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CCP Abraxas

Posted - 2008.08.05 15:35:00 - [1]
 

We are at war now, and we must look in the face of its cost.

Ebodhisatva
The Templars Knights
Posted - 2008.08.05 17:07:00 - [2]
 

Quote:
She bit her lip, hard. This was how it was. No panic and no backing out...


Thnx

Kuno Hida
Posted - 2008.08.05 18:14:00 - [3]
 

Awesome.
And one step closer to having an idea what Isk relates to in dirtside currency.

Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
Posted - 2008.08.05 18:33:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
I brought in ten times what they'd set aside for you, and even that amount is less than I can make in a day. You owe them nothing, nor me, nor anyone else.


That really says a lot right there.

Johnathon Desoto
Pax Britannia
Rally Against Evil
Posted - 2008.08.05 18:39:00 - [5]
 

Must admit, one of the better ones I read.

At least capsuleers have some compassion to those beneath them.

R McGunne
Posted - 2008.08.05 19:13:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: R McGunne on 05/08/2008 19:23:39
The standard value of Wheat is 100ISK per ton. The standard price of a batch (500kg) of Quafe is 50ISK. Luxury vehicles are 10000ISK each.

Assuming all these are trade prices (wholesale) it means 1 bottle of Quafe is 0.2 ISK, a loaf of bread around 0.1 isk, and driving a luxury car will cost you 20,000isk. That makes the average annual income of the plebs around 15000ISK. Owning a shuttle equals 2 years income, owning a Rifter 20 years income.

Using cloning to reconstruct would probably cost in the region of 30k to 50k isk. So if the capsuleer gave each 500k isk they would be able to live comfortably of the interest alone.

amGreat
Posted - 2008.08.05 20:27:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: R McGunne
Edited by: R McGunne on 05/08/2008 19:23:39
The standard value of Wheat is 100ISK per ton. The standard price of a batch (500kg) of Quafe is 50ISK. Luxury vehicles are 10000ISK each.

Assuming all these are trade prices (wholesale) it means 1 bottle of Quafe is 0.2 ISK, a loaf of bread around 0.1 isk, and driving a luxury car will cost you 20,000isk. That makes the average annual income of the plebs around 15000ISK. Owning a shuttle equals 2 years income, owning a Rifter 20 years income.

Using cloning to reconstruct would probably cost in the region of 30k to 50k isk. So if the capsuleer gave each 500k isk they would be able to live comfortably of the interest alone.


you make the mistake of assuming that we can relate our products now with eve products. What if they compress the bread, freeze dry it or modify it in some other way. What if it is quafe powder - just add water and its for 10,000 bottles. We have no coorelation to planetside pleb economy - and they most likely do not use isk -except prime fiction - so we can only conclude that capsuleers are very rich.

Foreign currency exchange is complex enough on only one planet, earth.

Thorradin
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.08.05 22:09:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kuno Hida
Awesome.
And one step closer to having an idea what Isk relates to in dirtside currency.


Not really. We have no idea how much the Federation put aside, or this guy, or what kind of pod pilot he is. Also, dedicated players can make hundreds of millions of ISK per day trading, mining, or running missions. The guy could be a hulk pilot that mines veldspar in a 0.8 system 10 hours a day for all we know.Razz

I do like the Gallente are going heavy on propaganda, stating they're close to total victory.Razz

Thorradin
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.08.05 22:12:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: amGreat
Originally by: R McGunne
Edited by: R McGunne on 05/08/2008 19:23:39
The standard value of Wheat is 100ISK per ton. The standard price of a batch (500kg) of Quafe is 50ISK. Luxury vehicles are 10000ISK each.

Assuming all these are trade prices (wholesale) it means 1 bottle of Quafe is 0.2 ISK, a loaf of bread around 0.1 isk, and driving a luxury car will cost you 20,000isk. That makes the average annual income of the plebs around 15000ISK. Owning a shuttle equals 2 years income, owning a Rifter 20 years income.

Using cloning to reconstruct would probably cost in the region of 30k to 50k isk. So if the capsuleer gave each 500k isk they would be able to live comfortably of the interest alone.


you make the mistake of assuming that we can relate our products now with eve products. What if they compress the bread, freeze dry it or modify it in some other way. What if it is quafe powder - just add water and its for 10,000 bottles. We have no coorelation to planetside pleb economy - and they most likely do not use isk -except prime fiction - so we can only conclude that capsuleers are very rich.

Foreign currency exchange is complex enough on only one planet, earth.


I would be amazed if the Empires haven't consolidated their currencies into a handful per empire. The most complex I could see would be the Caldari, since each Megacorp would likely have its own currency, then a general currency for the State as a whole, and the Amarr heirs might do something similar. Gallente might still have different currencies from the other races that joined the Federation, and the Minmatar may have tribal currency.

But even then, that's nothing compared to what earth is like.Razz

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2008.08.05 22:59:00 - [10]
 

I really dig the subtle hints of the ultratech that's truly available to the mind-numbingly wealthy podder and other elite.

wtb: reactive floor tiling and scanner-simulator image prints.


Garion Avarr
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2008.08.06 00:05:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Garion Avarr on 06/08/2008 00:35:33
To answer a few of the questions regarding the value of ISK -- regular people generally don't use ISK, regional currencies are used. Values for commodities aren't perfect for trying to convert ISK to what it might be worth in everyday terms or in our terms, because the spaceside economy is still a bit different than the planetside economy. There is a thread that discussed this at length, I'll try to find it.


And as for the story, I shall repeat what I said elsewhere: beautiful, awesome, and terrifying.

EDIT: That thread I mentioned.

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2008.08.06 01:27:00 - [12]
 

Oh god I hope some of the imagery provided in these stories actually appears in ambulation. I want to see my avatar show up on pictures when I walk into certain rooms. lol

Harvey Lemming
Posted - 2008.08.06 04:53:00 - [13]
 

Good story, one of the best ones lately.

Quote:
...me being a capsuleer, and even after I'd had my head scrambled by too many clonings in too little time...


Yep.

Camuran
Gallente
Posted - 2008.08.06 06:59:00 - [14]
 

Yeah very nice story. Loved it!

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.08.06 07:39:00 - [15]
 

Mmm, that's good writing. Abraxas for Emperor!


Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.08.06 07:54:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
Oh god I hope some of the imagery provided in these stories actually appears in ambulation. I want to see my avatar show up on pictures when I walk into certain rooms. lol


This. A great read as usual, by the way.

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.08.06 12:57:00 - [17]
 

I find this story one of the best I've read since the incident with Articio Kor-Azor. Nice and dark, ominous.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.08.06 13:29:00 - [18]
 

This Chronicle is great, it offers quite a few insights. Gallente media propaganda while not really giving a **** about the people they pose as caring about, the view of the normal people towards Capsuleers ("fear, admiration, distrust and wonder") and how insanely rich (some) Capsuleers are ("How much of this floor is yours?"-"All of it").

I really like it.

Isen Vakten
Posted - 2008.08.06 14:17:00 - [19]
 

nice imagery.

but why exactly did he do that? altruism for altruism's sake? he confesses as much that it isn't his only motive. and when he tries to explain his true motive... it's... altruism?

there's some back story i'm not getting here...

Miranovi
Posted - 2008.08.06 14:43:00 - [20]
 

Fantastic. I've been really enjoying the Chronicles of late, but this is one of the finest.

Oirama Dobrique
Posted - 2008.08.06 22:14:00 - [21]
 

Great shortie. Gives a nice overview how governments and capsuleers relate to "normal" people.

Nethras
Minmatar
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
Posted - 2008.08.07 00:18:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Isen Vakten
nice imagery.

but why exactly did he do that? altruism for altruism's sake? he confesses as much that it isn't his only motive. and when he tries to explain his true motive... it's... altruism?

there's some back story i'm not getting here...


I think he admitted that sympathy wasn't his only motive, then said it was altruism - I suspect it's a bit more complicated than that, but his statements weren't really contradictory. To me at least it sound more like that he wasn't too happy with what he perceived as a government/media attempt to control these 2 people, and saw similarities to a past relationship of his in this couple as well - so he did something about it. If he was around for a significant part of the media publicity tour as it sounds like he was, the time he spent with these people was probably a bigger expenditure for him than the money. Definitely a great story Smile

Kai Zion
Posted - 2008.08.07 23:49:00 - [23]
 

Really nice work Abraxas. Lots of depth in this piece and well...all the ones you've been putting out since FW loomed on the horizon, actually. The fiction coming out recently in the Chrons and big news arcs has been a great addition to the novel, I find.

Two thumbs up. Read it, people! Very Happy

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2008.08.08 03:25:00 - [24]
 

(safe for work but kind of disturbing)
This is all that needs to be said
Sad

Well done.

A chronicle hasn't been written till this one that so closely relates to the real world.

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2008.08.09 04:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: HankMurphy
(safe for work but kind of disturbing)
This is all that needs to be said
Sad

Well done.

A chronicle hasn't been written till this one that so closely relates to the real world.


That really is all I thought about as I read...

This is one of the most in-depth backstories I've read. Goes right back down to the ground level and covers the common man.

Excellent.

Garion Avarr
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2008.08.10 02:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: HankMurphy
(safe for work but kind of disturbing)
This is all that needs to be said
Sad

Well done.

A chronicle hasn't been written till this one that so closely relates to the real world.

I believe Abraxas said elsewhere that that picture was actually what inspired him to write this chronicle.

And yes, very well done.

CCP Abraxas

Posted - 2008.08.13 14:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Nethras
Originally by: Isen Vakten
nice imagery.

but why exactly did he do that? altruism for altruism's sake? he confesses as much that it isn't his only motive. and when he tries to explain his true motive... it's... altruism?

there's some back story i'm not getting here...

I think he admitted that sympathy wasn't his only motive, then said it was altruism - I suspect it's a bit more complicated than that, but his statements weren't really contradictory. To me at least it sound more like that he wasn't too happy with what he perceived as a government/media attempt to control these 2 people, and saw similarities to a past relationship of his in this couple as well - so he did something about it. If he was around for a significant part of the media publicity tour as it sounds like he was, the time he spent with these people was probably a bigger expenditure for him than the money. Definitely a great story Smile


All of the above is quite true. It could also be that he simply wants to break up the couple for his own end, whether it's to seduce Braea or for whatever reason. He's certainly a devil's advocate of some sort, even if he's doing it for reasons we may perceive as justifiable.

Within the new Factional Warfare environment I find myself writing more and more stories of people doing the right thing for the wrong reasons (or the other way around). Not that there hasn't been plenty of moral ambiguity in the earlier stories, but it tended to be described at a distance, as an observed situation rather than one that emotionally involves the reader. Newer pieces like "With Acknowledgments to Mad Dogs" (which remains my own favourite story, even despite its imperfections) involve you far more with their characters than, say, something like "The Shrinking Skin".

And yes, this chron was directly inspired by the photo of poor Ty Ziegel and his bride.


 

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