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Artemis
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
Posted - 2008.08.04 13:54:00 - [4021]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]

<skipped>

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.



No MWD, no disruptor, faction modules, T2 rigs, nosferatu... Please, do not write about pvp more.

L Cross
Posted - 2008.08.04 14:09:00 - [4022]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dark Blood Small Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II

Ogre II x5

DPS: 634

Defense: 904

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.



Let me guess this is your alt nozh. And thats about a 500 mil fitting u have there. Why would i use that fitting when a drake can tank more and cost about 1/5 the cost.

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.08.04 15:44:00 - [4023]
 

My Ishtar is equipped with the following,




ps stabwounds is terrible

Gragnor
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.08.04 15:58:00 - [4024]
 

I just tried out the "new vagabond". The horrific conclusion - If you do not review these changes you have destroyed Minmatar as a viable PvP race for anything over a cruiser.

Minmatar capitals are the worst in the game.
Minmatar BS are underpowered; you REFUSE to admit the Typhoon basic design is fundamentally flawed. It is no longer quite as agile or fastest - what were you trying to achieve here? The Tempest remains a bit of this and a bit of that - NO tank whatsoever. As for the Malestrom, its still stupid. Whoever heard of a slow, tanking tub of lard for a guerilla warfare specialist race?

Minmatar is the race of agility and speed, high alpha, should be high dps but it isn't and reasonable but comparatively weak tanks. If this goes ahead MATAR (May As well Train for the Amarr Race) certainly fits.

Nanosilliness was the target of these changes yet what you have done goes to to the core of playability. How can you get the changes so out of kilter? How could put forward proposals you know are simply far to out of whack to be accepted? Why alienate your entire player base with STUPID over the top changes, when all that was needed was tweaking to reduce speeds and prevent silly outcomes?

Why are you trying to make Eve fights all the same? Warp in at 100km and whale away, align and warp out and pray the lag monster doesn't get you?

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2008.08.04 16:04:00 - [4025]
 

Originally by: Gragnor

Minmatar capitals are the worst in the game.



actually, the minnie carrier is best to have in a carrier ball due to its boni
and the naglfer is vertical. if that counts Razz

everything else you said however is pretty accurate.

Dracorimus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.04 16:05:00 - [4026]
 

Originally by: L Cross
Edited by: L Cross on 04/08/2008 13:04:28
With the proposed changes the scram becomes an instant "you have no mwd buttton" and that we already have a module that does this ITS CALLED AN ENERGY NEUT.

And does anyone realise with the proposed changes any intercepter will be able to hold down a hac and have potential imunity? As webs will only be 50% effective the intercepter will just orbit at 10kms and the hac cant do ****.

CCP need to realise we already have counters to nano ships, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUFF THE COUNTERS instead of trying to implement a dozen changes that will effect every ship in the game.

Does CCP realise that HACs are only viable in pvp because of their speed. They are unisurable why would i tank a ishtar and spend 150 mil when i can get a domy and only have the pay 20mil after insurance.

IF these changes go thru hac will not be used in pvp at all because a single intercepter will kill them.

Well welcome to battleships and capitals online!!!


Dude seriously, I kill interceptors now already with my hac just fine, not webbed em either, scorch M loaded, tracking enhancer II, instant dead ceptors........

Dont believe me ?

Here: Ceptor 1
Here: Ceptor 2
Here: Ceptor 3

Omg I must be awesome ...... hmm

Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.08.04 16:13:00 - [4027]
 

Originally by: Dracorimus
Originally by: L Cross
Edited by: L Cross on 04/08/2008 13:04:28
With the proposed changes the scram becomes an instant "you have no mwd buttton" and that we already have a module that does this ITS CALLED AN ENERGY NEUT.

And does anyone realise with the proposed changes any intercepter will be able to hold down a hac and have potential imunity? As webs will only be 50% effective the intercepter will just orbit at 10kms and the hac cant do ****.

CCP need to realise we already have counters to nano ships, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUFF THE COUNTERS instead of trying to implement a dozen changes that will effect every ship in the game.

Does CCP realise that HACs are only viable in pvp because of their speed. They are unisurable why would i tank a ishtar and spend 150 mil when i can get a domy and only have the pay 20mil after insurance.

IF these changes go thru hac will not be used in pvp at all because a single intercepter will kill them.

Well welcome to battleships and capitals online!!!


Dude seriously, I kill interceptors now already with my hac just fine, not webbed em either, scorch M loaded, tracking enhancer II, instant dead ceptors........

Dont believe me ?

Here: Ceptor 1
Here: Ceptor 2
Here: Ceptor 3

Omg I must be awesome ...... hmm


those ceptor pilots were probably afk

Dracorimus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.04 16:32:00 - [4028]
 

You are a strange fellow aren't you Rolling Eyes

These were all in combat you silly boy

Essque
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.08.04 17:06:00 - [4029]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dark Blood Small Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II

Ogre II x5

DPS: 634

Defense: 904

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.


After posting this setup I think you need say nothing more. Everything is clear now. I have no further questions.
Please, fit all your HACs like that. Not that it would matter how you fit them, but we usually love to see such 'unconventional' setups. On the killboard.
This one's even a bit better than the Vengeance with 4 tracking enhancers that we killed a couple of weeks ago.

Please, don't forget the faction mods.

Lee ChanKa
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:14:00 - [4030]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dark Blood Small Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II

Ogre II x5

DPS: 634

Defense: 904

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.


didnt wont 2 quote you because 2 many alredy did..but..I CANT REZIST AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

YES CCP please nerf for player like this one he make NPC ISHTAR/DRAKE for caching npc on belt

wher is warp d wher is mwd(or ab after patch) wher is web WHER IS WHER IS WHERRRRR DONT POST ANYMORE PLEASEE GO PLAY WITH RAVEN ON BELT

NOW!!!


Doctor Mabuse
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:20:00 - [4031]
 

Hmm, lets see...

Gallente recons - no longer useless
Assault frigates now have a role
Short range, small ship tactics now viable
Missile ships now have a greater pvp role
Many different combinations of mid slot mods are now viable instead of the boring mwd/point/web

All in all many different options and ship types now useful for pvp.

Downside?

Some Vaga and Ishtar pilots need to learn to fly differently

All these new options and you think its a nerf? Really? Confused

Red Thunder
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:25:00 - [4032]
 

downside : 50% of eves pvp has now been removed, and hacs are no longer worth flying. Also the entire minmatar race sucks now. Enough reasons for ya?

Doctor Mabuse
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:28:00 - [4033]
 

Edited by: Doctor Mabuse on 04/08/2008 19:29:13
Originally by: Red Thunder
downside : 50% of eves pvp has now been changed


Fixed.

Sometimes you just have to roll with the flow...



Red Thunder
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:35:00 - [4034]
 

Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Edited by: Doctor Mabuse on 04/08/2008 19:29:13
Originally by: Red Thunder
downside : 50% of eves pvp has now been changed


Fixed.

Sometimes you just have to roll with the flow...





erm no, removed. You can no longer speed tank a ship, so that tactic is dead. Instead if you still want to use a hac you must tank it and try to blob your target.

Abrynn
Minmatar
CCCP INC
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:35:00 - [4035]
 

its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so.... in any event i agree with you matari's are going to be ruined and almost all the HAC but like 3 are going to be ****e not to mention what this will do to minm invention so.... there is alot more to think about besides just PvP, industry will be effected as well.

I agree nano does need a change... but this is over doing it. Speed caps are the best way no super speeds if a ship can only go so fast / as for u noobs/carbears if you cant missle spam us cry about it and train like we did.Twisted Evil

Red Thunder
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:39:00 - [4036]
 

Originally by: Abrynn
its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so.... in any event i agree with you matari's are going to be ruined and almost all the HAC but like 3 are going to be ****e not to mention what this will do to minm invention so.... there is alot more to think about besides just PvP, industry will be effected as well.

I agree nano does need a change... but this is over doing it. Speed caps are the best way no super speeds if a ship can only go so fast / as for u noobs/carbears if you cant missle spam us cry about it and train like we did.Twisted Evil


Yup, i agree that caps are a much better option, so i did some thinking: check this out http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=838894&page=1

Doctor Mabuse
Posted - 2008.08.04 19:57:00 - [4037]
 

Originally by: Abrynn
its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so....


Yep, between my mains I can fly all four races HAC and recon. I can shield, armour and speed tank and use all the weapon systems and ECM. So I'm not really bothered what they nerf or boost because I'll just fly something else and fly in a different way. It's called adapting. When the next nerf hits I'll just change again.

So your right, I have no clue whatsoever...Rolling Eyes

Noelle Fay
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.08.04 20:04:00 - [4038]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dark Blood Small Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II

Ogre II x5

DPS: 634

Defense: 904

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.



quoting for hilarity.
GOGO LET'S KILL RATS!

Abrynn
Minmatar
CCCP INC
Posted - 2008.08.04 20:06:00 - [4039]
 

Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Abrynn
its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so....


Yep, between my mains I can fly all four races HAC and recon. I can shield, armour and speed tank and use all the weapon systems and ECM. So I'm not really bothered what they nerf or boost because I'll just fly something else and fly in a different way. It's called adapting. When the next nerf hits I'll just change again.

So your right, I have no clue whatsoever...Rolling Eyes



so anything t2 there exept the ships LOL
And i agree you little troll you have no clue so keep blabing. I have a caldari alt as well that this doesnt affect at all so who cares the point here is that this nerf is too big no ones saying that it doesnt need a nerf just saying this nerf effects too much. They are also making it a huge deal when it doesnt need to be its called a speed cap plain and simple bring everything in line due to its mass, this seems to be the best action

Red Thunder
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:46:00 - [4040]
 

Edited by: Red Thunder on 04/08/2008 21:45:55
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Abrynn
its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so....


Yep, between my mains I can fly all four races HAC and recon. I can shield, armour and speed tank and use all the weapon systems and ECM. So I'm not really bothered what they nerf or boost because I'll just fly something else and fly in a different way. It's called adapting. When the next nerf hits I'll just change again.

So your right, I have no clue whatsoever...Rolling Eyes


i agree with you there, you dont seem to know too much, with one of the main things being that SP dont effect how much of a noob you are at all. I know people with 7mil sp who would take on multiple hostiles in equal ships and still win, but i also know people with 40mil sp who, to put it simply, suck in every way possible. Im guessing your in that catagory until i get further proof

Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar
Black Horizon Ltd
Posted - 2008.08.04 22:13:00 - [4041]
 

all right .. more then 1 week ago, since the blog are relaest .. can we get a statmend form CCP?

what you plan to to now?
a huge amount of very good ideas are postet.

i want a statmant..pleace..

thanks

Synapse Archae
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.08.04 23:21:00 - [4042]
 

Edited by: Synapse Archae on 04/08/2008 23:21:36
Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen
all right .. more then 1 week ago, since the blog are relaest .. can we get a statmend form CCP?

what you plan to to now?
a huge amount of very good ideas are postet.

i want a statmant..pleace..

thanks


Typing this in English so we can maybe get a response:

Alright, its been more than a week since the dev blog was released, can we get a statement from CCP?

What do you plan to do now?
We have posted quite a few very good ideas, and some terrible, terrible ship fittings.

I want a statement, please.

Thanks.

Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.08.04 23:39:00 - [4043]
 

Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Hmm, lets see...

Gallente recons - no longer useless
Assault frigates now have a role
Short range, small ship tactics now viable
Missile ships now have a greater pvp role
Many different combinations of mid slot mods are now viable instead of the boring mwd/point/web

All in all many different options and ship types now useful for pvp.

Downside?

Some Vaga and Ishtar pilots need to learn to fly differently

All these new options and you think its a nerf? Really? Confused


/thread

the only ships they are really affected are the vaga and ishtar

R3DSKULL
Amarr
Fallen Angel's
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.08.04 23:59:00 - [4044]
 

Edited by: R3DSKULL on 05/08/2008 00:03:22
Originally by: Stab Wounds
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Hmm, lets see...

Gallente recons - no longer useless
Assault frigates now have a role
Short range, small ship tactics now viable
Missile ships now have a greater pvp role
Many different combinations of mid slot mods are now viable instead of the boring mwd/point/web

All in all many different options and ship types now useful for pvp.

Downside?

Some Vaga and Ishtar pilots need to learn to fly differently

All these new options and you think its a nerf? Really? Confused


/thread

the only ships they are really affected are the vaga and ishtar


Are those stab wounds in yer head?? Because you seem to be clueless.
lets not forgets hmm, rapiers/huginns, nano sacralige,nano zealot, nano curse, nano cerbs, basically any ship u can nano or mwd, Lets not forget u too can have a trackable cepter doing a whopping 5k fully nanoed.

And love yer blaster boats. For only 15bucks a month you too
can web them... oh wait that doesnt work either.Crying or Very sad your TS web slows enemy for 30%,,, But you can web farther!!!! Rolling Eyes Stab wounds you silly noob get in a drake and show us yer uber leet pvp skills. ugh

BetaRayBiff
Posted - 2008.08.05 02:23:00 - [4045]
 

It's incredibly disappointing that the three ships I currently own, and enjoy, are a Vaga, a Huginn, and a Sabre. I'm all for improving the player experience, but in my particular case, the proposed changes sound like quite the opposite effect.

FatalDeception
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2008.08.05 03:53:00 - [4046]
 

Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dark Blood Small Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II

Ogre II x5

DPS: 634

Defense: 904

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.


YOU'RE WINNAR

White Chasm
Caldari
Carebear Group of Bishkek
ROL.Citizens
Posted - 2008.08.05 05:35:00 - [4047]
 

ONOZ Rolling Eyes

EVE AM RUINED! Rolling Eyes

This is seriously the third time I've heard this reaction to proposed changes. All three times, I shrugged.

I'm sure it will be ok, maybe not right off the bat, but quit acting like this is the end of pvp in Eve, 'cuz I guarantee it isn't.

Kage Psychodin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.08.05 06:21:00 - [4048]
 

Originally by: Lee ChanKa
Originally by: Stab Wounds
[Ishtar, shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Dark Blood Small Nosferatu
[empty high slot]

Core Defence Field Purger II
Core Defence Field Purger II

Ogre II x5

DPS: 634

Defense: 904

Rolling Eyes

HACs look fine to me after speed nerf. you have to use unconventional pvp fits.


didnt wont 2 quote you because 2 many alredy did..but..I CANT REZIST AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

YES CCP please nerf for player like this one he make NPC ISHTAR/DRAKE for caching npc on belt

wher is warp d wher is mwd(or ab after patch) wher is web WHER IS WHER IS WHERRRRR DONT POST ANYMORE PLEASEE GO PLAY WITH RAVEN ON BELT

NOW!!!



You sir, indirectly hit the nail on the head. CCP wants interceptors, interdictors, recons,heavy interdictors and smaller to have their roles as primary tacklers like cheap disposable frigates. I think in all honesty, they didn't expect everyone to be able to omni role their ship (able to web and disrupt, tank via nano, and deal damage like the ishtar.) And so they're going to shred things down to requiring armor/shield tanks again for most setups that either lack some tank or pack their own tackle, but can't be right on top of their target, thus meaning you need a mix of ships. not just nano-HASes, but interceptors, heavy assault ships, Battleships, etc.

And you'd better believe they're gonna nerf stuff to their vision every time, sadly.

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.08.05 06:28:00 - [4049]
 

Nano's needed the nerf, EVE will improve because of it!


--------End of Thread-------

Xavieer Naidoo
Capax Infiniti
Posted - 2008.08.05 07:07:00 - [4050]
 

My 2 cents:
- Overal speed change - win
- Nerfing ludicrous speeds - win
- MWD reactivation cycle - loose
- MWD / web changes - loose

IMO the proposed changes are way too much and way too heavy. And dear CCP - nerfing 90% of Minmatar and Gallente ships is not a very good idea.Rolling Eyes

U want more blobs ? "Fix the lag first. Fix the lag first. Fix the lag first..." *the madman's scream slowly echoes away*


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