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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.07.26 22:52:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/08/2008 16:10:06
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/08/2008 16:38:39

CSM Formal Meeting 8. Sunday 3rd August. 16:00 hours Eve Time

Agenda:

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

1. tba
2. tba

CSM Raised ISSUEs (to be submitted in templated form to CSM mailing list by 18:00 hours Friday 1st August.)

1. The "nano-nerf" implications as per dev blog - Popular Issue
2. Musical Instruments in Ambulation - Bane
3. Specific Proposal for 0.0 Sovereignty Revamp - Jade
4. Remove Ship Maintenance Bay Restriction - Inanna
5. Covert Cyno Fields should ignore Cyno Jammers - Jade/Tusko
6. Turn Titans into Mobile Stations - Bane
7. Remote rep criminal flagging is broken - Jade
8. Autopilot Options in FW - Avoid enemy Sov - Inanna
9. Covert Jump bridge activation range (too short) - Jade
10. Changing Carriers Combat Roles - Bane
11. Prime fiction for the 3rd bloodline (more needed) - Jade
12. MOTD for Fleet/Gang window - Jade

POPULAR Issue (Biggest unaddressed Assembly Hall Issue – will be added after CSM raised ISSUEs.)

1. Its speed this meeting being added in as Issue 1.

AOB (Any other business) (additions can be submitted prior 18:00 hours Friday 1st August)

1. tba
2. tba

***

All CSM delegates and Alternates are invited to attend.

Serenity Steele is on holiday and we'll need at least one alternate for voting, lets try to have as many people as possible present.

LetsDoThis
Posted - 2008.07.27 04:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: LetsDoThis on 29/07/2008 03:09:21
Well, at least there will be a week to test the speed changes before you try to convince to devs to not test things on the test server.

Hay hay hay! I found the reply you'll get about last weekend's temper tantrum jade.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=831524&page=22#636

Originally by: CCP Dionysus
Originally by: Asterisk Grat
-
- Nano is part of the game and Nano you'll never catch me is a problem This why we see proposed changed. As long as this change doesn't hurt an average 2500-3000 speeds average Joe gets with simple tech II models.



The basic speeds in the 1k-3k/sec areas are basically untouched, in fact boosted in a few cases.

Its mainly the huge multipliers you get when combining large numbers of speed bonuses which used to get you to the 10-30km/sec speeds. They have been "nerfed".

Check it out on sisi come monday. These changes need play testing by a lot of people, which is why we are giving so much time for you guys to play around with it (about a month).

This weekend's knee-jerk comments will be taken with a large grain of salt. If you (in general "you") want to do something about these changes, then get on sisi and try out various scenarios and give feedback then :)

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.07.27 08:34:00 - [3]
 

Damn. I'm leaving for my trip to seattle that day.

How come it's on a sunday anyways?

Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.08.01 10:25:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 01/08/2008 14:47:30
* Capital Ship's Ship maintenance bay revisited
* Another tranche of UI issues and improvements (various threads)
* Autopilot options in the light of FW

IZ

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.01 16:40:00 - [5]
 


Updated with Bane and Inanna's issues.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.01 16:42:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Damn. I'm leaving for my trip to seattle that day.
How come it's on a sunday anyways?


Was the day most of us could make on a regular basis and we generally announce the next meeting at the end of the previous one. Just to remind you we agreed we'd have 2 bi weekly meetings prior to the end of august/beginning of sept CSM/CCP formal discussion, this one on 3rd of august, and another on 17th of august (when we'll be submitting issues to ccp).


Jodie Amille
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2008.08.03 02:27:00 - [7]
 

It would be really nice if you guys would bring up the problems with Minmatar battleships, capitals and the problems with projectiles in general(at least artillery) in one of those open slots...

Aleus Stygian
Posted - 2008.08.03 06:54:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 03/08/2008 07:47:32
I eat babies they are tasty

No, really. Check this **** out. I am really, really, really trying to be constructive here. Before you people go and start knocking the walls down.

LetsDoThis
Posted - 2008.08.03 08:08:00 - [9]
 

Your link is extremely broken.

Dranearian
Black Nova Corp
Posted - 2008.08.03 08:27:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Dranearian on 03/08/2008 08:27:35
Edited by: Dranearian on 03/08/2008 08:26:47
I propose that the behavior of CSM members be brought up at this meeting. Arrogance, and outright personal attacks should NOT be acceptable from someone in the CSM, especially someone that chairs the program. The CSM has already lost the faith of many, and something needs to be done to even remotely start building up a reputation as something useful and worth paying attention to.

The first step would be to take action and swiftly kick the guilty parties rear out the door.


Evidence that there is a problem can be found here: Multiple pages of trash from Jade Constantine


Shaemell Buttleson
Posted - 2008.08.03 11:19:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Dranearian
Edited by: Dranearian on 03/08/2008 08:27:35
Edited by: Dranearian on 03/08/2008 08:26:47
I propose that the behavior of CSM members be brought up at this meeting. Arrogance, and outright personal attacks should NOT be acceptable from someone in the CSM, especially someone that chairs the program. The CSM has already lost the faith of many, and something needs to be done to even remotely start building up a reputation as something useful and worth paying attention to.

The first step would be to take action and swiftly kick the guilty parties rear out the door.


Evidence that there is a problem can be found here: Multiple pages of trash from Jade Constantine




Years ago before Parliament was televised live sometimes I'd tune into it live on radio.

The insults, name calling, stupid noises and the utter lack of respect to the speakers was unbelievable at times and I'm sorry to say it but it seems the CSM is like this the majority of the time or it certainly comes across this way.

Basicly until the elected behave with more decorum and profesionalism the majority of the EvE subscribers will have very little faith in the CSM.

Possibly this is why only a small percentage of the subscribers didn't vote in the first place because they didn't want to be bothered with all the pettiness they knew would follow.

Unfortunately it looks as if they are right which is a big shame because I feel this was/could have been a step in the right direction.




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.03 13:23:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/08/2008 13:43:16

Originally by: Dranearian

I propose that the behavior of CSM members be brought up at this meeting. Arrogance, and outright personal attacks should NOT be acceptable from someone in the CSM, especially someone that chairs the program. The CSM has already lost the faith of many, and something needs to be done to even remotely start building up a reputation as something useful and worth paying attention to.

The first step would be to take action and swiftly kick the guilty parties rear out the door.


Evidence that there is a problem can be found here: Multiple pages of trash from Jade Constantine




This is the thread where RuleofBone and the ex veto guys suggested that the current CSM be disbanded and replaced with an unelected group of "verone, rells, eddz and some guy with glasses from eve tv" to ensure that RuleofBone would have the "dark and dangerous" eve he wanted?

Then when some people called him on how stupid that idea was the veto guys started crying about the standards of elected officials actually having the poor taste to come and say that a stupid idea was a stupid idea?

Short answer is "no". If you want an issue on the CSM agenda make an Issue and get a CSM to support it. No support for Rule's shortcutting of democratic decision-making here.



Sergio Ling
Posted - 2008.08.03 16:54:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/08/2008 13:43:16

Originally by: Dranearian

I propose that the behavior of CSM members be brought up at this meeting. Arrogance, and outright personal attacks should NOT be acceptable from someone in the CSM, especially someone that chairs the program. The CSM has already lost the faith of many, and something needs to be done to even remotely start building up a reputation as something useful and worth paying attention to.

The first step would be to take action and swiftly kick the guilty parties rear out the door.


Evidence that there is a problem can be found here: Multiple pages of trash from Jade Constantine




This is the thread where RuleofBone and the ex veto guys suggested that the current CSM be disbanded and replaced with an unelected group of "verone, rells, eddz and some guy with glasses from eve tv" to ensure that RuleofBone would have the "dark and dangerous" eve he wanted?

Then when some people called him on how stupid that idea was the veto guys started crying about the standards of elected officials actually having the poor taste to come and say that a stupid idea was a stupid idea?

Short answer is "no". If you want an issue on the CSM agenda make an Issue and get a CSM to support it. No support for Rule's shortcutting of democratic decision-making here.





Wow, you're Twisty McTwistington.

It's nothing like that. It's a thread where you dismiss people's opinions because they're "not players, they're whiners" and therefore not worthy of your golden stare.

Dranearian
Black Nova Corp
Posted - 2008.08.03 16:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Dranearian on 03/08/2008 17:06:05
And you start the personal insults here as well?

If you happened to actually, you know, read anyones replies instead of just assuming things and making an ass out of yourself you would realize two things: Noone ever once insulted you until you started the ****ing match, and even then the insults were nothing in comparison to the trash you were provoking others with. and Two: Nowhere did anyone ONCE say that they themselves should be put in the place of the CSM. If I recall, half the people in that thread believe the CSM is a farce and wouldn't want to participate anyways.

Nice try though.

But the simple fact remains, if you TRULY believe in the CSM, and what it stands for, you should do the best thing for it and remove yourself. You lose supporters every day with your pathetic behavior and you are driving the CSM into the ground. And considering how most people think the CSM is a farce in the first place, you shouldn't be treating what little supporters you have that way in the first place. I can't speak for anyone else, but after reading countless threads I can only assume I am not alone in saying I will never support the CSM as anything until you are gone from it jade.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.03 19:36:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/08/2008 19:43:17

Outcome of todays meeting.

Full Chatlog of meeting 8 is here.

1. The "nano-nerf" implications as per dev blog - Popular Issue

CSM voted 4-4 not to escalate or make any kind of collective statement on the current speed patch on SISI.

2. Musical Instruments in Ambulation - Bane

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

3. Specific Proposal for 0.0 Sovereignty Revamp - Jade

CSM voted against escalating this proposal.

4. Remove Ship Maintenance Bay Restriction - Inanna

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

5. Covert Cyno Fields should ignore Cyno Jammers - Jade/Tusko

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

6. Turn Titans into Mobile Stations - Bane

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

7. Remote rep criminal flagging is broken - Jade

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

8. Autopilot Options in FW - Avoid enemy Sov - Inanna

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

9. Covert Jump bridge activation range (too short) - Jade

CSM voted to escalate this proposal.

10. Changing Carriers Combat Roles - Bane

Meeting adjourned before the vote because we slipped beneath the quorum with people needing to leave. Issue will be revoted on the next agenda.

11. Prime fiction for the 3rd bloodline (more needed) - Jade

Delayed till next meeting

12. MOTD for Fleet/Gang window - Jade

Delayed till next meeting

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.03 23:41:00 - [16]
 

While I appreciate you using your corp forums to host the chatlogs, can we please go abck to Serenity posting them on the eve-csm site? Even a link to the JF threads, so I can find them more easily, would be appreciated.

As for the vote people care about, I find it rather disappointing no decision was made. If you don't say something now, you really won't have a chance in two weeks, let alone two months.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.03 23:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
While I appreciate you using your corp forums to host the chatlogs, can we please go abck to Serenity posting them on the eve-csm site? Even a link to the JF threads, so I can find them more easily, would be appreciated.


Serenity is on holiday at the moment so there won't be any eve-csm.com updates for a bit. Sorry its inconvenient but its the only option I can think for posting them at the moment.

Quote:
As for the vote people care about, I find it rather disappointing no decision was made. If you don't say something now, you really won't have a chance in two weeks, let alone two months.


I know. I was very disappointed as well. I felt it was a big missed opportunity and a real shame.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.08.04 00:45:00 - [18]
 

I'd just like to thank Bane, Darius, Tusko, and Inanna for screwing the population over and refusing to comment on an ongoing change in gameplay that will affect everyone. Especially when you know this is just going to come up down the road later.

Even Ank, the carebear extraordinare, was on the ball with her comment...

Quote:
[ 2008.08.03 16:24:34 ]...I'd say this is the most important phase of the process, and that if we're going to have any imput on this at all, we'll have to do it in the next few weeks so it can still be considered.


Way to go.

Bane Glorious
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.08.04 01:40:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sakura Nihil
I'd just like to thank Bane, Darius, Tusko, and Inanna for screwing the population over and refusing to comment on an ongoing change in gameplay that will affect everyone. Especially when you know this is just going to come up down the road later.

Even Ank, the carebear extraordinare, was on the ball with her comment...

Quote:
[ 2008.08.03 16:24:34 ]...I'd say this is the most important phase of the process, and that if we're going to have any imput on this at all, we'll have to do it in the next few weeks so it can still be considered.


Way to go.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.04 02:40:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
While I appreciate you using your corp forums to host the chatlogs, can we please go abck to Serenity posting them on the eve-csm site? Even a link to the JF threads, so I can find them more easily, would be appreciated.


Serenity is on holiday at the moment so there won't be any eve-csm.com updates for a bit. Sorry its inconvenient but its the only option I can think for posting them at the moment.


The last chatlog posted on eve-csm was June 8th. If it was one or two meetings, I wouldn't mind so much, but it's been two months.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.08.04 03:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
While I appreciate you using your corp forums to host the chatlogs, can we please go abck to Serenity posting them on the eve-csm site? Even a link to the JF threads, so I can find them more easily, would be appreciated.


Serenity is on holiday at the moment so there won't be any eve-csm.com updates for a bit. Sorry its inconvenient but its the only option I can think for posting them at the moment.


The last chatlog posted on eve-csm was June 8th. If it was one or two meetings, I wouldn't mind so much, but it's been two months.


Not sure what I can say really. Its not my site. I'll keep a record of the chatlogs like I promised and post them somewhere but ultimately the eve-csm stuff will have to wait for Serenity.


Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.08.04 06:22:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Not sure what I can say really. Its not my site. I'll keep a record of the chatlogs like I promised and post them somewhere but ultimately the eve-csm stuff will have to wait for Serenity.


Sorry if it seemed like I'm blaming you, I'm not. Just general annoyance. It's just as much aimed at CCP, of course - if not more, Serenity's not getting paid for this - but I don't expect as much out of their Soon(tm) as I do from a player.

Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned
Posted - 2008.08.04 07:41:00 - [23]
 

Could the forum rules be amended so that semi-official CSM threads aren't instantly inundated by yet more off-topic demands that Jade be burned alive and his family butchered?

If Agony/Veto is going to hijack every thread Jade posts in regardless of the content of the original thread, nothing is ever going to get done.

_____

Guys, if Jade is the bane of your existence and you are determined to have him pulled down and hanged for his terrible crimes, make a thread of your own. That way I can choose not to click on it.

Thanks.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.04 09:51:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mr Friendly


If Agony/Veto is going to hijack every thread Jade posts in regardless of the content of the original thread, nothing is ever going to get done.


When I post, it's with my own opinion, not that of my corporation. If people in my corp happen to post it's off their own backs. I don't see me hijacking any threads, simply putting my albeit harsh opinion forward, to be met with a barrage of abuse and hostility from the CSM chair because he can't handle the fact someone feels he's doing a bad job.

Anyway, not to cause issues here I'll get back on topic.

I agree with how the CSM have voted regarding the nano changes, I think it's a good idea to see how the patch develops since it's still only in testing on SiSi and is subject to change. I think it's also a good idea that the CSM are waiting and not jumping the gun on the issue, it's good to see that some of the members can show some restraint and wait to see how the situation will develop. There's been a lot of kneejerk reaction, and it shows some stability in the ranks of the CSM that people can sit back and wait for the patch to evolve in testing before they make any suggestions on how to change it. I'm sure ideas and suggestions are already flooding in, past the CSM straight to CCP, at least that's how it seems from the game development forum.

On a personal note, in most respects I like the changes although it will make life difficult for myself and my corp at times. It's going to make the lives of a lowsec pirate corp a lot more difficult with the arrival of factional warfare, and speed being our only real advantage against the Militia blobs. Since we rely solely on belt pirating income and try to avoid static camping as much as possible, the changes to how a bubble camp will work and how sucessful it will be don't really affect us.

I think that the changes are good for the game overall, and in time people will grow accustomed to them. I'm a bit dubious about the changes to the MWD, and the addition of a scrambler being able to deactivate it, but I think this is purely on personal preference since I have a fondness of blaster boats. Blaster boats don't seem too gimped by the state of play on sisi at the current build, and there's always ways to adapt, it just takes time.

On a more general note, I respect the fact that this is CCP's game, and we play for the privilege of being able to play it. Hence, I'll do what I always do, and encourage my corporation to do the same : Adapt.


RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2008.08.04 13:29:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Mr Friendly
Could the forum rules be amended so that semi-official CSM threads aren't instantly inundated by yet more off-topic demands that Jade be burned alive and his family butchered?

If Agony/Veto is going to hijack every thread Jade posts in regardless of the content of the original thread, nothing is ever going to get done.

Guys, if Jade is the bane of your existence and you are determined to have him pulled down and hanged for his terrible crimes, make a thread of your own. That way I can choose not to click on it.

Thanks.


Apparently you have not read the chatlog. Let me enlighten you with a very relevant sample (and this is how a thread hijack should be done):

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[ 2008.08.03 19:08:17 ] Darius JOHNSON > How many 0.0 sov contests have you been in ankh?
[ 2008.08.03 19:08:33 ] Bane Glorious > "It may only work half way, and halfway isn't all the way, but half of the way is still part of the way, and that's worth something"
[ 2008.08.03 19:08:52 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Remember I took a tour through 0.0 to ask dozens of people their opinions on that, Darius.
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:09 ] Ankhesentapemkah > So I got quite a good view what joe average in 0.0 thinks.
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:12 ] Darius JOHNSON > Man I wish I could do a survey and make sweeping statements about what is good or bad
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:31 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Well at least I talk to joe averages.
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:31 ] Darius JOHNSON > Fact: You have 0 experience
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:39 ] Bane Glorious > I don't mean to be rude, but a few hours (maybe?) in 0.0 is really not a comprehensive understanding
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:39 ] Darius JOHNSON > So don't tell me what's boring
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:44 ] Dierdra Vaal > guys, we are getting off track here...
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:57 ] Ankhesentapemkah > If 50 RANDOM people in game say so, who are you to question that?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Yep....I for sure want she-whose-name-sounds-like-sneeze to be involved in anything to do with ship/game balancing.

And voting to not have a position on the proposed speed balance changes despite huge feedback threads to the initial dev blog, SISI test commentary in the development forum, and rather large for/against votes in the Assembly Hall area is generously described as a cop-out. Not even an attempt to discuss the mechanics or the scope of the changes. "Wait and see" is a bit weak given the obvious CCP dev time and software resources spent on getting a full blown patch of this scale onto the test server--or did you folks think they cobbled the whole thing together in 5 minutes. Yeeeesh.

Now Mr Friendly...squashing dissenting views from active players (or paying customers) is not the way to go. I don't care if JC & company remain as CSM reps..but as the initial purpose of the CSM was to act as a quasi-watchdog over future potential abuse ingame by non-players (i.s. devs/gm's/whoever) I take issue with any of them playing "game-design god" on our behalf when they are clearly unable to do so.

Part of that is CCP's fault for not providing a stricter framework. The balance of blame goes to those who feel the CSM is any more than the originally intended watchdog.


Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.08.04 16:28:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: RuleoftheBone
but as the initial purpose of the CSM was to act as a quasi-watchdog over future potential abuse ingame by non-players (i.s. devs/gm's/whoever)
...
Part of that is CCP's fault for not providing a stricter framework. The balance of blame goes to those who feel the CSM is any more than the originally intended watchdog.



Rule, get over the CSM as a corruption watchdog rubbish. The idea behind that was thrown out as soon as the CSM documents were published by CCP and the direction of the CSM was outlined as having nothing to do with that original idea.

Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari
Wife Aggro Productions
Posted - 2008.08.04 16:46:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Vladimir Tinakin on 04/08/2008 16:48:34
I think the CSM's position vis-a-vis the nanonerf is a fair one to take--for now.

What people need to understand is that the CSM by design is not something that can react quickly, nor should it. It is intended to help address the perceived grievances of the players. At this stage, there are no grievances to be had regarding the nanonerf, since nothing is live.

Yes, there is a large amount of change and testing going on over at Sisi...but its all still being tested and balanced and investigated.

If and when the changes get finalized enough to make it into patch notes, THEN and only then should the CSM get involved. The nano nerf is certainly on their radar to keep an eye on, and the vote reflects that. However, it is entirely inappropriate for them to take a stance on something that isn't even in the damned game yet.

The CSM is a petitioning body and an alternative way to get issues recognized by CCP. CCP can and will also hear out player concerns directly if they feel like it--and I believe they are closely watching the test server forum for just that feedback. They(CCP) can and will also change anything they want about the game, if they feel like it. We play in their sandbox, not the other way around.

Nanos WILL be nerfed. The devs are pretty damn clear on that aspect--if for no other reason than they are straining the (obsolete) physics engine the game uses. Demanding the CSM somehow prevent the inevitable is both useless and wasteful of your time in this world.

Requesting them to have CCP examine or adjust a specific feature of the nerf once it's been relatively finalized, however, is a different situation altogether.



Now, the points against all the posturing and pointless arguing are quite valid...however I also have to agree that someone shouldn't hold their position as Enlightened just because of a random survey. I applaud the motivation behind seeking informed opinion, but a large lump of sodium chloride needs to be taken with it--use something like that to provide some frame of reference, but not the crux of a position.



tl;dr: they're dong a decent job. Could be tighter, though--but they are acting as a council and not as a rubber stamp.

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2008.08.04 17:01:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
but as the initial purpose of the CSM was to act as a quasi-watchdog over future potential abuse ingame by non-players (i.s. devs/gm's/whoever)
...
Part of that is CCP's fault for not providing a stricter framework. The balance of blame goes to those who feel the CSM is any more than the originally intended watchdog.



Rule, get over the CSM as a corruption watchdog rubbish. The idea behind that was thrown out as soon as the CSM documents were published by CCP and the direction of the CSM was outlined as having nothing to do with that original idea.


Hilmar Petursson, CCP’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview. “Eve Online is not a computer game. It is an emerging nation, and we have to address it like a nation being accused of corruption...

where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis."


The NY Times and CEO of CCP are incorrect? Interesting.



LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.08.04 17:12:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
but as the initial purpose of the CSM was to act as a quasi-watchdog over future potential abuse ingame by non-players (i.s. devs/gm's/whoever)
...
Part of that is CCP's fault for not providing a stricter framework. The balance of blame goes to those who feel the CSM is any more than the originally intended watchdog.



Rule, get over the CSM as a corruption watchdog rubbish. The idea behind that was thrown out as soon as the CSM documents were published by CCP and the direction of the CSM was outlined as having nothing to do with that original idea.


Hilmar Petursson, CCP’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview. “Eve Online is not a computer game. It is an emerging nation, and we have to address it like a nation being accused of corruption...

where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis."


The NY Times and CEO of CCP are incorrect? Interesting.




But can't we do that? I'm sure if we request it based on player feedback, we can do exactly that.

Though picture of the CSM that was drawn by NYT is not how Xhagen(The guy who created CSM) had intended it, I'm sure we can shape the CSM ourselves, enough for it to be the case.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.08.04 17:30:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Omber Zombie


Rule, get over the CSM as a corruption watchdog rubbish. The idea behind that was thrown out as soon as the CSM documents were published by CCP and the direction of the CSM was outlined as having nothing to do with that original idea.


Hilmar Petursson, CCP’s chief executive, said in a telephone interview. “Eve Online is not a computer game. It is an emerging nation, and we have to address it like a nation being accused of corruption...

where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis."


The NY Times and CEO of CCP are incorrect? Interesting.



again, if you want to live in the past, go do so with your triple mwd scorpion.


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