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Spectre3353
Gallente
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2008.08.12 14:31:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: hired goon
Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.


http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Spectre3353&id=3382186&page=36&filter=kills#mail

What do I win????

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.12 14:42:00 - [32]
 


Quote:
lol.. what?

It's clear that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. You're going on your own idea of the other races and absolutly no experience.

The grass is always greener on ther other side, come back when you actually have some experience with the other races.


3/10. 1 point for the eve knowledge attack and 1 point for lack of experience attack, 1 point for end paragraph dismissal.

You're not harnessing your troll power effectively as you could here.

But feel free to come back and try again. Very Happy


Originally by: Trojanman190
Edited by: Trojanman190 on 12/08/2008 14:29:43
Omg... I can't believe Lyria isnt here yet.

Crusader. Great / common anti interceptor interceptor.
Curse. This ship is just awesome... anti nano, anti support, anti bs... its great.
Guardian. Fantastic logisitcs ship. Creates cap from nowhere, has a great buffer.
Zealot. Nanod lays pwn down from 30km. Can be fit to pulse from 65km. Also a great sniper.
Sacriledge Only armor tanking missile spamming hac in the game...
Damnation Only armor tanking missile spamming cs in the game... can out buffer tank most battleships easily (fantastic for rr gangs).
Geddon Possibly one of the best gank ships around, 1000 dps at 45km easily...
Apoc 500 dps pulse at 100km, 220km sniper without rigs... awesome.
Archon Carrier with the most survivability in the game. Also the biggest.
Revelation THE best dread for pos bashing.


Lotsa ships stand out... the main thing that comes to mind is t2 lasers ability to do stupidly high dps from stupidly high ranges. That right there stands out...

Btw... I'm heavily speced minmatar and am switching to amar... for what its worth.


See this is the sorta stuff what I was after. :)

Alt altski
Posted - 2008.08.12 14:55:00 - [33]
 

The op is really really stupid , and with people like these you cant discuss anything because they will just drag you down to there own level then beat you with experience.

But im gonna have a moan.

Af - True with that , but harpy has a mega tank and jag is sexy.

Recons - Falcon is just .. stupid atm so ofc its high.
Rapier and huggin are also effected by the nano nerf and there arnt really the Ultimate nano killer as when 1 of these warp into the fight there either dead or the nano ships have gotten out of range in seconds.
Curse - Very good at killing alot of nano ships (Due to nuking there cap and dictating range) and raping ceptors.
Hacs - Zealot - This ship is amazing it does dps out to a very long distance and in a roam i had last night the zealot out damage everything in our gang including a neutron gank deimos. Just because of the fact that it could start doing dps so far away.
Deimos - It needs to be in web range to do dps. After the nano nerf it will be far worse off than zealot.
Sacrelige - This is just a great ship .. any sac pilot would tell you.
CS - Absolution - ****s astarte everytime. (more range , better mix of gank and tank)
Damnation - Wicked passive armor tank and wicked links .. much better than the eos.
Harb - LOL brutix wouldnt stand a chance/
Marauders - dont know.

Geddon - Ultimate gank boat that can still do awesome damage at much longer range than a megathron.
Apoc - 80km Megapulse ?
Abaddon - Like the absolution .. very good balance between gank and tank.



Btw dude from this perspective either ive done it right or ive acted exactly like you and just used random oppinions to make amarr seem wtf UBER (like you done to make them seem ****)


Your really stupid .. like i said at the start .. and i bet you active tank all your amarr ships ... cause then they really would suck .. yes they would.

Aarin Wrath
Caldari
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.12 15:06:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: hired goon
Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.


http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Spectre3353&id=3382186&page=36&filter=kills#mail

What do I win????


Sorry m8t ... but you would only win if you were the one flying the Aug, and you killed the Incursus ;) Very Happy

I'd give you 5 mill easy for such a feet of pwnage.
hehehe.

Mastin Dragonfly
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.08.12 15:19:00 - [35]
 

What the OP fails to realise is that amarr ships can use pulse lasers. Especially at battleship lvl this is a huge boon, especially when one of those battleships has a range bonus. Doing 1000+ dps is only useful if something is within range.

Upright
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.08.12 15:27:00 - [36]
 

Honestly Amarr have the best range of useful cruisers. Zealot, Sac, Curse, Devoter and the Guardian are all great ships at what they do.

And as stated also their range of BS's is fantastic. You got gank (geddon), range (apoc), and wicked tank (abba)Only thing missing is a EWAR BS. but mehhh anyway.

And dont fly inties, but i do see my fair share of crusaders around.

Archon: Great tank

Revelation: Most used Dread

Amarr's bad side:T1 frigates are most cruisers are meh, AF's are meh, EAF's are meh, and Pilgrim is in my opinion meh. (Just needs drone bonus gone and nuet range bonus increased and i will be happy)

If the pilgrim was fixed i would say that amarr are probz the most balanced race in EVE atm.




1Evildude
Gallente
Gallente Space Production
Posted - 2008.08.12 15:28:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: 1Evildude on 12/08/2008 15:37:20
Originally by: 5pinDizzy



3/10. 1 point for the eve knowledge attack and 1 point for lack of experience attack, 1 point for end paragraph dismissal.

You're not harnessing your troll power effectively as you could here.

But feel free to come back and try again. Very Happy





That sure told me... How dare I use the fact that I can actually fly the ships you're saying are so much more powerful and affective than their Amarr counterpart.

I mean, you clearly have much more to go on by getting killed by one or reading the attributes in the ship info.

Also, I don't think you're not a 100% sure what a troll is, you might want to do a bit of research.

Laughing

Edit: Forgot to put in a smiley.

Moonbat Kain
Posted - 2008.08.12 15:56:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 13:02:05

Just wondered, as I can't think of a single amarr ship that stands out in it's field among the other races.





They all stand out each in it's own way.

The ship that really stands out for me imo is the Arbitrator. It's probably the sickest light cruiser of any race.

used properly in PvP the curse and pilgrim are absolutly terrifying. The arbi get close for only 2 million! It is probably the most versatile amarr ship... scratch that, most versatile cruiser of any race just for the amount and variety of drones you can carry.

for PvE, an Arbitrator is THE BEST insurance policy a lvl4 mission running BS can have. you barely need a million or 2 SP to make it into a viable lvl4 escort. I wont tell you how many tier 2 and 3 Battleships' bacon i've saved with just an Arbitrator and a flight of t1 drones.

a few issues with the Arbi, it's very finicky when trying to fit it as an all round/soloing ship. You need to pick a roll for it and stick with it. It's tank is weak but you can shield and/or armour tank it, you only need enough tank to hold a lvl4 room for long enough to align and warp out. :)

you know this drone cruiser is something else when even Gallentes will skill amarr cruiser just to fly an Arbitrator. I know of a few who have... and even now will get misty eyed upon seeing an Arbi despite them currently flying BS and T2 thingies.

Awesome ship that really scales well with your ingame skills, but really needs out of game player skills to shine.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:18:00 - [39]
 

Yeah, to be honest, I've always thought there was something a bit special about the Arbitrator.

Just you have to make use of ewar or it's tracking disruption in the midslots or it just becomes a lackluster vexor.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:30:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 12/08/2008 16:31:43

Yeah, to be honest, I've always thought there was something a bit special about the Arbitrator.

Just you have to make use of ewar or it's tracking disruption in the midslots or it just becomes a lackluster vexor.

My first three pvp experiences in one all had me getting swatted by drones and now I stick a smartbomb on aswell.

Quote:
That sure told me... How dare I use the fact that I can actually fly the ships you're saying are so much more powerful and affective than their Amarr counterpart.

I mean, you clearly have much more to go on by getting killed by one or reading the attributes in the ship info.

Also, I don't think you're not a 100% sure what a troll is, you might want to do a bit of research.


Ok, some notes for you Mr.

1. Everything in my first post is my opinion and is not fact nor stated as such, my opinions and perspective change all the time, I forgot stuff, I don't account for some stuff at the time of writing. The reasons why I make the posts are so people can tell me different. I find people pay much more attention if you challenge the ability of the said race/ships by saying how they may appear to be from my own pov.

2. Your first post was a waste of excess mouse scroll.

3. Your second was a flamebait/retaliation of my pointing out point 2.

4. Your fourth was a steaming dung of sarcasm, but nock yourself out, I remain blissfully ignorant of you as I don't know what a troll is.


Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:36:00 - [41]
 

Amarr are like, the best race in the game. Ever since EM resists got nerfed there's like no reason to fly Gallente anymore since Amarr do it better Confused

Gimpb
The Scope
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:47:00 - [42]
 

There are several that stand out to me:

1. Sentinel and curse - The neuts, drones, and tracking disruptor thing just works so darn well.

2. The apoc stands out as both a fleet BS and as a mission runner with its combination of range and strong damage.

3. Pulse lasers in general stand out as a short range weapon system that's able to suppress an impressively large area of space and they work well against smaller stuff too--unlike torps.

4. I don't think the paladin is inferior to the golem for missions at all... it's very much a top level contender (assuming you're running the right missions). There are some pretty big disadvantages to torps and the the combination of range and power that tachs provide is unavailable to the golem.

5. The amarr caps have the most pure tank and gank.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 - [43]
 

Imo the only ship that really stands out is: Damnation.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:03:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Imo the only ship that really stands out is: Damnation.

yes the rest of them suck Sad

buff amarr!!!

( Laughing )

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:14:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Imo the only ship that really stands out is: Damnation.


You don't think Curse, Sac, Zealot, Crusader, the capitals, never mind the awesome BS "stand out"?

Shocked

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:19:00 - [46]
 

There's tons of ships that stand out.

Regardless, I have one word for you.


SCORCH.

Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:30:00 - [47]
 

someone said the amarr EAF sucked :(

I love it :O

Its a frig , with the neuting power of a cruiser , with more neuting range of a cruiser , with the abilty to decrease the range of guns by 60 % per TD and have 4 hobgoblin II's ....

its just win !! :D

the only ship that is just loss is the retributions .. I mean 1 medslot on a frigate hull ... ?! Tank on it is win tough :).


But lets not turn this in a nerf amarr tread . Lets keep it a boost amarr tread .

The Apoc really sucks cause you can't passive shield tank it !! Evil or Very Mad

(Laughing)

Dristra
Amarr
Idle Haven
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:44:00 - [48]
 

The current amarr lineup is very limited, it's all about gunboats of different types, and the 50% cap use "bonus" is another factor that makes it hard to design different ships.


Boz Well
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:46:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: AstroPhobic
There's tons of ships that stand out.

Regardless, I have one word for you.


SCORCH.


Hey hey, let's leave the laserstrom outta this!

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:00:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: AstroPhobic on 12/08/2008 19:00:06
Originally by: Dristra
The current amarr lineup is very limited, it's all about gunboats of different types, and the 50% cap use "bonus" is another factor that makes it hard to design different ships.




I don't really do this because it usually makes me look stupid, uninformed or a general nuisance, but.

lolwut?

Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:18:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
crap



Hahahahahahaha buff Amarr!

No, srsly, wtf have you been drinking?

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:21:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Imo the only ship that really stands out is: Damnation.


You don't think Curse, Sac, Zealot, Crusader, the capitals, never mind the awesome BS "stand out"?

Shocked


Nah, I'm not saying that the other ships or the ships you mention suck. It's just that damnation really sticks out amongst the fleet commands imo, just like falcons sticks out amongst force recons and crow amongst ceptors and sabre amongst dictors.

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:47:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: hired goon
Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.


I have flown it quite a lot. Even won a corp tourny in an Augy.

InSession
Kill or Die Trying
Posted - 2008.08.12 21:54:00 - [54]
 

Amarr have the best sniper ships, imo. Not having to change ammo = win especially for POS shooting.

Geddons have incredible gank ability.
Malediction isn't far off from a Crow.
Zealot has a ****load of low slots which means gank + awesome buffer!

Most of what other people said is true. Besides the assault ships which are all crap anyways I have nothing to complain about Amarr ships.

Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.08.12 22:01:00 - [55]
 

The Crusaider is the fastest inti, the Malidiction is a fantastic tackler - these ships will get a lot more use post patch.

Curse, Zelot, Sacralidge are all very very strong in small gang situations. Even the pilgrim may get a second life after the changes (but for solo work).

The Damnation is a tanking monster and a great fleet CS. The Absolution is a pleasure to fly in small gang, a bit slow, but hits like a train.

The Apoc is the last word in fleet BBs. The Geddon is a great gate camper as is the Abaddon.

The Archon and Revelation are arguably the best capitals out there.

If you have a choise about ships, whomever is not training Amarr is missing the train.

achoura
Posted - 2008.08.12 22:42:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: hired goon
Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.


Actually in the past 4 moths of fighting up north i saw a single ship, meaning at least someone is flying one Razz

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.12 22:43:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 12/08/2008 13:19:52
Well the Vengeance has an impressive tank for a frigate but also the worst engagement range of any ship ever. Bonuses only to rockets = major lameness.


Rockets have more range and none of the issues that come with blasters ugh

Clone 231A
Posted - 2008.08.12 22:48:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Clone 231A on 12/08/2008 22:52:46
Originally by: Trojanman190
Edited by: Trojanman190 on 12/08/2008 14:29:43
Omg... I can't believe Lyria isnt here yet.

Crusader. Great / common anti interceptor interceptor.
Curse. This ship is just awesome... anti nano, anti support, anti bs... its great.
Guardian. Fantastic logisitcs ship. Creates cap from nowhere, has a great buffer.
Zealot. Nanod lays pwn down from 30km. Can be fit to pulse from 65km. Also a great sniper.
Sacriledge Only armor tanking missile spamming hac in the game...
Damnation Only armor tanking missile spamming cs in the game... can out buffer tank most battleships easily (fantastic for rr gangs).
Geddon Possibly one of the best gank ships around, 1000 dps at 45km easily...
Apoc 500 dps pulse at 100km, 220km sniper without rigs... awesome.
Archon Carrier with the most survivability in the game. Also the biggest.
Revelation THE best dread for pos bashing.


Lotsa ships stand out... the main thing that comes to mind is t2 lasers ability to do stupidly high dps from stupidly high ranges. That right there stands out...

Btw... I'm heavily speced minmatar and am switching to amar... for what its worth.


Curse is ok, still doesn't hold a candle to the caldari recons, well unless your soloing... oh and hope you don't run into a rook with just 1 buddy. Gallente recons will still shut it down easily too. Its good at it's role, but not PWN like this thread seems to think.

Zealot is pretty nice. Not insane, but not bad either.

Sac is unique, and can fulfill a number of roles and its own unique one (in close missile/armor hac). When the age of the nano ends, this ship won't be hurt so badly.

Geddon ....1000 DPS @ 45km easily??? Sure buddy. Oh you mean after 5 heavy drones travel 45 km to thier target... or like over a minute after you start firing eh? (lol 5 heavies) Its a pretty mean ship for a few minutes. Of course it is not without some HUGE weaknesses... (tracking disruptors, EW). Lets not forget the raven is pretty insane @ these ranges too.

Apoc is a good sniper, thats about it.

Archon is probably the best carrier, no doubt.

Revelation is nice, particularly for high-lag conditions (no releading required). Of course its also the easiest to completely shut-down and/or guard against.

Don't listen to the Nano-whiners who are all over amarr now. They are great, and some of thier ships really do stand out. Amarr are also very limited and have a unique piloting style.

To add:

I would say the sac, the heretic, the archon, geddon and the guardian are all definitely best in tier... Those ships truely stand out. Most T1 ships below BS are kinda blah though.

MarleWH
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.08.13 01:27:00 - [59]
 

OP is apparently uninformed about Mega Pulse II w/ scorch apocs. You will alpha strike titans with that thing.

Pant Alones
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2008.08.13 03:41:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: hired goon
Augoror, the only ship in the game that has never been flown by anyone.


i lold Laughing

p.s. hi goon :)


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