of their space in low sec and null space. I honestly think its pretty wrong that my gameplay is directly effected because I can not summon hundreds of capital ships to dig out these old alliances that will never leave. If you don't want us to stay in high sec and we can't move the old groups out of low sec/null space what are the small coprs/alliances supposed to do? Or am I to just load up a hauler with all my stuff and fly around until a blob finds me and nukes me? Please help me understand how I (a lvl 4 mission runner) has ruined yall's game play or I am the cause of the downfall of EvE.

Recordable disc
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.08.25 17:16:00 - [474]
 

...and what was the BIG risk on this one?

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=853973

Double standards imo

Kwedaras
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.08.25 17:21:00 - [475]
 

Edited by: Kwedaras on 25/08/2008 17:26:12
Originally by: Recordable disc
...and what was the BIG risk on this one?

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=853973

Double standards imo


actually, killing him involved no risk. i was lucky he was stupid enough to undock. the real risk would have been after the kill. I was station camped for sever hours, but decided to use nice tactic which is used by people who avoid combat. Thanks to npc corps.
yes, there are another threads how wardec system is broken, you can discuss there.

Mistress Evita
Caldari
Booze and Hookers
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:01:00 - [476]
 

Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
I run level 4s. In fact I did alot of lvl 4s this weekend. All and all I think I made about 30-50mil. Is that really so ground breaking - does me making 30-50 mil in a weekend totally ruin everyone else's game? Please explain to me how it does.

I got to go with this guy.

I have a high quality level 4 agent in High Sec. I do not run a lot of level 4 missions on weekends. I can do maybe one or two a day before I got friggen bananas. Out of those two, if I am lucky and pull the really good missions, I can make about 40 million isk from bounties, loot and salvage. If my missions get nerfed I'll just train up this here little woman to do mining and make my isk that way.

A bunch of friggen whinny little babies in this game. Mom! Mistress is making more isk then I am! Make it so she doesn't! And while you're at it put her in the backyard so I can kick sand done her panties!

If there were more people in this game the forums would be more entertaining then the game itself.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:07:00 - [477]
 

Originally by: Mistress Evita
Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
I run level 4s. In fact I did alot of lvl 4s this weekend. All and all I think I made about 30-50mil. Is that really so ground breaking - does me making 30-50 mil in a weekend totally ruin everyone else's game? Please explain to me how it does.

I got to go with this guy.

I have a high quality level 4 agent in High Sec. I do not run a lot of level 4 missions on weekends. I can do maybe one or two a day before I got friggen bananas. Out of those two, if I am lucky and pull the really good missions, I can make about 40 million isk from bounties, loot and salvage. If my missions get nerfed I'll just train up this here little woman to do mining and make my isk that way.

A bunch of friggen whinny little babies in this game. Mom! Mistress is making more isk then I am! Make it so she doesn't! And while you're at it put her in the backyard so I can kick sand done her panties!

If there were more people in this game the forums would be more entertaining then the game itself.


Heh, you don't think the other crowd, the 'Please daddy, the other players are being mean and hurting me' isn't just as funny?

You can't see them at the moment, cause we're a little overloaded with the 'nerf mission wh*res', but the 'all PvP is evil' crowd is just as entertaining.

What's more fun is to join in and make an internal mockery of both arguments, in my book.

Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Avatars of Ore
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:16:00 - [478]
 

Originally by: Ruze

Heh, you don't think the other crowd, the 'Please daddy, the other players are being mean and hurting me' isn't just as funny?

You can't see them at the moment, cause we're a little overloaded with the 'nerf mission wh*res', but the 'all PvP is evil' crowd is just as entertaining.

What's more fun is to join in and make an internal mockery of both arguments, in my book.


Both groups of people are equally annoying and idiotic. I may be a care bear empire hugger.. but the first thing I did in this game was learn how to PVP. Skill up for pvp skills/ships/mods. Its no secret that CCP made this a PVP game first and foremost. Anyone with half a brain cell realizes this and needs to adjust for it. But the other side of the coin people need to realize the majority of the people who play MMOs, any MMOs, do so as a PVE player. CCP has to cater to these people if they want people to play. The PVP crowd shouts nerf PVE and all it does is show them for the dolts they are.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:21:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
Originally by: Ruze

Heh, you don't think the other crowd, the 'Please daddy, the other players are being mean and hurting me' isn't just as funny?

You can't see them at the moment, cause we're a little overloaded with the 'nerf mission wh*res', but the 'all PvP is evil' crowd is just as entertaining.

What's more fun is to join in and make an internal mockery of both arguments, in my book.


Both groups of people are equally annoying and idiotic. I may be a care bear empire hugger.. but the first thing I did in this game was learn how to PVP. Skill up for pvp skills/ships/mods. Its no secret that CCP made this a PVP game first and foremost. Anyone with half a brain cell realizes this and needs to adjust for it. But the other side of the coin people need to realize the majority of the people who play MMOs, any MMOs, do so as a PVE player. CCP has to cater to these people if they want people to play. The PVP crowd shouts nerf PVE and all it does is show them for the dolts they are.


I find it funny, taking the current 'nerf level 4s' topic ... the posts where I side with the 'leave carebears alone' argument, the post lasts, at most, five or six pages.

But no, when I'm siding with the 'nerf carebears' crowd, it goes on for 20 pages.

What the hell?

Taco Raptorian
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.08.25 18:21:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: Mistress Evita
Originally by: Duncan MacPherson
I run level 4s. In fact I did alot of lvl 4s this weekend. All and all I think I made about 30-50mil. Is that really so ground breaking - does me making 30-50 mil in a weekend totally ruin everyone else's game? Please explain to me how it does.

I got to go with this guy.

I have a high quality level 4 agent in High Sec. I do not run a lot of level 4 missions on weekends. I can do maybe one or two a day before I got friggen bananas. Out of those two, if I am lucky and pull the really good missions, I can make about 40 million isk from bounties, loot and salvage. If my missions get nerfed I'll just train up this here little woman to do mining and make my isk that way.

A bunch of friggen whinny little babies in this game. Mom! Mistress is making more isk then I am! Make it so she doesn't! And while you're at it put her in the backyard so I can kick sand done her panties!

If there were more people in this game the forums would be more entertaining then the game itself.


It is the relative difference to others that is the big thing. You are forced to do this or else suffer the consequences of bad income.

I am speaking about my own point of view in low sec. If you "only" make 30-50 mil in a weekend I have a hard time countering that because I happen to live in another place in space. Yes I have chosen to live there but still shouldn't I be able to compete since we are actually playing the same game? Do we all have to do the same thing to be on equal terms?

What we can do in this game is unfortunately run by our wallets.
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