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EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 21:57:00 - [1]
 

I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.

The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.

It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.

They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:

http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp

Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.

Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??

I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.

In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:

Tips

* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you.
* Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is.
EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.

Thanks for your time,

EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA



Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.08.13 21:58:00 - [2]
 

owned

and deserved.

hail the real Chribba!

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
owned

and deserved.

hail the real Chribba!


I fail to seee how I was 'owned' but thanks for your input.

EVECitizen

The Herrick
Gallente
Autistic Sharks
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 - [4]
 

Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 - [5]
 

harsh

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:02:00 - [6]
 

dunno, your iskies are gone though.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:03:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: The Herrick
Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.


Thats exactly what i'm thinking. If it had been anyone else would CCP have done the same thing?

EVECitizen

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:04:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
dunno, your iskies are gone though.


I have plenty more :)

EVECitizen

Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:05:00 - [9]
 

You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 - [10]
 

EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."

While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 - [11]
 

I don't remember where it's written, but I'm pretty sure that, specifically using your player name to impersonate another player (IE CHR1BBA instead of CHRIBBA) is against the EULA (or maybe it's the TOS? I honestly don't remember). I remember a few other people who got the same treatment.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Joey Meow
You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.




he says he never todl them he was chribba which means he was'nt impersoanting anyone then again I am not sure I believe him that he never tried to actual claim to be him.

Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Joey Meow on 13/08/2008 22:07:18
Originally by: Rules
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.



Look above OP... that's for you. I say you should have been banned for your stupidity and inability to read.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 - [14]
 

that and we have a corp in our alliance that has an eight "8" rather than a "B"

I didn't notice until I saw a kill on our killboard with one of their members Laughing

Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 - [15]
 

I don't think that the GM who handled that case made the correct decision. If you have not already, I would suggest petitioning and asking for clarification of which section of the EULA states it is not allowed to impersonate other players. If you have already petitioned, then escalate it.

I understand from the EULA that it is against the rules to impersonate CCP employees or a NPC official and that sort of thing, but impersonating players has been OK...

Maybe the GM is under the mistaken impression that chribba is an NPC?

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:10:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:11:11
Is CCP's rules....


so, yeah....


and yeah, is easy to accidentally impersonate another,

my RL name is very similar to a recent-new-hollywood celebrity name.....



and BOOM ... tons of people trying to add me to facebook....

and I dont think she have facebook >.<


....


so yeah, if I do something say:

please sent me $$$$ for my tour fund/whatever,


and people actually send money...

the one who actually is a star can probley (or somebody else... probley the manager) for misusing her fame...


thats bad =P even if I dont say I am not her....

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:10:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Joey Meow
You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.




1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)

2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

EVECitizen

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 - [18]
 

I do applaud you for reading the EULA at least, considering 99% of the forum posters shove their foot in their mouth when the answer they needed is right on the end user agreement.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Billy Sastard
I don't think that the GM who handled that case made the correct decision. If you have not already, I would suggest petitioning and asking for clarification of which section of the EULA states it is not allowed to impersonate other players. If you have already petitioned, then escalate it.

I understand from the EULA that it is against the rules to impersonate CCP employees or a NPC official and that sort of thing, but impersonating players has been OK...

Maybe the GM is under the mistaken impression that chribba is an NPC?


I have petitioned already on clarification of this very point.

EVECitizen

Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:12:00 - [20]
 

That is pretty odd that they would do that. It doesn't seem fair unless Chribba is a volunteer or an employee, but to my understanding, he's just a popular player.

If that's the case then, I would like the person who has a similar character name to mine who pretends to be me warned or have their name changed.

Any GM's care to clarify in general here?

Lillian D'Florite
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow
You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.




1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)

2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

EVECitizen



you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...

sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him

Truk Mei
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 - [22]
 


Be happy that CCP didn't perma-ban your account.

Personally, I think it is okay to scam others as long as it only involves in game mechanics, in game items and the scam stays in game. Basically, players tricking or fooling other players.

It is interesting how CCP will let some scams carry on over and over that do hurt game play yet they will swing the ban stick fast and hard at some scams that seem less or equally harmful.



Okay, back to playing the game.

Toodles ugh







Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 - [23]
 

Identity theft is a crime. You should have been banned.

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:14:08
Originally by: Nexa Necis
That is pretty odd that they would do that. It doesn't seem fair unless Chribba is a volunteer or an employee, but to my understanding, he's just a popular player.

If that's the case then, I would like the person who has a similar character name to mine who pretends to be me warned or have their name changed.

Any GM's care to clarify in general here?



he volunteers Eve... cant remember name.. the Server/download for stuff for eve thing....

he keeps that service running for people.. for free... (which costs him RL money..)



Edit: and as for name changes, it is only when you do something screwy with the names where it gets into bad ettiqute/legality issues....


Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 13/08/2008 22:15:01
Actually, this has happened before.

One of the folks I know in game ran an in game **** site for a while, accessed gained for an isk fee (no joke). A scammer set up a character with a very similar name to try and scam some payments, and it worked.

The scam was petitioned by my friend, and the scammer had his name changed.

To the best of my knowledge, the in game **** site has been inactive for a while now (friend is busy with other stuff).

Edit: **** is a 4 letter word that begins with "p"

Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:14:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Joey Meow on 13/08/2008 22:15:41
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow
You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.




1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)

2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

EVECitizen



you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...

sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him


How was your name spelled?

Edit:

I am fairly certain that ANYONE who was ever interested in making a purchase on EVE Online forums that can not go through the "regular" channels, like contracts, for example, and requires some degree of trust has heard of Chribba. Whether they have taken a chance and did not use him, is a different story.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:14:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow
You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.




1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)

2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

EVECitizen



you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...

sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him


If your looking to buy a mothership you should have and NEED to have heard of him :)

EVECitizen

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:15:00 - [28]
 

Pyramid quoting is prohibited.Applebabe

Name was spelled CHRI8BA.

EVECitizen

Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:15:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:17:37
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow
You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.

You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ÇHRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.




1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)

2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

EVECitizen



you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...

sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him


If your looking to buy a mothership you should have and NEED to have heard of him :)

EVECitizen



Key being: heard of....

edit:
and yeah, can ya show us exactly what you said to get the buyer interested?...

I mean, yeah, even if you specifically didn't say you are him.. but did not deny it either...

it gets into murky realms....



sure, in eve that might be or not be fine....

(since eve encourages scamming etc....)


but yeah, in RL or just etiquette courtesy wise.... is a big big no no....
so you cant blame the buyer... for using whats errrm, normal in the real world...


(granted, imo, you could keep the money though...)

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.08.13 22:18:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.

Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.

Quote:
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:

'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'

Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.

Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.


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