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McDonALTs
Posted - 2008.08.02 14:28:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 14:32:13
Dominix

H: 6 x Electron Blaster II/ Navy Antimatter
M: 100mn AB II, Web II, Scram II, Disrupter II, Heavy Cap Booster II
L: 2 x EANM II, Damage Control II, 1600 Plate II, Large Rep II, Mag FieldStab II, RCU II
Drones: 5 x Ogre II (Hammerheads and other drones in reserve for anti-inty etc)
Rigs: Any.

Goes almost 400/sec and Does almost 1000dps (475 DPS at 15km +, 763DPS at 10km due to falloff, 1000DPS at 3km). Obviously you do more DPS with longer range ammo if the opponent is outside your range, or even if you drop the plate for more damage mod.

All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!

Keelabich
Amarr
Advocated-Destruction
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2008.08.02 14:50:00 - [2]
 

your point?

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2008.08.02 14:51:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/08/2008 14:53:23


Hi your 1000dps tank gets eaten by thier 70-80% resists down to 300-200 dps easily maitainable at 40% shieldish which is nearly half peak of a decent passive shield drake that ran an optimizer on thier shield to recharge rate ratio. Fancy Fit drakes (price tag 3 billion isk) your looking at barely making a dent with t2 purgers and 20k shields and about 95 second recharge time and decent resists.

Now slap on a neuter in the mix and you get a different story as you turn off his invun field and making his 800dts down to 400ish.

Still I agree about the fuss, such ships are still easily sinkable with friends and/or proper planning no need to nerf passive tanking again since its seemingly the only form of shield tanking allowed in pvp.

EDIT
and no I dont ETF hence the ish guesstimates.

McDonALTs
Posted - 2008.08.02 14:56:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 15:01:04
Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/08/2008 14:53:23


Hi your 1000dps tank gets eaten by thier 70-80% resists down to 300-200 dps easily maitainable at 40% shieldish which is nearly half peak of a decent passive shield drake that ran an optimizer on thier shield to recharge rate ratio. Fancy Fit drakes (price tag 3 billion isk) your looking at barely making a dent with t2 purgers and 20k shields and about 95 second recharge time and decent resists.

Now slap on a neuter in the mix and you get a different story as you turn off his invun field and making his 800dts down to 400ish.

Still I agree about the fuss, such ships are still easily sinkable with friends and/or proper planning no need to nerf passive tanking again since its seemingly the only form of shield tanking allowed in pvp.

EDIT
and no I dont ETF hence the ish guesstimates.


Passive drakes have 1 or two resist holes. EM or Therm usually. Most killboards have Therm as lowist resit for passive fit drake (2 x invul, 1 x EM II or 3 x Invul II.)

Nobody in eve history has used t2 purgers on a pvp drake yet, nor estamel fit.

And finally, a drakes peak shield recharge is around 200-250 shield/sec for 100% pure passive. Pvp fits have it around half that.

Prez21
Alpha Strike.
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:05:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 14:32:13
Dominix

H: 6 x Electron Blaster II/ Navy Antimatter
M: 100mn AB II, Web II, Scram II, Disrupter II, Heavy Cap Booster II
L: 2 x EANM II, Damage Control II, 1600 Plate II, Large Rep II, Mag FieldStab II, RCU II
Drones: 5 x Ogre II (Hammerheads and other drones in reserve for anti-inty etc)
Rigs: Any.

Goes almost 400/sec and Does almost 1000dps (475 DPS at 15km +, 763DPS at 10km due to falloff, 1000DPS at 3km). Obviously you do more DPS with longer range ammo if the opponent is outside your range, or even if you drop the plate for more damage mod.

All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!


Whats your point, what happens when a falcon decloaks 100k/m away and 5 battleships land on top of you with a guardian remote repping them, oh thats right your dead becuase you go 400m/s and warp super fast. plus what happens if you land 20km awat from the drake, he just warps away. Your argument is stupid, plus what happens when that drake is 15 jumps into 0.0 how do you expect to get a 400m/s plated domi through 0.0 alive?

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:07:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Edited by: Nova Fox on 02/08/2008 14:53:23


Hi your 1000dps tank gets eaten by thier 70-80% resists down to 300-200 dps easily maitainable at 40% shieldish which is nearly half peak of a decent passive shield drake that ran an optimizer on thier shield to recharge rate ratio. Fancy Fit drakes (price tag 3 billion isk) your looking at barely making a dent with t2 purgers and 20k shields and about 95 second recharge time and decent resists.

Now slap on a neuter in the mix and you get a different story as you turn off his invun field and making his 800dts down to 400ish.

Still I agree about the fuss, such ships are still easily sinkable with friends and/or proper planning no need to nerf passive tanking again since its seemingly the only form of shield tanking allowed in pvp.

EDIT
and no I dont ETF hence the ish guesstimates.



lol, invalidating a fit because a drake can tank it.

lollers

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:11:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Haniblecter Teg



lol, invalidating a fit because a drake can tank it.

lollers


Uh, if the point of the OP was talking about beating a drake tank, then yes, it's invalidated by pointing out that it can't.

But a 3 billion drake as an example is pretty ridiculous. Nobody is going to fit a drake like that.

Well some people might, but thats still ridiculous.

TheG2
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:12:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Prez21
Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 14:32:13
Dominix

H: 6 x Electron Blaster II/ Navy Antimatter
M: 100mn AB II, Web II, Scram II, Disrupter II, Heavy Cap Booster II
L: 2 x EANM II, Damage Control II, 1600 Plate II, Large Rep II, Mag FieldStab II, RCU II
Drones: 5 x Ogre II (Hammerheads and other drones in reserve for anti-inty etc)
Rigs: Any.

Goes almost 400/sec and Does almost 1000dps (475 DPS at 15km +, 763DPS at 10km due to falloff, 1000DPS at 3km). Obviously you do more DPS with longer range ammo if the opponent is outside your range, or even if you drop the plate for more damage mod.

All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!


Whats your point, what happens when a falcon decloaks 100k/m away and 5 battleships land on top of you with a guardian remote repping them, oh thats right your dead becuase you go 400m/s and warp super fast. plus what happens if you land 20km awat from the drake, he just warps away. Your argument is stupid, plus what happens when that drake is 15 jumps into 0.0 how do you expect to get a 400m/s plated domi through 0.0 alive?


Holy crap your right! What if you can't even log in, how are you gonna pop the Drake now!

You're a damn idiot.

McDonALTs
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Prez21
Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 14:32:13
Dominix

H: 6 x Electron Blaster II/ Navy Antimatter
M: 100mn AB II, Web II, Scram II, Disrupter II, Heavy Cap Booster II
L: 2 x EANM II, Damage Control II, 1600 Plate II, Large Rep II, Mag FieldStab II, RCU II
Drones: 5 x Ogre II (Hammerheads and other drones in reserve for anti-inty etc)
Rigs: Any.

Goes almost 400/sec and Does almost 1000dps (475 DPS at 15km +, 763DPS at 10km due to falloff, 1000DPS at 3km). Obviously you do more DPS with longer range ammo if the opponent is outside your range, or even if you drop the plate for more damage mod.

All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!


Whats your point, what happens when a falcon decloaks 100k/m away and 5 battleships land on top of you with a guardian remote repping them, oh thats right your dead becuase you go 400m/s and warp super fast. plus what happens if you land 20km awat from the drake, he just warps away. Your argument is stupid, plus what happens when that drake is 15 jumps into 0.0 how do you expect to get a 400m/s plated domi through 0.0 alive?


Mr Negitive, A Falcon can decloak 250km at any time, so whats the point of undocking, since a Falcon will decloak with a spam of BS's?

No point shooting anything since a guardian will warp in and remote rep everything

No point using cov ops or scanner to hunt ratters, since I will always land 20km away even though I move 2-3x faster than most BS post nanonerf.

No point playing eve anymore. Boo Hoo.

McDonALTs
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:16:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 15:17:31
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg



lol, invalidating a fit because a drake can tank it.

lollers


Uh, if the point of the OP was talking about beating a drake tank, then yes, it's invalidated by pointing out that it can't.

But a 3 billion drake as an example is pretty ridiculous. Nobody is going to fit a drake like that.

Well some people might, but thats still ridiculous.



A 3 billion isk drake fit dies to that dominix.

Go on, produce a pvp omnitank drake fit that can tank that dominix which can change its drones damagetype.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:20:00 - [11]
 

Your not thinking out of the definition of passive enough but most passive pilots dont go out and think that far either.

Yeah EM Hole is pertty big at 50%

20k shields over 120 seconds is about 160 shields per second average across the entire shield specturm with 415 shields a second at peak. with the hole tossed in effective tank range is about 570 to 780 ish this is the basic tech 2 module t1 purger fit mind you.

Also Im sure that domi's dps doesnt ratio up well against its dpm since a fight with a drake can be prolonged and smart pilot would try to pick apart your drones, you either pull them back in or lose 100 dps a chunk lost and Ive seen a pertty nasty missile skilled pilot one volley a tech 2 orger but Im sure the domi's hp bonus helps out alot in this situation.

and no I dont want to play anymore etf wars with you I rather go with practicle stuff happening. DPS can be easily equated to dumb pointless !@#% when your given the slip and get nailed back with the perfect counter your dps dont mean anything anymore.

But your also right on the sensible pvpers arent going to officer up unless they are a mothership or titan.

Assault drakes are however more sensible to pvp with than any passive drake, heavy or HAMS with BCUs some speed and web (no scram somone else does that for you) active tank shields and 7 launchers with one remote repper to help spider tank up. Semi hard to fit and make it good and mean but the fact it gets ignorged quite often in skirmishes gives it the upper hand on pain when needed.

Prez21
Alpha Strike.
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:40:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: TheG2
Originally by: Prez21
Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 14:32:13
Dominix

H: 6 x Electron Blaster II/ Navy Antimatter
M: 100mn AB II, Web II, Scram II, Disrupter II, Heavy Cap Booster II
L: 2 x EANM II, Damage Control II, 1600 Plate II, Large Rep II, Mag FieldStab II, RCU II
Drones: 5 x Ogre II (Hammerheads and other drones in reserve for anti-inty etc)
Rigs: Any.

Goes almost 400/sec and Does almost 1000dps (475 DPS at 15km +, 763DPS at 10km due to falloff, 1000DPS at 3km). Obviously you do more DPS with longer range ammo if the opponent is outside your range, or even if you drop the plate for more damage mod.

All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!


Whats your point, what happens when a falcon decloaks 100k/m away and 5 battleships land on top of you with a guardian remote repping them, oh thats right your dead becuase you go 400m/s and warp super fast. plus what happens if you land 20km awat from the drake, he just warps away. Your argument is stupid, plus what happens when that drake is 15 jumps into 0.0 how do you expect to get a 400m/s plated domi through 0.0 alive?


Holy crap your right! What if you can't even log in, how are you gonna pop the Drake now!

You're a damn idiot.


What a moron you are, the fitting is poor for solo roaming, is easily caught by any blobs and only works in extreme situations where you find yourself 1v1 inside scram range.

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:42:00 - [13]
 

My dual rep domi has dual reps too, in fact it has all of that plus a mwd (1100m/s :P) so what's your point?

Actually my geddon does 1100m/s and has 1250 dps, and it's cheaper to boot Twisted Evil

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:45:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Prez21
What a moron you are, the fitting is poor for solo roaming, is easily caught by any blobs and only works in extreme situations where you find yourself 1v1 inside scram range.
All of which is completely irrelevant. This is a counter to this thread where passive Drakes are made out to be unstoppable pwnmobiles. The OP is showing that a full-tank Drake can still quite easily be beaten with even a pretty iffy Domi fit, contrary to what this post claims.

5h4dy
Alpha Strike.
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:52:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Prez21
What a moron you are, the fitting is poor for solo roaming, is easily caught by any blobs and only works in extreme situations where you find yourself 1v1 inside scram range.
All of which is completely irrelevant. This is a counter to this thread where passive Drakes are made out to be unstoppable pwnmobiles. The OP is showing that a full-tank Drake can still quite easily be beaten with even a pretty iffy Domi fit, contrary to what this post claims.


The fact is though, any high skilled drake pilot can tank over 1000dps easily, and with abit of isk invested wouldnt even brake a sweat at 1000dps. Passive shield tanks are overpowered they involve little cap and tank way to much dmg, if nanos need nerfing beacuse a billion isk setup can reach stupid speeds then passive shield tanks need nerfing becuase with billions invested they can tank stupid amounts of dmg.

McDonALTs
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:54:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: 5h4dy
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Prez21
What a moron you are, the fitting is poor for solo roaming, is easily caught by any blobs and only works in extreme situations where you find yourself 1v1 inside scram range.
All of which is completely irrelevant. This is a counter to this thread where passive Drakes are made out to be unstoppable pwnmobiles. The OP is showing that a full-tank Drake can still quite easily be beaten with even a pretty iffy Domi fit, contrary to what this post claims.


The fact is though, any high skilled drake pilot can tank over 1000dps easily, and with abit of isk invested wouldnt even brake a sweat at 1000dps. Passive shield tanks are overpowered they involve little cap and tank way to much dmg, if nanos need nerfing beacuse a billion isk setup can reach stupid speeds then passive shield tanks need nerfing becuase with billions invested they can tank stupid amounts of dmg.


Post pvp Drake fit pls. Still waiting

Terraform
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.08.02 15:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Azuse
My dual rep domi has dual reps too, in fact it has all of that plus a mwd (1100m/s :P) so what's your point?

Actually my geddon does 1100m/s and has 1250 dps, and it's cheaper to boot Twisted Evil


that 1100m/s will be changed to around 830 m/s with the new patch, been there, done that. Test server hooray?

Thorradin
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.08.02 16:34:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: 5h4dy
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Prez21
What a moron you are, the fitting is poor for solo roaming, is easily caught by any blobs and only works in extreme situations where you find yourself 1v1 inside scram range.
All of which is completely irrelevant. This is a counter to this thread where passive Drakes are made out to be unstoppable pwnmobiles. The OP is showing that a full-tank Drake can still quite easily be beaten with even a pretty iffy Domi fit, contrary to what this post claims.


The fact is though, any high skilled drake pilot can tank over 1000dps easily, and with abit of isk invested wouldnt even brake a sweat at 1000dps. Passive shield tanks are overpowered they involve little cap and tank way to much dmg, if nanos need nerfing beacuse a billion isk setup can reach stupid speeds then passive shield tanks need nerfing becuase with billions invested they can tank stupid amounts of dmg.


It's so painfully easy to kill a passive-tanked ship compared to a nanoship that comparisons are apples to oranges. Ewar aside, I'd like to see your pvp drake that can take that much, and then you can sit there as people tell you the many reasons it fails, especially compared to nanoships.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.08.02 16:49:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: 5h4dy
The fact is though, any high skilled drake pilot can tank over 1000dps easily

...while devoting his ENTIRE slottage to tank, barely, at near-maximum skills plus implants, while having a pathetic damage output. My, my, what a weird definition of "easily" you have. And a stupid, lousy Drake fit. Yeah, a Drake fit which lacks at least one, preferably two ballistic controls IS lousy, stupid, or both... unless you need it for a very, very specific and narrow purpose (like, say, tank AE4 bonus room, or tank a complex, whatever).

Quote:
and with abit of isk invested wouldnt even brake a sweat at 1000dps.

Proof or STFU. If you want to list an "omg overpowered" fit, please do so with a full passive one.
And no, "estamel's modified invul" is not a full-on-passive module, it CAN be "beaten" by a bloody single neutralizer turning it into utter patheticness.
If you fit anything above meta level 5 on a Drake, you fail at EVE.

Quote:
Passive shield tanks are overpowered they involve little cap and tank way to much dmg, if nanos need nerfing beacuse a billion isk setup can reach stupid speeds then passive shield tanks need nerfing becuase with billions invested they can tank stupid amounts of dmg.

With "billions invested", a passive Drake shield tank CAN'T tank the one pimped gank battleship that pins whatever resist hole it has. It's usually either an Amarr gankboat or a Gallente gankboat which a Drake is weakest against, on the best rated possible SEMI-PASSIVE tank (the tank where you use active hardeners), and a single neutralizer on the battleship quite easily turns the active hardeners useless, so only a full passive fit still gets a chance to tank a moderate gank fit neutralizer battleship (because a full gank one kills it with ease).

And we're talking 1-vs-1 situations here... with nanos, it was 1-vs-anything if you so wanted.
So, no, your post fails harder than words could possibly hope to describe.

Calthornia Zelamar
Posted - 2008.08.02 16:50:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Calthornia Zelamar on 02/08/2008 16:50:58
A point that it looks like some people missed here is that nobody in their right mind SHOULD be foolish enough to fly a fully passive-tank fit Drake into PvP. If they do, it shouldn't be that hard to simply just disengage or ignore it - it's not going to be doing much DPS, tackling, or moving very quickly if it's totally passive-tank fit. You can pretty much just leave it for last as you pick off his gangmates.

If it's a buffered HAM fit, it's slightly different, but in that case it doesn't have any more of a ridiculous tank than another buffered gank BC.

Ed: Darn, looks like Akita beat me to it.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2008.08.02 17:47:00 - [21]
 

"With "billions invested", a passive Drake shield tank CAN'T tank the one pimped gank battleship that pins whatever resist hole it has."
Sure it can. It barely takes 1 billion yet alone billions. If its a bait ship its doable for less then 1 billion. One cheap mindlink implant and Shield Harmonizing module in the high slot then with 1 gang member your HP regen and resistance should shoot up to over 1000dps on the lowest resistance. I would much rather take a bait passive shield tank domi though and deal decent DPS from my drones.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.08.02 18:29:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Sure it can. It barely takes 1 billion yet alone billions. If its a bait ship its doable for less then 1 billion.
If it's a bait ship, then it's completely harmless and will die.
Quote:
One cheap mindlink implant and Shield Harmonizing module in the high slot then with 1 gang member your HP regen and resistance should shoot up to over 1000dps on the lowest resistance.
…which is irrelevant since we're talking 1-on-1.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.08.02 19:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
"With "billions invested", a passive Drake shield tank CAN'T tank the one pimped gank battleship that pins whatever resist hole it has."
Sure it can. It barely takes 1 billion yet alone billions. If its a bait ship its doable for less then 1 billion. One cheap mindlink implant and Shield Harmonizing module in the high slot then with 1 gang member your HP regen and resistance should shoot up to over 1000dps on the lowest resistance. I would much rather take a bait passive shield tank domi though and deal decent DPS from my drones.

Three things.
First and foremost, we're talking 1-vs-1 situation, so you get no 15% maxshield bonus, and you get no resists gang bonus, and the attacker is very likely to be using some form of energy neutralisation (even if it's just a small neutralizer on a BS).
Second, we're talking omnitank (or, well, tank with least resist holes in it) and attacker exploiting weakest resist or resist combos.
Finally, a "pimped gank battleship" can push out closer to 1.5k DPS for a short while, a "regular" gank battleship can easily push out over 1k DPS for a short while.

So, I'd really like to see what setup can you produce that is under 1 bil ISK, 100% passive (so its resists can't be knocked out by neutralizers) and can tank up to 1.5k DPS at peak without any gang bonuses on its weakest resist or resists combo... heck, I'd love to see that for even just 1k peak DPS under the same conditions.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2008.08.02 19:23:00 - [24]
 

"Second, we're talking omnitank (or, well, tank with least resist holes in it) and attacker exploiting weakest resist or resist combos."
I wasnt talking solo, I was talking real ingame PvP where solo almost never happens anymore. A 1000dps as an omni tank on the lowest resistance is doable if you want a bait ship like that.




"Finally, a "pimped gank battleship" can push out closer to 1.5k DPS for a short while, a "regular" gank battleship can easily push out over 1k DPS for a short while."
How long can a 1.5dps hold that output? Could the large HP buffer be enough, by the time they get you down to 40 to 50% they are no longer at peak DPS and you can tank it.





"and the attacker is very likely to be using some form of energy neutralisation (even if it's just a small neutralizer on a BS)."
With my bait setups thats going do next to nothing. By the time 1 large energy neutralisation has turned off your gang module the battle will be long over. 1 small neutralizer will not even dint the cap regen. Solo I would never fly like that its crasy to tank a pure tank ship solo with no DPS output.





"If it's a bait ship, then it's completely harmless and will die."
Its not completely harmless 100 to 200 dps is still usefull in a battle and the point of a bait ship is to last a long time so your freinds can kill the targets. So it might not die. You could even load it up on energy drain. A bait ship with energy drain is far from harmless.





"So, I'd really like to see what setup can you produce that is under 1 bil ISK, 100% passive (so its resists can't be knocked out by neutralizers) and can tank up to 1.5k DPS at peak without any gang bonuses on its weakest resist or resists combo... heck, I'd love to see that for even just 1k peak DPS under the same conditions."
Cannot do that solo 800 to 900dps would be about the max doable for under 1 billon solo. But what would be the point. Solo ships with nothing but tank are pointless.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.08.02 19:33:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
I wasnt talking solo
No, but the rest of us are. That's the whole point of the thread.
Quote:
Its not completely harmless 100 to 200 dps is still usefull in a battle and the point of a bait ship is to last a long time so your freinds can kill the targets.
It has no friends – we're talking solo.
Quote:
Cannot do that solo 800 to 900dps would be about the max doable for under 1 billon solo. But what would be the point. Solo ships with nothing but tank are pointless.
And that is the point of the whole thread. Thank you for agreeing with us.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2008.08.02 19:39:00 - [26]
 

People dont take Drakes in solo PvP as full tank setups do they?

The first post is pretty silly as the setup would eat though most BC's 1v1. It hardly proves anything about Drakes.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.08.02 19:46:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
The first post is pretty silly as the setup would eat though most BC's 1v1. It hardly proves anything about Drakes.
It proves that the PST Drake is easy to beat, unlike what's stated in the other thread.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.08.02 20:08:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Pottsey
The first post is pretty silly as the setup would eat though most BC's 1v1. It hardly proves anything about Drakes.
It proves that the PST Drake is easy to beat, unlike what's stated in the other thread.

Bingo, and linkage added.
Plus, Pottsey, you should have known about it and realize this is a "response thread", you posted in the other thread quite a bit too.
Wink

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.02 20:18:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: The Djego on 02/08/2008 20:19:56
Originally by: McDonALTs


All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!


A Battlecruiser, gets killed by a Gank fitted BS? Is this Game breaking? Even a full Tank fitted BS can get killed by a Gank Fitted BS. Your point?

Also Tanked BS(not passive) melt in realty most of the time faster than a Drake...

Ps.: Your Fitting is terible, Domi can gank way better if you want to. Laughing

McDonALTs
Posted - 2008.08.02 20:30:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: McDonALTs on 02/08/2008 20:35:08
Originally by: The Djego
Edited by: The Djego on 02/08/2008 20:19:56
Originally by: McDonALTs


All Conventional Drake Passive tanks get melted by the above easaly, so whats the fuss about? The above is far cheaper unrigged due to insurance than a tripple purger drake due to loss after insurance!


A Battlecruiser, gets killed by a Gank fitted BS? Is this Game breaking? Even a full Tank fitted BS can get killed by a Gank Fitted BS. Your point?

Also Tanked BS(not passive) melt in realty most of the time faster than a Drake...

Ps.: Your Fitting is terible, Domi can gank way better if you want to. Laughing


Anybody can put a better gank fit. I, on purpose, put a unrigged, plated, EANM/DC tanked Large rep Gank Domi with 24k scram and short range MWD disabling scram, propulsion mod and web. If I missed any of these, people would say stuff like "Ahh but its missing a 'x'", or even a "those rigs are unreasonable" etc etc. I even had a heavy cap booster so people cannot dismiss the fit entirely.

This way nobody can claim its a trick fit domi because real domi's are fitted to the same level or better - as you say so yourself.

My Point is that people who think passive tanking is impossible to beat are incorrect.

Also, with regards of BS vs BC, A Gank Harbringer, or even a Blaster Myrmadon can also easaly rip a Passive drake to shreds.

So if a crapfit dominix that has every feature a pvp ship can use, imagine what a well fitted dominix can do.

And a Dominix unrigged is cheaper than a drake rigged with purgers. A Myrmadon rigged beats a drake passive purger easaly as well.


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