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Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.08.14 10:57:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If the OP had used a goon or (someone else that everyone loves to hate), then half the people here telling him he's an ******* for doing this would be cheering him on instead.


I find it unlikely that anyone would use goons as trusted third party in any transaction.

Anyway. Cribba is just very very prominent player and thus this case is somewhat 'high profile'. And as ill intent was clearly present then the op got what was coming for him. There is reason why real humans review all those petitons on case to case basis. There are prodedures in place to escalate petitions should one feel to suffer from some GM injustice. EULA is not juridical document you can take into court, GM's are those who are there judging what is and what is not allowed, they don't do so from their own infinite wisdom but follow CCP policies. EULA is just rough guideline so you would know what to expect if you do this or that.

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.14 11:00:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.


Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.


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Skylar Keenan
Amarr
Posted - 2008.08.14 11:13:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Skylar Keenan on 14/08/2008 11:13:34
First off; I can of course see why Chribba wouldn't want to be impersonated. If I had built the same reputation it'd **** me off too.

BUT apart from that I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed. If you're handing over 15b ISK to a 3rd party, at least make bloody damn sure that it's the right one. It'll take what? 5 minuttes to check all the failsaves...

If people fall for a similar name (and the portrait wasn't even the same, not to mention the employment history) I want to know where they live and claim to be their banker, and see if they'll hand over their entire savings to cover their "mortgage" without even checking my credentials. Shocked

edit: very important spelling mistake

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2008.08.14 11:22:00 - [154]
 

The GM decision is the correct one, and there's plenty of precedent for it - in particular, with people trying to impersonate EBANK or BIG Lottery staff.

whip'd cream
Posted - 2008.08.14 11:53:00 - [155]
 

I will never order them strippers in police uniforms again !!!

Man, tbh i think what you did was perfectly ok, your name isn't cribba, nor did you claim to be him, yea it's the buyers fault for not checking info's, and if CCP has removed your iskies then i can see alot of petitions going in (and by rights CCP will now need to refund 9/10 scam's)

TYVM for bringing this to the attention of the forums we now know you cant be scammed by a char that sounds like a respectable char

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2008.08.14 11:56:00 - [156]
 

It is good that leeches and parasites like the original poster get spanked by CCP.

Everyone knows what you were trying to do, and you if you can't see the damage you do to the game by doing such leeching then you're more blind than those trying to use Chri8ba's trade service.

Well played GMs. Wink

viaticae
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:02:00 - [157]
 

This is just further proof that CCP is now catering to, and promoting, care bears.

Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:05:00 - [158]
 

I thought scamming was allowed???





viaticae
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:06:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Roshan longshot
I thought scamming was allowed???







We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:07:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Roshan longshot
I thought scamming was allowed???



Scamming is. Impersonating is not.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:08:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot
I thought scamming was allowed???



We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.


Vet's are the original owners of their names usually Wink Would you not think ? Afterall hinting that one is vet kinda generates assumtion that he/she has been playing for a long while.

Zun Da
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:12:00 - [162]
 

Hahhaha

You made a character with almost the exact name of Chribba, copied his bio and made everything so that people would believe you are the 'real' Chribba so that they would trust you with their mothership trades? All against the rules of course.

And now CCP pwnd you and you come to the forums and whine about it? That is funny.




There can be only one CHRIBBA!!!

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:14:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/08/2008 12:24:43

Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus
To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.

Regards,

GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bull**** on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULL****. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.



I had a think about it as to why it things would be as they are. That there would be no recompance in posts like 106 I posted etc... And I came up with...

To some part a GM's interpretation, a player may not...

-CREATE a char for the sole purpose of impersonation and using it for a scam.

I think it's like 1st and 2nd degree murder.

If it's premeditated and you abuse the disposable alt system then it's a nono, if you just happen to see a fitting victim pass by in local (like case in post 106) then it would appear that it's ok.

But then that leads on to what others have already put, then why is it ok to use disposable alts for all kinds of regular scamming?

But this all falls flat on the part "By simply claiming you are the alt of someone."

So I'm at a loss on this one.


You know though, just to point out, I made this name, pretty much like everyone else made their variants, because what they wanted was taken. The real Spindizzy was played at some time but now just rots away as an npc corp character.

Although if it was a person that was around, it would be a helluva convincing scam for me to impersonate them.

You know how small the font is in eve, a lot of people including myself think the number 5 is the letter S in my name most of the time, they don't tend to notice unless you point it out to them.

Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:14:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.

The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.

It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.

They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:

http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp

Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.

Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??

I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.

In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:

Tips

* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you.
* Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is.
EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.

Thanks for your time,

EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA





I think what you did was fine...

You gotta be pretty dumb not to check who you're dealing with carefully...

And after people used lag in jita to get away with the trade scams and CCP said that wasn't an exploit...

Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:15:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.


Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.


It wasn't a serious comment. I'm sorry that text doesn't quite convey sarcasm well. Maybe i should have used more smilies? RazzRazzRazzRazzRazz


Smilies make everything better <3

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Skylar Keenan

First off; I can of course see why Chribba wouldn't want to be impersonated. If I had built the same reputation it'd **** me off too.

BUT apart from that I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed.


Because it is in the EULA expressivly forbidden. You can also say that you cannot see any reason for not selling isk on ebay, not using macros etc. because all that is something what YOU want to do.

But it is not your game. You are not setting the rules. It is CCP who is setting the rules. If you cannot accept these rules, go elsewhere.

If they say, impersonating other chars (and it doesn't matter if they are famous or not) is forbidden, then it is the best (any only) reason why not to use such a method. If you don't care and violate the eula, you will have to live with the consequences.

Steve Hawkings
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: viaticae
This is just further proof that CCP is now catering to, and promoting, care bears.


QFT

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:42:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot
I thought scamming was allowed???







We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.


This rule has always been in place.
Wtf are you on about?

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2008.08.14 12:53:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot
I thought scamming was allowed???







We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.


This rule has always been in place.
Wtf are you on about?
Do yourself a favor and don't try to understand it.

I felt like an idiot while reading this thread because I couldn't for the life of me figure what everyone was on about.

Then I realized most are mentally handicapped trolls who don't have two brain-cells to rub together.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2008.08.14 13:00:00 - [170]
 

Reading this thread makes me cry. Sure, some of the stupid comments are trolls, but there is going to be at least one person (other than the OP) who really is that lacking in common sense Neutral

Concorduck
Gallente
Posted - 2008.08.14 13:11:00 - [171]
 

scamming is allowed till you impersonate someone (be it "i'm alt of jesus" or by mistyping the name, like the op did).


thread was over 4 pages ago

Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
Posted - 2008.08.14 13:35:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.

The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.

It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.

They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:

http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp

Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.

Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??

I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.

In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:

Tips

* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you.
* Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is.
EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.

Thanks for your time,

EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA






I didn't knew Chribba was either a NPC, a CCP employee or CCP representative?


* Impersonate or parody any employee or representative of EVE Online, CCP, Customer Support personnel or volunteers.
* Impersonate or parody an NPC type from the EVE game world (i.e. CONCORD or other official NPC corporation or organization members) for the purpose of misleading other players.
* Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups.
* Be obscene, vulgar, sexually explicit, offensive, hurtful, harmful, promote drugs, profane, anti-gay, and ethnically, racially or sexually offensive or impart any real-world hostility toward a specific nationality, race or religion.

Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
Posted - 2008.08.14 13:37:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
The GM decision is the correct one, and there's plenty of precedent for it - in particular, with people trying to impersonate EBANK or BIG Lottery staff.


In that case the rules should be adjusted since they currently don't have anything against impersonating a player.

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2008.08.14 13:44:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Akita T
EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."

While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.


This is easily the ****tiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2008.08.14 14:06:00 - [175]
 

Identity Theft is a CRIME in the majority of the world, INCLUDING virtual identity in an increasing number of countries

Quote:
I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.

The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money


quoting the first two lines of the OP to point out it wasn't a "mistaken" case of identity theft, but in fact a calculated attempt

to those of you defending it...

Please scan me a copy of your drivers liscence, you won't mind that I ruin your credit, reputation, and possibly even get you put in prison.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2008.08.14 14:07:00 - [176]
 

CCP can interpret their rule set however they like.

CCP can rewrite their rule set whenever they like.

Problem?

Take it elsewhere.


Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.08.14 14:09:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Akita T
EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."

While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.


This is easily the ****tiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.



It says excatly what it reads. You indeed are not allowed to impersonate any EVE player for whatever reasons. Be it then picking similar portrait and char name (not to mention coping his char name and creating corp with similar name and logo) or even just claiming 'I'm sir molle's alt'. No matter if your target is celebrity or some regular nobody.

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2008.08.14 14:12:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Akita T
EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."

While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.


This is easily the ****tiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.



It says excatly what it reads. You indeed are not allowed to impersonate any EVE player for whatever reasons. Be it then picking similar portrait and char name (not to mention coping his char name and creating corp with similar name and logo) or even just claiming 'I'm sir molle's alt'. No matter if your target is celebrity or some regular nobody.


so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2008.08.14 14:15:00 - [179]
 

I also find it funny how people are bringing up mentions of peopel impersonating In-Game investment personalities. Howcome theres protection against losing your ISK to an imposter, but theres none whatsoever for losing your ISK to these outright scams of IPOs and "Banks"??

It's one or the other, CCP...make a decision, and apply it universally.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.08.14 14:31:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Seeing EyeDog

so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.


Bcos you have not petitioned them ? Assuming you are 'the oldest' of all those variations you would not have problem getting some more 'citizen xxxxx' chars out there while keeping your own name. CCP yanks those chains only if anyone petitions the name.


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