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Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:11:00 - [1]
 

I am a former member of Razor Alliance, i was a member of Razor over quite a few months and in my time there enjoyed PVP, the friendship it offered, the companions i became a brother to and joining a great corporation full of like-minded people.

Over time the corporation continued to grow and CEI continued to attempt to steal out top PVPers - Considering we were always no#2 on the killboard next to CEI (who were 3 times our size) it was quite frustrating when they did this... but suffice to say we didnt pay much heed, they were allies after all...

I started off in Razor as a member of CEI - after not liking their way of things i joined DAB - My brothers, my comrades, my friends.

Over the next few months we continued to fight on up north, losing our space to MC + co, taking it back from the established alliances there, but something rang funny within Razor during this time... it was a slight ammount of contempt within Razor against the fact our corp were outspoken against the 'overlords' as it were (CEI).

The BoB war came, Razor participated, and Razor corporations became more aware of what CEI was doing...

The bob war ended and we went back north due to a new possible threat from ATF - which was stopped... then the internal situation turned sour... CEI started pulling rank on other corporations within the alliance, they asserted themselfs as the overall ruler of RZR and pushed everything they could with force.

Then a discovery was made, CEI were making motherships... but to fund these motherships alliance minerals and isk were used... Disc0's origional mothership was made this way, Disc0's replacement mothership was also funded via alliance funds as are almost all CEI motherships... DAB found this out, so CEI took steps.

CEI went behind DABs back and threatened two other corporations of the alliance with the possibility of being booted, it was either them or kick DAB, they chose DAB...

Then DAB found out the Razor Titan was being built (even before CEI had said anything about it - this was also funded by alliance funds) - The titan was to be piloted by a CEI member... DAB was removed from Razor alliance... we vowed revenge, we got it due to a certain individual always having a plan B in place should anything go south (hi Fred0 - didn't I tell you you'd regret it).

Now this continues...

I beseech Black Plague and all other Razor corporations, check the alliance holding corporation's wallet, check what the funds are used for, you will find the proof you need. CEI is using Razor as its own piggy bank, nothing more nothing less.

Fred0 and Disc0 need to stand up and take whatever is given to them for what they have done. Ernest also has a hand in this since he's pretty much the puppet master here.

Suffice to say, CEI are pretty much doing whatever they want with the RAZOR alliance funds... they manipulate, cheat and lie to get what they want... iv held this in for some time now due to respect for certain individuals within Razor, Cent + a few others, but no longer... Razor tries to target me, you just painted a huge red cross on your @ss...

See you in game.

Aneu Angellus

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:13:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Graalum on 29/07/2008 20:14:34
first please?

edit: so what is fredo supposed to be regretting?

Fitz VonHeise
Caldari
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:14:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 29/07/2008 20:24:01

2nd


EDIT:

Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Suffice to say, CEI are pretty much doing whatever they want with the RAZOR alliance funds... they manipulate, cheat and lie to get what they want...
What were you told the alliance funds were suppose to go towards? If they said for Motherships and Titans then they built what they said they were.

In other words the funds were SUPPOSE to go towards something.
The "what" is the question.

Pesadel0
Minmatar
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:15:00 - [4]
 

3rd ,could we get forum [email protected]?


Ackaroth
Gallente
Plundering Penguins
Anarchy.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:15:00 - [5]
 

Hi Aneu. Am I doing this right?

Shardrael
Caldari
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:16:00 - [6]
 

so let me get this right, the CEO of an alliance and some of his leadership are using alliance funds and the alliance for what they think it should be used for?

I'll call CNN if you wanna call FOX.

Gissa
Gallente
Johnny Horton is not that good actually
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:19:00 - [7]
 

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hangnoose
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:20:00 - [8]
 

Look look im replying because I care!


Wait... no I don't

Machine Delta
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:21:00 - [9]
 

You know this kind of crap seems to happen to every alliance you're in. Makes you kind of wonder if you're just a drama queen.

Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Machine Delta
You know this kind of crap seems to happen to every alliance you're in. Makes you kind of wonder if you're just a drama queen.


Every alliance has a sell-by date... but yes, I am totally to blame for CEI's wrong-doings, I see the light now. I am sorry. Rolling Eyes

Artemis Drake
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:23:00 - [11]
 

oh dear Anue.

Monsieur Escargots
Gallente
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:23:00 - [12]
 

This just in:..

Alliance builds ships!

Nugry7
Amarr
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:23:00 - [13]
 

hehehe only thing i could think of..

do you realy think any one realy cares what you have to say?


Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:24:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Monsieur Escargots
This just in:..

Alliance builds ships!


You seem emo, are you ernest?

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:24:00 - [15]
 

It is always the same.

First it is:

"What is good for the alliance, is good for us."

Then it is:

"What is good for us, is good for the alliance."

And then it is:

"Only what is good for us, is good for the alliance."

Unless you have some (strong) real life friendships, it will sooner or later end like this, doesn't matter if it is alliance or corp, it only needs to be big enough and partitioned.

Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:24:00 - [16]
 

Why don't you ask the CEO of the Razor holding corp, a member of Roving Guns, what alliance funds are being used for?

*hint* it's neither supercaps nor supercap replacements Laughing

Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Nugry7
hehehe only thing i could think of..

do you realy think any one realy cares what you have to say?




Probably not, so why did you post?

Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:25:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Aneu Angellus
... we vowed revenge, we got it due to a certain individual always having a plan B in place should anything go south (hi Fred0 - didn't I tell you you'd regret it).





elaborate please or it didn't happen.

Machine Delta
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Originally by: Machine Delta
You know this kind of crap seems to happen to every alliance you're in. Makes you kind of wonder if you're just a drama queen.


Every alliance has a sell-by date... but yes, I am totally to blame for CEI's wrong-doings, I see the light now. I am sorry. Rolling Eyes


Even if you aren't, I bet they would be better if you left.

Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:26:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shirei
Why don't you ask the CEO of the Razor holding corp, a member of Roving Guns, what alliance funds are being used for?

*hint* it's neither supercaps nor supercap replacements Laughing


We will see... lets wait a week while people look at the logs...

Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
... we vowed revenge, we got it due to a certain individual always having a plan B in place should anything go south (hi Fred0 - didn't I tell you you'd regret it).





elaborate please or it didn't happen.


A certain DAB individual (no names lol) got the Razor Titan killed...

Salvar Ar'adim
Gallente
State Property
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:27:00 - [22]
 

posting in a Razor Failure Cascade thread. Just wait, watch it crash down around us! Wink

cheephough
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:27:00 - [23]
 

I can't corroborate the alliance iskies going the way of the CEI, so I won't. But I will corroborate that CEI is the overlord of Razor, and those that don't lap at their coat tails will be dealt with.

When Galaxian was leaving Fail of Three (as I like to call it) we were determining where we would go. Couple of vets were all "Razor Razor Razor!" and a couple of others were like "I'd rather eat **** than join them), but we opted to try Razor.

They graciously let us in. First thing we do is throw every single corp asset we could into that brilliant failure to take V7-MID the first time. That was probably our mistake in going to that extent to 'show our value' because it totally ****ed us, so we'll take the hit on that one.

Anyhow, being in the alliance director forums, I noticed some funky stuff going on. Seems that some people in the alliance had some form of immunity, when their actions were inexcusable. Ernest, Gustovwhatevertheheckyername is, well, basically, CEI on a whole. If they crossed a line, it was always "Yeah, well, they probably deserved it"

It would basically take a mini-revolt within Razor for Fred0 and Disc0 to admit "OK, that was wrong, we'll deal with it", but then poof... never heard of it again.

If something was posted they didn't like, poof, it would either dissappear, or, much to the delight of some of the CEI members, that 'deliquent's' post would be changed by one of them as a joke.

Anyhow, it was a mistake on Galaxian to join Razor, and a mistake on Razor's part to take us in.

When I've made a similar post like this going on about CEI's 'my way or the highway' antics, I've received evemail thanking me for stating it, because nobody inside Razor has the balls to do it for fear of being kicked.

And yeah, I'm hanging in Aneu's corp, because well, we both can't stand Ernest, and figure if we're in the same corp, we won't have to put up with his TS antics.

Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:27:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Originally by: Machine Delta
You know this kind of crap seems to happen to every alliance you're in. Makes you kind of wonder if you're just a drama queen.


Every alliance has a sell-by date... but yes, I am totally to blame for CEI's wrong-doings, I see the light now. I am sorry. Rolling Eyes


Even if you aren't, I bet they would be better if you left.


Burn! I'm on fire! yawn, away with you weeble.

Havohej
Minmatar
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:29:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Shirei
Why don't you ask the CEO of the Razor holding corp, a member of Roving Guns, what alliance funds are being used for?

*hint* it's neither supercaps nor supercap replacements Laughing


Never been in RZR, idk what your internal workings are about, so on, so forth, but...

Aren't supercaps supposed to be an alliance-level project? Are people really expected to have personal titans like that Hegemon Rast dude? If so, how do I get 80 bil for my own titan?

I know I've been doing it wrong, but... that wrong?

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:30:00 - [26]
 

Someone tell me if i need to remove aneu from ignore for a worthwhile post to read itt (I don't think so).

Dalek Commander
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:31:00 - [27]
 

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Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:31:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Someone tell me if i need to remove aneu from ignore for a worthwhile post to read itt (I don't think so).


I'm glad you ignored me, it proves I won...

cheephough
Caldari
Infinite Improbability Inc
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:32:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Someone tell me if i need to remove aneu from ignore for a worthwhile post to read itt (I don't think so).


Nah, you can skip this one Cippa... you've heard it all before Cool

Aneu Angellus
Caldari
VoTF.
Posted - 2008.07.29 20:32:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Dalek Commander
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I see, so a single corporation creates motherships for most of their directors out of the alliance fund and that's hunky dory, yes that makes great sense!


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