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CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.07.25 10:44:00 - [1]
 

For those of you who consider yourself to be Speedy Gonzales and enjoy travelling in Ludicrous speed this blog may come as a bit of a shock. There are ways to travel way too fast in EVE and Nozh has written a blog detailing why that is bad and what we'll do about it, read it all, and check the graphs, in Speed Rebalanced.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:48:00 - [2]
 

Glad to hear that this has been looked at.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:53:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Shadowsword on 25/07/2008 10:58:22
Quote:

Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for.
There should be a significant and meaningful difference in speed between the ship classes.
Speed should not permit a larger ship to perform the role that a smaller specialized ship was intended for.
Afterburners should be a viable module selection for PVP.
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.



CCP, my faith in you is restored.

Quote:

At the office we refer to this as “ludicrous speed”.



Everytime I hear that, I now think about a certain star wars parody, and I start laughing. Is this a reference to that movie?





Now if you could adress the dyspro/prom issue, too...

Lily Cole
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:54:00 - [4]
 

NOW we will see who whines loudest...

The TX
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:55:00 - [5]
 

I prefered the Chinese to English translated version in that thread that got locked. I didn't understand a word of that either, but it was funny.

Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:56:00 - [6]
 

CCP have effectively killed small gang/solo PvP in EVE if even half of these changes go though.

Glad to see the company that stands firm hasn't caved to uneducated whines yet again.

Space Flyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:56:00 - [7]
 

THANKS CCP for killing the only way that we all had to fight blobs outnumbered in this game... really THANKS!
Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:57:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 13:03:08
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 12:02:08
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 11:43:41
As I said in the thread about the translated version, this removes a blasterboat's ability to get in range (MWD deactivation) and stay in range (Web nerf).

They are further harmed by the fact that because they need the MWD and the MWD can be deactivated, because this compensates their target for the web nerf. A blasterboat which is locked down will be webbed and unable to MWD, making it very slow, while any target with an AB will be relatively free to move due to the less effective web.


I like the idea of reducing web effectiveness, and balancing speeds across the ship classes, that's a good idea. Don't kill blasterboats in the process though?

Having only encountered nano ships once or twice in game, I'd rather keep things the way they are than lose the only shiptype I'm properly skilled for.

This isn't so much a nano nerf as a <any ship which depends on speed in any way> nerf.


Crazy Idea: Let blasterboats be exempt from the warp scrambler effect, just as they are exempt from MWD cap reduction (with skills). They only ever use speed to fly toward the enemy anyway.

Stavros
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:57:00 - [9]
 

ABOUT TIME TOO! NERF THOSE NANOS!

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:57:00 - [10]
 

You nerfing my Snakes to 50% of their current effectiveness ?!!!!! ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

My left arm is tingling, I am having difficulty breathing, I see spots.....


Dear God Almighty what are you doing?!!!!!!!

Other than that... I will re-read....

Arcane Carnage
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:58:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Arcane Carnage on 25/07/2008 11:00:29
well its been a good few years but clearly someone at ccp has decided its time to call it.

yeah blastboats needed nerfing long live overpowered pulse geddons!

edit: hold on i can fly force recons... i am invincible!

Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:58:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Lt Angus on 25/07/2008 11:01:39
Sounds good overall, but feel it might nerf blaster ships more then speed ships
and tracking will become a whole lot more important, AB ships will be able avoid slow trackers, very intresting Cool

XxAngelxX
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 10:59:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: XxAngelxX on 25/07/2008 11:02:16
Thanks so much for this CCP!

I for one welcome our new 30man drake gang overlords.

Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:00:00 - [14]
 

warp disruptor shuts off mwd \o/

ccp finaly listening to reasin.

Groves111
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:01:00 - [15]
 

Uhh... What? Are we going to see a 50% reduction in other areas of game play? I mean without the ability to roam into enemy territory on my own and actually kill things, I'd like tanked ships to have a reduction as well. Other than that, good game guys, you have effectively killed solo and small gang pvp right there and are just promoting larger and larger gangs.

Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc.
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:01:00 - [16]
 

And so, CCP take one more step towards blob online.

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:02:00 - [17]
 

Then you need to actually boost ABs, and I mean boost them. Seriously, make them more viable in PVP then they are now. Even a 30% boost will probably soften the blow and will not cause such disparity as it will become.

CCP Nozh


C C P
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Lt Angus
Sounds good overall, but feel it might nerf blaster ships more then speed ships


On the other hand, if you fit a warp scrambler and stasis webifier, the overall speed reduction is much greater than 90%. That is, if your target is using a MWD not an afterburner.

But this is something we'll be keeping a close eye on.



Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:03:00 - [19]
 

Let's nerf damage, resistance, and totalHP by 50% too, **** yeah.

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CCP Nozh
Originally by: Lt Angus
Sounds good overall, but feel it might nerf blaster ships more then speed ships


On the other hand, if you fit a warp scrambler and stasis webifier, the overall speed reduction is much greater than 90%. That is, if your target is using a MWD not an afterburner.



Because getting into range isn't a problem at all.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:04:00 - [21]
 

O H M Y G O D.

Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:04:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lt Angus on 25/07/2008 11:08:48

Originally by: CCP Nozh
Originally by: Lt Angus
Sounds good overall, but feel it might nerf blaster ships more then speed ships


On the other hand, if you fit a warp scrambler and stasis webifier, the overall speed reduction is much greater than 90%. That is, if your target is using a MWD not an afterburner.

But this is something we'll be keeping a close eye on.




Yea just wondering how well a blaster ship will track an AB ship with 50% web
might end up being the long awaited tempest boost Wink
and can minmatar recons get a web strenth bonus to replace painter bonus

CCP Nozh


C C P
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:06:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: CCP Nozh on 25/07/2008 11:10:46
Originally by: Stab Wounds
warp disruptor shuts off mwd \o/

ccp finaly listening to reasin.



Actually it's only the "Warp Scramblers" which have also been adjusted to range from 7.5km to 15km max (officer)

Warp Disruptors will remain the same.



Lily Cole
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:07:00 - [24]
 

Phobos price set to rise...

AB, mwd, short scram, injector.
Long scram in high.

mmmmm...lovely. Every other gank blaster... well... ab for your mwd and a lot of praying.
I don't see a nano nerf. How am I going to get a vagabond inside 7.5km? I can't even get it into web range.

No nerf here.

Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:08:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Wil Smithx on 25/07/2008 11:08:58
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 10:58:59
As I said in the thread about the translated version, this removes a blasterboats ability to get in range (MWD deactivation) and stay in range (Web nerf).

I like the idea of reducing web effectiveness, and balancing speeds across the ship classes, that's a good idea. Don't kill blasterboats in the process though?


The blasterboat is already dead, this is just another nail in the coffin.

Theres not any reason to use blasters if you can use torps or lasers now. Even projectiles get to hit at 20km... Blasters need a damage increase imo

Zaskarr
Amarr
DOOMSDAY.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:08:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Zaskarr on 25/07/2008 11:10:47
In before nano*** QQ. Ah, too late..
CCP, don't get discouraged by all the whining you'll read here.
These changes are needed, no matter what a vocal minority shouts.
Protip to all: first read the blog, THEN poast!

Benedic
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:11:00 - [27]
 

Killing eve one nerf at at time.

Enjoy your blobs.

Smilla Snow
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:11:00 - [28]
 

Sound nice and i agree that it need some rework.

Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:12:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Lt Angus on 25/07/2008 11:12:17
Originally by: Zaskarr
In before nano*** QQ. Ah, too late..
CCP, don't get discouraged by all the whining you'll read here.
These changes are needed, no matter what a vocal minority shout here.
Protip to all: first read the blog, THEN poast!


not sure why nano users would cry, sure they going slower but the change looks to make speed fits a proper ship fit with 50% webs, vagabond seems untouched by the changes

Phrixus Zephyr
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2008.07.25 11:12:00 - [30]
 

So this is basically a titan cynoing Arazu alt buff?


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