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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:19:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Name was spelled CHRI8BA.EVECitizen


This is close enough to get hit with this:

Originally by: Forum Rules
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.


So, yea, the GM decision was correct. Your name was close enough to imply you are Chribba, and thus circumvent the normal functioning of the game and forum.

Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:23:00 - [32]
 

I hate scammers but the dude does deserve his isk back.

If you are stupid enough to make a trade like that... well... you are ****ing stupid and the EULA does not protect you. I'm sure chribba would agree that scamming is lame but happens everyday in the way described.... taking the money because he tried to impersonate chribba is is kind of underhanded on the part of CCP. They need to obey their own rules.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:23:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.

Quote:
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.


I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.

EVECitizen

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:26:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:30:50

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.

Quote:
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.


I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.

EVECitizen



okay, if you are playing that card...

.... in your case is different,

since you didnt really work for the scam =P


CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)


you just rode on another person's reputation....


hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.

edit:
Remember, the reputation Chribba built over the years would be... ahem... yeah, nullified the paranoia in most people's mind...


granted, is GOOD to be paranoid about everything, and I not saying what you did is wrong....


is just the method is errrm... yeah... you were using another's reputation....even if you arent explicitly doing it.....




is bad when OTHER people suffer the consequences (aside from your mark...) of your scam...


so.. yeah, use your own name/reputation.... instead of an alt named like someone whos established and trusted for scamming.


(can you honestly say your char used to scam is your main?.... is really hard to believe you just happen to make this char with this name and scammed someone with it without thinking: Gee, maybe this guy's name might help me scam)

Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:27:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.

Quote:
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.


I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.

EVECitizen


The rules are not murky, they are very clear. Scam away, just don't use someone else's name to do it. Trying to be Chirbba because he's a known name (and trustworthy) is what got you in trouble.

If you had used a name no one ever heard of, you'd still have your scam isk.

Also, you're a low life piece of $%^@. DIAF.

Very Happy

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:28:00 - [36]
 

The GMs did the correct thing. We had this happen to a corp member a few years ago. The offender changed and l to a 1 and copied the character's bio. The GMs came down hard on the identity thief, as they should have.

You're free to do what you want, so long as you're not trying to impersonate someone. I don't care if you try to scam me, but if you do it with a player named Fnog, I'll act accordingly.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:29:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Mika Meroko
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.

Quote:
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.


I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.

EVECitizen



okay, if you are playing that card...

.... in your case is different,

since you didnt really work for the scam =P


CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)


you just rode on another person's reputation....


hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.



Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'

EVECitizen

Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:32:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743

Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'

EVECitizen


HOLD!
This guy you scammed had Chirbba on Buddy and still fell for it?

I reverse my previous point, that guy got the screwing he deserved.

Still, don't steal identities.

Alielious
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:32:00 - [39]
 

oops! Sounds like it went somewhat wrong for you there...Laughing

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:33:00 - [40]
 

Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.

Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.

So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:35:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jimer Lins
Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.

Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.

So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.


Would have prefered a slapped bottom tbh :)

EVECitizen

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:36:00 - [42]
 

I am chribba

SKUNK

Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:37:00 - [43]
 

this smells...

Lillian D'Florite
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:37:00 - [44]
 

Do not pyramid quote - Mitnal


okay, if you are playing that card...

.... in your case is different,

since you didnt really work for the scam =P


CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)


you just rode on another person's reputation....


hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.



Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'

EVECitizen


yeah, still.. no stealing/mis-representing identities...

people dont like that, no matter how amoral the arguments you use on the EULA...

CCP's rules, CCP doesnt like mis-representing/stealing of people's identities...


edit: but man, there are stupidly rich people out there....

just the method is not cool =P




EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:38:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Jimer Lins
Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.

Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.

So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.


So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.

EVECitizen

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:39:00 - [46]
 

With impersinations being all the rage I cannot see how aliases would be a bad addition to the game, people would then know about the possibility of you not being you and correlate previous employment with known aliases to know for a fact that they're dealing with the right guy.

In short, check my signature link and support the cause, there really is no reason not to.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:39:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
I am chribba

SKUNK


No your a numpty

EVECitizen

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:41:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:46:50

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.

Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.

So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.


So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.

EVECitizen


I think the GM would take into consideration of how long the char has been around....



let say, if the original person is 3 years old, good standing (with GM, and doesnt break EULA, have a reputation.... *sidenote: Chribba is kinda ... like.. staff...unofficaly he does host the file service for Eve... for free (to us, but cost him real life money.) )..

VS an alt thats under 1 mill SP, with similar name, made 2 weeks ago.. and scams people....

yeah.....


it would be different if the other char is 2 years old, distingishable, and such....


if it looks like an alt... it probley would get changed.


the key in this case is that you JUST have to pick Chribba...


now, if you used "murdur one" or "La Shunk"... then it wouldnt be a problem I dont think.

edit: but they (the owners) can still hit ya with the EULA... is just that I dont think they would care to enforce it. lol =P


Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:45:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.

Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.

So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.


So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.

EVECitizen


Only if they did it with the intent of impersonating that character. In your case, it's so obvious it doesn't even bear investigation. In other cases, the GM would probably look at the accounts, see if they have any history, check the logs to see if there was an attempt to impersonate them, etc.

If it's just a coincidence of names, they'd ignore it. It's really not hard to figure out.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:47:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.

Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.

So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.


So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.

EVECitizen


Only if they did it with the intent of impersonating that character. In your case, it's so obvious it doesn't even bear investigation. In other cases, the GM would probably look at the accounts, see if they have any history, check the logs to see if there was an attempt to impersonate them, etc.

If it's just a coincidence of names, they'd ignore it. It's really not hard to figure out.



I'm not having a hard time figuring that out I just don't think it should be that way.

EVECitizen

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:48:00 - [51]
 

Do not pyramid quote - Mitnal

Dristra
Amarr
Idle Haven
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:48:00 - [52]
 

I had sympaty for you op, until you started saying ccp is being favorable just because its CHRIBBA...

Davina Braben
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:50:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Davina Braben on 13/08/2008 22:50:52
Quote:
It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??


It would have taken you 10 seconds to check the EULA or search the forums.

Critical fumble.

Panzerr
Gallente
Capra Cu Trei Iezi
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:50:00 - [54]
 

"Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba."

Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.


"Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him."

If he didn't tell them he is Chribba, he wasn't impersonating anyone. They assumed he is someone else and that is not his fault. I suppose he didn't say "I'm Chribba, i love veldspar, i mine with a dread, etc". And Chribba is not the only one doing the capital trade thing, right?

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:52:00 - [55]
 

Yawn. It amazes me people still try to name scam, when no matter who it is they name scam CCP will reimburse the lost ISK and change names of the offenders or ban them (I assume this only happens on repeat attempts). I've personally dealt with over a dozen name scamming petitions, it doesn't matter who the player is you're trying to impersonate. Remember kids, learn the rules.

Davina Braben
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:52:00 - [56]
 

Quote:
Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.


Twaddle.

Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:53:00 - [57]
 

Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)

I don't see anything wrong with this, or that it's any different than any other scam that CCP has not punished anyone for. The victim at any time could have verified with the real Chribba whether it was him or not had he/she done even a TOKEN effort to check things out.

Anyone that careless entering into a transaction for a supercap deserves to be scammed.

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:54:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:56:45


Originally by: Panzerr
"Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba."

Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.


"Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him."

If he didn't tell them he is Chribba, he wasn't impersonating anyone. They assumed he is someone else and that is not his fault. I suppose he didn't say "I'm Chribba, i love veldspar, i mine with a dread, etc". And Chribba is not the only one doing the capital trade thing, right?


Actually...

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743

Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'

EVECitizen




he waited for the real Chribba to log.. and yeah... "a certain amount of social engineering on my part" implies manipulation...

in this case it is impersonation.

edit: damn quotes


yeah, is kinda like using someone's esle's credit card...


most store clerks would assume that you are using your own....

one with your own name on it =P

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:57:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Richard Angevian
Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)



FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:03:00 - [60]
 

Ah well was worth a try :)

EVECitizen


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