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David LeBatas
WOLIMAZO INC
Posted - 2008.08.14 15:27:00 - [1]
 

I got podkilled yesterday in a 0.8 system, while flying in a pod between to systems (relocating ships).

What I don't understand is, that I am not getting any kill rights against the other player. I've lost 80Mil+ ISK in implants, and I have no recourse on the bastard whatsoever.

I petitioned it to CCP, but they say:
"besides there is no kill right issues for a pod kill as intended. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and wish you a speedy recovery. "

Thanks a bunch. How is this fair?

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2008.08.14 15:34:00 - [2]
 

So you where suicide Pod killed or did you agro the killer first?

If someone upped and podded you for the pure pleasure of just killing you and they got concorded, then I would support this. But if you stole a heap of ore, and they attacked you in your POD then I would have to say.. I support CCP.

David LeBatas
WOLIMAZO INC
Posted - 2008.08.14 15:40:00 - [3]
 

Nope, I was on autopilot between two systems, simply flying back to pick up another ship.

I came back and found myself sitting in a clone vat, with all my +4 implants gone.

The main thing is, this happened in a 0.8 system on route, and the route was entirely in high-sec.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks

Posted - 2008.08.14 15:47:00 - [4]
 

The issue is pretty simple here.

A player shot at you, was probably concorded for doing so, and that should get you kill rights. It doesn't matter what you're in, if you lose your current transportation ship even a POD you should get Kill Rights.

Supported As long as you where not part of a War Dec, Faction Wars, or had Agro on someone.

David LeBatas
WOLIMAZO INC
Posted - 2008.08.14 15:52:00 - [5]
 

Please do not post private correspondences with CCP staff on the forums. ~Saint

David LeBatas
WOLIMAZO INC
Posted - 2008.08.14 15:54:00 - [6]
 

And no, we are neither at war, nor had the other player kill rights or anything.

Fahtim Meidires
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.14 16:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: David LeBatas
Please do not post private correspondences with CCP staff on the forums. ~Saint


My guess is that it's an intended feature.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2008.08.14 16:59:00 - [8]
 

I find it dificult to give you support considering you where using autopilot.

IF you where not using autopilot you would have likely not been killed as warping to 0 meters to your gate of choice would allow you to quickly escape.

I do have issue with the fact that you didn't get kill rights... I'd think you would considering what took place... but then you have yet to confirm if CONCORD took said player out... after all it is high sec...and if you where autopiloting.... your likely to have been killed at a stargate..... and CONCORD camps those frequently.....

I'd say someone was either really stupid... or just really mad at you... but it goes back to the first rule I learned when I started playing this game.
You don't autopilot unless your willing to risk your skin.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.08.14 17:58:00 - [9]
 

This really isn't a proposal and does not belong in the Assmebly Hall portion of the forums.

In the situation you describe, you get kill rights. Examine the wording of your petition for flaws in the information it contains. If you find a flaw, repetition. If you find no flaw, file a petition against the GM who first responded. This will escalate the matter to a more senior member of the GM team for review.

Windjammer

RedlegSA
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.08.14 20:53:00 - [10]
 

I believe that I will go podhunting in a cheap ship thanks for the idea

Windjammer

Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.08.14 20:59:00 - [11]
 

Don't undock with implants you can't afford to lose?


Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.08.14 21:08:00 - [12]
 

I wish people would read. He's not ****ing and moaning that he got podded on autopilot FFS. He thinks he should get killrights on the aggressor and I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.

Supported.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.14 21:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
I wish people would read. He's not ****ing and moaning that he got podded on autopilot FFS. He thinks he should get killrights on the aggressor and I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.

Supported.

David LeBatas
WOLIMAZO INC
Posted - 2008.08.14 22:02:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: David LeBatas on 14/08/2008 22:02:39
The reason I am posting this here is related to the response I got from the GM, which I am not allowed to quote it seems.

The main point is, that the GM described this as an intended result (meaning, me not getting kill rights after a pod kill). However, everyone I am telling this to, thinks this doesn't make sense and it mad.

IF this is indeed as intended by CCP, then this is something that needs to be changed. Hence the reason I am turning to the CSM.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2008.08.14 22:20:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
I wish people would read. He's not ****ing and moaning that he got podded on autopilot FFS. He thinks he should get killrights on the aggressor and I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.

Supported.


Originally by: Drake Draconis
I do have issue with the fact that you didn't get kill rights... I'd think you would considering what took place... but then you have yet to confirm if CONCORD took said player out... after all it is high sec...and if you where autopiloting.... your likely to have been killed at a stargate..... and CONCORD camps those frequently.....

Cool

Internet Knight
The Kobayashi Maru
Posted - 2008.08.15 00:07:00 - [16]
 

Not receiving kill rights for pods in highsec is rather silly, I'll agree.

I'm curious... did you have a huge bounty or have a low sec status or something?

TBH, I would file a bug report about it. If the bug report says that it's an intended feature, then I would continue to ask for change from the CSM. If, however, the bug report states that it's a new issue (or God forbid a known issue that the GM didn't know about), then I would state such in your petition and ask that the GM give you kill rights.

Etien Aldragoran
Legitimate Corporation
Posted - 2008.08.15 00:39:00 - [17]
 

Should have used a shuttle. Autopiloting an implant pod is not smart. I think this is a good mechanic.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.15 01:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Should have used a shuttle. Autopiloting an implant pod is not smart. I think this is a good mechanic.


Nobody is denying its stupidity. They're just asserting its criminality. Since the guy did get Concorded afterwards, I should imagine kill rights are also in order.

Fahtim Meidires
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.

Posted - 2008.08.15 02:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Should have used a shuttle. Autopiloting an implant pod is not smart. I think this is a good mechanic.


Nobody is denying its stupidity. They're just asserting its criminality. Since the guy did get Concorded afterwards, I should imagine kill rights are also in order.


This. Even stupid people are protected by the legal system. I would have thought a pod kill would result in more than a kill right (maybe lasts longer) rather than no kill right at all.

I noticed (before it got deleted) that a CCP representative said this was an intended mechanic. Any explanation? Some RP reason from CCP would change my mind immediately, but common logic points the other way.

Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2008.08.15 07:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
I wish people would read. He's not ****ing and moaning that he got podded on autopilot FFS. He thinks he should get killrights on the aggressor and I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.

Supported.



David LeBatas
WOLIMAZO INC
Posted - 2008.08.15 08:59:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Internet Knight
Not receiving kill rights for pods in highsec is rather silly, I'll agree.

I'm curious... did you have a huge bounty or have a low sec status or something?

TBH, I would file a bug report about it. If the bug report says that it's an intended feature, then I would continue to ask for change from the CSM. If, however, the bug report states that it's a new issue (or God forbid a known issue that the GM didn't know about), then I would state such in your petition and ask that the GM give you kill rights.



My sec rating is 1.61 and I have no bounties, nor do I engage in criminal acts. I have never been in touch or involved with the agressor, nor were we wardeced etc. This happened two jumps away from Jita, while autopiloting a pod back to a system, after driving a ship over there. There were no shuttles available in the system and it didn't fit in the hold, so it is a bit rich to call me stupid because I flew in a pod.
However, this is neigher here nor there. This issue relates to me not getting kill rights after after being killed in high sec.

The GM maintains that this is an intended feature, though the logic of this entirely escapes me.


 

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