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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.19 01:33:00 - [1]
 


To put it mildly, I'm incredibly lazy.
So lazy I don't actually care about gaining ISK much, but for some strange reason like to teach people.
You know what they say... those who can do, do it... those who can't, teach Twisted Evil

To explain the grandeur of my lazyness... I can't be bothered to properly and continuously (i.e. even once a day) watch the market prices and ongoing orders properly even in one region, let alone across several regions, and I really don't want to bother with courier contracts or marketing alts either.
So, I'm looking for "apprentices", which would (at best) be given some small amount of seed money, but would be guaranteed to receive as much advice as humanly possible.

The only make-or-break condition for appliants is that they should have an IQ close to the top 5% of the general population.
Fundamantals you are expected to comprehend (at least partially) : profit margins after appliable taxes, ROI, recycling yields, profit per time spent doing something other than learning.
The second condition to applicants is that they must join my corp - either themselves, or with an alt specifically created for trade (ask me what to pick if you don't know).
Pessimism is an advantage. So is a higher RL age or a technical university degree.
Actual EVE or RL experience in any similar field is irrelevant.
Marketing/management/similar RL studies are a disadvantage.

Any takers - either respond in this thread (with any questions) OR eve-mail me.

Kvander Godalming
Posted - 2008.07.19 02:09:00 - [2]
 

I'll bite. Been thinking about making a trade alt but I have a hard time getting started with new things. My primary's wealthy enough that I probably wouldn't require any seed money, or could get it with a few days' worth of work.

(Last tested, IQ was 137 - just shy of 95th percentile. Can you take me anyway? Laughing RL age is 23, but have an AA in general studies and am inching my way towards a BA in experimental psychology.)

I'll hit you up IG some time in the next day or two if that's OK with you. I work weekends but am available nights and any other time during the week.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.19 02:36:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2008 02:38:56
Psychology ? Interesting choice.
Not technical, but still better as "bussiness" or similar IMO.

Also... 135 top 95 percentile only ?
Must be the one of those creepy SD=24 tests... (for the reference, 95% or above SD=15 tests IQ is about 125, and SD=16 is about 127).
Well, anyway, it's good enough, I'd say Wink

Patience will be the first thing I'll teach anyway Wink
If you can't wait one week or even longer for a shift in trends or somesuch (and be able to predict them after some training), there's no point even trying Twisted Evil
Translation : I *might* be away for the end of the weeknd, but it's not certain.
That's one of the reasons I prefer to (also) have replies in the thread.

There's no set number of apprentices I'll be taking, but I'd prefer something in the range of 2 minimum to 5 maximum... depending on who shows interest.
Just one, no competition, not fun... more than 4-5, and I can't give them enough attention.
I will focus mainly on the CONCEPTS of why prices fluctuate in EVE (how, why, how fast), that's why I prefer people with higher IQ (so I don't have too explain TOO much) and the focus will be on cooperation and learning WHILE also having a small degree of (practical/applied) competiton between applicants.


P.S. Please also mention your local time : GMT+? and "online hours" (for convos)
I'm GMT+2 (GMT+3 summer time), but I'm mainly active in EVE late evenings and way past midnight local time.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.19 03:14:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2008 21:08:46


Hmm, I guess some extra pieces of info are in order, as I was already approached by 3 people (1 forum, 2 ingame) about this... impressive reaction for 15 minutes, I must say, good job.

CLARIFICATIONS

1. I don't care *all* that much about the IQ score... top 95 percentile, top 93, IQ 120, IQ 140, whatever... the idea is that I don't want to deal with "average" people I have to explain and re-explain the ground concepts. On the fine print, debate is always in order, but once I explain the basics properly, I don't want people that will be asking me to explain why things are the way I said they are, I want them to grasp the basic concept and just ask about details or approaches.
If you are CURIOUS about your own IQ, you may try THIS one for starters (SD slightly below 15 at the moment - late-edit : of course, just about any IQ test you can find on the net is HIGHLY inadequate).
I will make my own judgements anyway pending discussions with you anyway.

2. This here is a "general interest" thread, which will run for a good while. After enough people are interested, I will convene a series of semi-public, semi-private interviews with the interested group and each individual separately to select a few people. Make sure you show interest so you will get considered.

3. You DO NOT NEED to create an alt "now". Actually, if you were thinking of doing just that now, don't.
You do not need to apply to my corp now either. You can apply now if you want to join, but that's a completely different issue, and not for this place to discuss.
When you are selected, details on alt creation (if any) and joining will be perfected, but only after you get selected. The selection process will last at least a week, if not more. It will take as long as it takes.

4. You will have almost complete autonomy over your orders, area of operation (as long as it's NOT Minmatar/Gallente highsec, everything else is ok) and finances. I will never ask for ISK from you, worst case scenario only on ISK back in case I loaned you any "seed money".
Ideally, you shouldn't even need that, but I'm not that much of a purse-pincher in case you show promise but have no funds available. I just want to eliminate beggars and scammers and only select people who are genuinely interested in learning the fine art of speculative/predictive market trading.

5. IT DOES NOT MATTER how active or how experienced in EVE you were so far.
Even if you are reading this thread for some obscure reason (somebody left the page open on a public terminal or other such highly improbable circumstance), feel free to register an EVE trial account and contact me ingame via evemail (you can't post in here with a trial), it's still ok, IF you think you fulfill the conditions described above.

6. Again, age and schooling are just PREFERENCES. IQ score from IQ tests, highly circumstantial. If you show you are unable of comprehending reading materials and answering questions, you're out. If you do, even if you do not fulfill th rest of the conditions, you're in. It's all about not getting your hopes up needlessly and wasting my time. But if you're brave enough, and lucky enough, you might just make it anyway.

7. Timezone just makes live-chat gatherings/interviews easier to schedule. I don't really care if you're from the timezone... ideally, I'd actually have people spread across timezones cooperating for maximal effectiveness.

8. I'd really, really prefer you to post in this thread instead of eve-mailing me. I check the forum more ofthen than my ingame evemail. Feel free to use any alts if you like, I care about the person more than about any mains/alts you may have.

Any further question, feel free to ask in here.
P.S. The "official unofficial" corp channel has the same name as my corp ticker : " CNVTF ".
If I'm online, I'm there (me or any of my alts). Easier than private convos.

VelvetyPanda
Posted - 2008.07.19 03:15:00 - [5]
 

Well you asked me to post in the forums, so I am :).

my GMT time is GMT+6, and i am usually on from 20:00-2:00 eve time, week nights, and varies on the weekends.

Tranzen
Posted - 2008.07.19 03:46:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Tranzen on 19/07/2008 03:47:06
Posting for perked interest.

Timezone : GMT -7 /Mountain - Time-on : Always online Rolling Eyes

I'm quite positive I satisfy the requirements. If there are any specific questions regarding test scores, degrees, age, etc... Feel free to inquire, though I'll leave that all to the imagination for now since it isn't specifics you're looking for.

Don't have any further questions at this time, though I'll post again if any come to mind.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.19 03:49:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 19/07/2008 04:03:08

Like I said in the previous post edit... the main reason is to gather interested parties that are willing and able to learn what I can teach Wink
And, of course, select a few who I end up considering worthy of my attention.

I'm looking for as many interested parties as possible, out of which I will select from 2 to 5, but preferably 3 or 4 people to teach further.
Thinking about one to two weeks to gather participants, two to four weeks to give out basic learning materials and conduct both theoretical and practical tests (ranging from small-scale market manipulation to average-term prediction accuracy) to select apprentices from candidate pool or thereabouts (longer or shorter depening on availability and interested party count).

Reading materials and prediction tests will be provided publically, practical tasks will be handled privately before, publically after completion.
After selection, the ones selected are expected to act as a TEAM (guided, not lead by me), not as mere individuals, even if they have significant autonomy.

IceWarriors
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2008.07.19 04:35:00 - [8]
 

Way to take wind out of the sails of the other possible IPO, your going to gobble up all the "smart" new traders.

Also, I wouldnt want a teacher that says, "To put it mildly, I'm incredibly lazy."

GL

illillillill
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.19 04:53:00 - [9]
 

I am interested. Im pretty confident I meet those requirements. Also I wouldn't require any seed money as I have enough to start off now, with about 19 sell orders active atm. Still of course trying to learn the basics. I live in the PST (GMT-7) timezone.

Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
Posted - 2008.07.19 05:25:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: illillillill
I am interested. Im pretty confident I meet those requirements. Also I wouldn't require any seed money as I have enough to start off now, with about 19 sell orders active atm. Still of course trying to learn the basics. I live in the PST (GMT-7) timezone.


Hey, I am gonna call this one =P
J/K haha.
Akita, mind if you tech me an illillillill? We both went to the same school and we are very smart.

Like Ill, I have plenty of isk to start

Oftherocks
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
Posted - 2008.07.19 05:36:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Oftherocks on 19/07/2008 23:21:40
Just to let you all know, Akita isn't nearly as lazy as he thinks he isVery Happy

Seriously, if you are looking for a great teacher you can't go wrong with Akita; he is smart, patient, and very experienced. This is a fantastic opportunity for those who want to learn not just to trade, but to actually understand the way the Eve market works.

Ambo
I've Got Nothing
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:21:00 - [12]
 

Damn you Akita! Stealing my idea! Very Happy

I'm curious about how you're going to confirm things like IQ, RL age, university degrees, etc though. What's to stop someone just pretending?

Being a little bored I also took the IQ test you linked - 142. That one likes me Smile. In the past I've had scores anywhere from mid 90's to around 160 though so I don't really put much store in them.

Tranzen
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:30:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tranzen on 19/07/2008 07:30:23
Originally by: Ambo
Damn you Akita! Stealing my idea! Very Happy

I'm curious about how you're going to confirm things like IQ, RL age, university degrees, etc though. What's to stop someone just pretending?

Being a little bored I also took the IQ test you linked - 142. That one likes me Smile. In the past I've had scores anywhere from mid 90's to around 160 though so I don't really put much store in them.


Originally by: Akita T

CLARIFICATIONS

1. I don't care *all* that much about the IQ score... top 95 percentile, top 93, IQ 120, IQ 140, whatever... the idea is that I don't want to deal with "average" people I have to explain and re-explain the ground concepts. On the fine print, debate is always in order, but once I explain the basics properly, I don't want people that will be asking me to explain why things are the way I said they are, I want them to grasp the basic concept and just ask about details or approaches.
If you are CURIOUS about your own IQ, you may try THIS one for starters (SD slightly below 15 at the moment).
I will make my own judgements anyway pending discussions with you anyway.


Ambo
I've Got Nothing
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:39:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tranzen
Edited by: Tranzen on 19/07/2008 07:30:23
Originally by: Ambo
Damn you Akita! Stealing my idea! Very Happy

I'm curious about how you're going to confirm things like IQ, RL age, university degrees, etc though. What's to stop someone just pretending?

Being a little bored I also took the IQ test you linked - 142. That one likes me Smile. In the past I've had scores anywhere from mid 90's to around 160 though so I don't really put much store in them.


Originally by: Akita T

CLARIFICATIONS

1. I don't care *all* that much about the IQ score... top 95 percentile, top 93, IQ 120, IQ 140, whatever... the idea is that I don't want to deal with "average" people I have to explain and re-explain the ground concepts. On the fine print, debate is always in order, but once I explain the basics properly, I don't want people that will be asking me to explain why things are the way I said they are, I want them to grasp the basic concept and just ask about details or approaches.
If you are CURIOUS about your own IQ, you may try THIS one for starters (SD slightly below 15 at the moment).
I will make my own judgements anyway pending discussions with you anyway.




Thanks but I did manage to read it the first time. I was not criticising, simply making an observation.

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:39:00 - [15]
 

Some interesting filtering processes.

For potential employees who have straight A's in a university degree is usually an automatic exclusion. I need competent and practical employees.

I don't believe in IQ tests either. So I'm very interested to see how this works. Please give regular updates on progress Smile

Barrien Truespike
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:41:00 - [16]
 

Eh, why not, I got an alt that's my basic trader, always looking to learn

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:41:00 - [17]
 

Just how many high IQ individuals can't figure out things by themselves?
Oh well...

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: YouGotRipped
Just how many high IQ individuals can't figure out things by themselves?
Oh well...

More than you can imagine. We had one architect working for us that took about 6 weeks to draw the layout of simple toilet block. Imagine if we gave him something sophisticated to work on.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:47:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 19/07/2008 07:50:39

Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Just how many high IQ individuals can't figure out things by themselves?
Oh well...

More than you can imagine. We had one architect working for us that took about 6 weeks to draw the layout of simple toilet block. Imagine if we gave him something sophisticated to work on.


Types of intelligence

Vuxacha
VTECHS
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:54:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Vuxacha on 19/07/2008 08:00:14
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 19/07/2008 07:50:39

Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Just how many high IQ individuals can't figure out things by themselves?
Oh well...

More than you can imagine. We had one architect working for us that took about 6 weeks to draw the layout of simple toilet block. Imagine if we gave him something sophisticated to work on.


Types of intelligence


Damn..wonder if Im int****rsonal..or just lack intelligence.
Ambo, you'll take the mouthbreathers wont you?
Gonna apply anyway.

EDIT: haha, intra-personal.

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.07.19 07:56:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Professor Leech on 19/07/2008 07:56:25
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 19/07/2008 07:50:39

Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Just how many high IQ individuals can't figure out things by themselves?
Oh well...

More than you can imagine. We had one architect working for us that took about 6 weeks to draw the layout of simple toilet block. Imagine if we gave him something sophisticated to work on.


Types of intelligence

Yeah I realise. I could ramble on endless on my opinions of intelligence, learning styles and unfortunate bias in the education systems around the world. So I won't.

I just wish the education system would create self-motivated people capable of running their own business instead of clonal factory employees, but what would I know. Smile

Pechocha
Posted - 2008.07.19 09:58:00 - [22]
 

Well.... Im posting here. As i said you on the in-game mail, you can check my 7 last days experience on a thread a created a few days ago.
Besides that, you can pretty much find me UTC +0 / UTC +3.
I'll give 1 more chance before to move on.

Regards

Pechocha.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.07.19 10:12:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/07/2008 10:33:11
Teach me me me!

I have an IQ of 95(Ok, I actually have no idea at all) , too young to buy beer in the states(*sigh*), I'm a high-school student with high-level math, physics and economics, which I will be writing an extended essay in.

It's my intention to become a Ph.d in Computer science once I get out of high-school.

And I'm a muppet too. Pick me!

Ok, to be serious: I'm interested in seeing how this turn out. I have been playing with the thought of doing this whole teaching thing(You are right, those who can do it, do it. Those who can't teach), but oh well.

Isk Ho
Stupid Spoiled Ho
EVE Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.07.19 10:31:00 - [24]
 

Mark me down as interested, its always worth having more strings to your bow. I'm currently a "competent" trader I would say, but knowledge is power and its too easy to get blinkered into one particular technique or specialization in this game. Maybe your group would also make a good anti-burnout excercise for people like me, or maybe allow me to step up to the next level tradewise.

According to the IQTest.com result I get 142, however I am an ex-member of Mensa with a tested IQ of 176 (I left, too many social inadequates lol). I am also a university dropout (Physics and Astronomy BSc).

I live in the UK, so currently GMT+1 with return to GMT in the autumn.

The only stipulation I have is that my current bond is not affected, I value my investors too highly to risk losing all their money.


Mining Bunnz
Equatorial Industires
Posted - 2008.07.19 10:39:00 - [25]
 

Ya know what akita, if you are willing to teach, I'm *always* happy to learn. Mark me down as very interested. :)

Hopey
Gallente
PLG Enterprises
Posted - 2008.07.19 16:24:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Hopey on 19/07/2008 16:27:39


definitely interested!

GMT+7/MST, but i work from home and so i'm on and off all day/night

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.19 17:35:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: YouGotRipped
Just how many high IQ individuals can't figure out things by themselves?

That's why the thread title says "NEWBIE" apprentices.
It's not so much about learning the stuff, it's about learning it FAST and without having to make (too many of) your own mistakes in the process.
Wink

Originally by: Oftherocks
Just to let you all know, Akita isn't nearly as lazy as he thinks he isVery Happy

Well, it's a special brand of lazyness... more like, I don't do anything unless I find it challenging/interesting, and as soon as it becomes a chore (too repetitive, not much thinking required anymore), I prefer to drop it.

razboinicul
Posted - 2008.07.19 17:42:00 - [28]
 

Alright Akita, count me in. Just send a notice when and where.

Dragonz Fire
XVA
Shugosha
Posted - 2008.07.19 18:00:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Dragonz Fire on 19/07/2008 18:24:55
Hi Akita,

I am excited that you are offering this! I am extremely interested in becoming your apprentice.

I am a financial economics major from the University of Rochester. I am currently going to the Simon School of Business ranked one of the top ten business schools in the world. I believe in staying ahead of the learning curve.

I love reading, I love learning, and I love giving back. I am always open to constructive criticism to help improve any task I try and accomplish. I am a good listener, and try and absorb as much as information as I can from more experienced people than I. I enjoy challenges, and I believe that I am qualified to become your apprentice. I understand that the opportunity cost of spending time with me takes away your time of analyzing the eve market.

There is nothing free in this world, that I understand. And therefore I am not looking for an easy way to make lots of money by mooching off of you. I guarantee that I will bring much value to the table and that every minute you spend with me will be as beneficial to you as well.

I am -4 GMT.

Thank you,
Dragonz

Salisuka
Caldari
98.4
Posted - 2008.07.19 18:19:00 - [30]
 

I'd be interested as well akita. I do minor trading right now, still trying to get the hang of it. I'm a programmer by profession (CS degree) so I don't know a 'lot' about the financial terms but I have decent knowledge of the basics (wikipedia is my best friend). Capital won't be a problem upto a limit because I have a bit of isk saved up.

If you need anymore info from me, please let me know. I'm +0530 GMT btw.


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